Terriers Barking, But Can Bolton Bite Back? - Bolton v Hudderfield - 14/09/2024 @ 3pm

[BWFC_Insane]

On Markham…what player are we looking forward to watching? Where is someone who gets you on the edge of your seat? Where is the pace? The ability to beat a man?

Someone tell me how they can say our recruitment has been good? McAtee the marque signing and I never rated him and looks lost here. Schon - lot of money spent on him and he’s absolutely woeful.

Where are all these good players? Where are the exciting direct players who make you want to watch?

Either Evatt has said we want a team of one paced dullards or Markham has to take some blame.

[officer_dibble]

The criticism of Markham has to be his spreadsheet has no column for ‘character’ and ‘leadership’. Bunch of fanny job bottlers who if we don’t score first don’t have the cajones to drag themselves back into a game.

A change in manager might change our fortunes but to get out of this league we need a leader or two.

[jmjhb]

"The minute we lost that final at Wembley I've just felt in and out of the club a huge negative energy. Like always, I'll get the blame and I'll take the responsibility."

Given how good the bond between the fans and players were in the playoffs, it's impressive to lose all that in 4 months. Maybe just over a month in actual football terms.

[HMX]

Iles reporting Evatt as saying he'll be seeking "conversations" with the ownership.

He really is a prick. You just have a meeting and get on with it. It's like one of them I'm leaving Facebook posts and then they're back 2 days later

Genuinely lol’d.

[officer_dibble]

feck me listen to his interview with Derek. I can’t link it for some reason - @boltonfmsport.

He’s blaming the negativity round the club since Wembley, says it not his team and not reflective of him as a manager… he has fecking checked out and is already defending ‘brand Evatt’. what a wanker!!!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Re Markham: I see the bloodlust has begun. I understand the upset but I see no need for it.

Next move is ruthlessly simple: Boot the manager, get another guy in, see how it goes.

Markham has identified and signed some good players, plenty good enough to get us in the top two. That they aren't is, to my mind, much more down to management than transfer selection.

In hindsight, we may well have signed the wrong players this summer. But I doubt Markham imposed them upon Evatt. This isn't Tobias Phoenix working with a head coach; this is a capital-m Manager asking his recruitment team for certain Types. That the experiment has failed is not the fault of the gofer.

Put another way: if I try to spice up my home-made curry by adding washing-up liquid, I can't blame the son who nipped to Tesco and bought me the Fairy.

[DJBlu]

I've assumed by "conversations" Evatt means he realises it's the end rather than anything else.

I don't particularly like Evatt as a personality and have been in favour of a change for a long time but I can't be critical of him for realising the time has come to leave (if that is indeed his intended meaning).

He's mentioning the negativity since Wembley and I think he's realised he can't sort it out. When it gets like Megson you're fecked.

Good luck to the next man, he's going to need it.

[BWFC_Insane]

Re Markham: I see the bloodlust has begun. I understand the upset but I see no need for it.

Next move is ruthlessly simple: Boot the manager, get another guy in, see how it goes.

Markham has identified and signed some good players, plenty good enough to get us in the top two. That they aren't is, to my mind, much more down to management than transfer selection.

In hindsight, we may well have signed the wrong players this summer. But I doubt Markham imposed them upon Evatt. This isn't Tobias Phoenix working with a head coach; this is a capital-m Manager asking his recruitment team for certain Types. That the experiment has failed is not the fault of the gofer.

Put another way: if I try to spice up my home-made curry by adding washing-up liquid, I can't blame the son who nipped to Tesco and bought me the Fairy.

I think we need to understand who is recommending these players. Who said, for example Schon is what we need? If it’s Evatt then fair enough but if Markham said he’s a good wing back for us then I’d question what judgement he has….

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Good luck to the next man, he's going to need it.

I think it's a job loads of people will want.

• A squad with some good players for the division.
• One that was already third-best last season and added more quality over summer.
• 20k+ attendances for three successive home games.
• A big club for the division, however you define that.
• Headroom to grow.
• Decent board.

I think we'll have a queue round the block – and with a good start, we might take some stopping.

[GhostoftheBok]

He really is a prick.

He's always been a prick. He was a prick when we appointed him.

He was previously a prick doing a good job. Now he's a prick who has sacked himself.

Doesn't mean he will actually go, though.

[officer_dibble]

Next man just has to come in, get a basic 433 settled and get us through to January. They will need to do some dealing - id wager an internet tenner that Charles will go to fund it.

I’m not having a pop at Markham per se - he’s found what he’s been asked to find. We lack leadership though. Needs sorting.

[BWFC_Insane]

Agree that this is an absolutely cracking job for someone. Cracking job.

Lots of ‘Big Sam’ till end of the season stuff on social media and I’d not be totally opposed to that. I think any manager who won’t tolerate the nonsense these players produce and will tell them in no uncertain terms that there are basics of effort, fight and physical work required that are non negotiables, bare minimums I would take.

The players are not bothered and making a mockery out of us and the next manager has to be a really strong and dominant character who won’t take any nonsense.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I think we need to understand who is recommending these players. Who said, for example Schon is what we need? If it’s Evatt then fair enough but if Markham said he’s a good wing back for us then I’d question what judgement he has….

By (I assume) all reports, this season has been shit across the board. So rather than salting the earth and pissing in the roses, let's see if Schon's any good for the next bloke.

If you want to, you can also sack Sharon for not acting in summer, sack the board for allowing the money to be spent, sack the entire coaching staff, sack the front-desk bloke for not making newcomers more welcome.... you can set fire to the entire operation. But Occam's Razor suggests the simplest solution is the likeliest. Change the manager, see if it moves the dial.

[BWFC_Insane]

He really is a prick.

He's always been a prick. He was a prick when we appointed him.

He was previously a prick doing a good job. Now he's a prick who has sacked himself.

Doesn't mean he will actually go, though.

The trouble is he had the ego of a top manager when he’d done nothing in the game. This is the modern way. Have a good season and suddenly think you are destined to be the next Pep Guardiola. Managers need 5 or6 jobs in different circumstances and to do well in most before they can really be classed as good managers or do something remarkable at a couple of clubs…promotion through three or four leagues or something.

He was talking like he had made it. The difference between Evatt and top managers is they realise they have to do the business when it matters to make it. Evatt has never realised that he’s basically no different to any rookie lower league manager except he got lucky and landed a massive club with deep pockets.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think we need to understand who is recommending these players. Who said, for example Schon is what we need? If it’s Evatt then fair enough but if Markham said he’s a good wing back for us then I’d question what judgement he has….

By (I assume) all reports, this season has been shit across the board. So rather than salting the earth and pissing in the roses, let's see if Schon's any good for the next bloke.

If you want to, you can also sack Sharon for not acting in summer, sack the board for allowing the money to be spent, sack the entire coaching staff, sack the front-desk bloke for not making newcomers more welcome.... you can set fire to the entire operation. But Occam's Razor suggests the simplest solution is the likeliest. Change the manager, see if it moves the dial.

That’s fine and I agree it’s the first step and see what judgement the new man has on it all.

But they need to be a manager who takes control of it not a ‘coach’ who relies on the judgement of others….imho.

[GhostoftheBok]

Any League One club in our position would take Sam as manager, regardless of any other considerations.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Agree that this is an absolutely cracking job for someone. Cracking job.

Lots of ‘Big Sam’ till end of the season stuff on social media and I’d not be totally opposed to that. I think any manager who won’t tolerate the nonsense these players produce and will tell them in no uncertain terms that there are basics of effort, fight and physical work required that are non negotiables, bare minimums I would take.

The players are not bothered and making a mockery out of us and the next manager has to be a really strong and dominant character who won’t take any nonsense.

Sam was last seen spluttering about how he hates precisely the kind of football these players have been brought in to play.

You can hire Sam if you like, but it would be financially ruinous - we'd be flogging players we spent big money on for buttons.

The 87 points we got last season suggest we do not need to blow up the planet. We just need a better coach/manager to work with what we have.

[GhostoftheBok]

I think we need to understand who is recommending these players. Who said, for example Schon is what we need? If it’s Evatt then fair enough but if Markham said he’s a good wing back for us then I’d question what judgement he has….

By (I assume) all reports, this season has been shit across the board. So rather than salting the earth and pissing in the roses, let's see if Schon's any good for the next bloke.

If you want to, you can also sack Sharon for not acting in summer, sack the board for allowing the money to be spent, sack the entire coaching staff, sack the front-desk bloke for not making newcomers more welcome.... you can set fire to the entire operation. But Occam's Razor suggests the simplest solution is the likeliest. Change the manager, see if it moves the dial.

Evatt will go to to Markham and ask him for certain types of player, with certain abilities. It's Markham's job to find options for the manager, not to tell Evatt how his system works.

[DJBlu]

Any League One club in our position would take Sam as manager, regardless of any other considerations.

With Kevin Nolan as his assistant. That might keep the twitterati quiet until the next blip.

[BWFC_Insane]

Agree that this is an absolutely cracking job for someone. Cracking job.

Lots of ‘Big Sam’ till end of the season stuff on social media and I’d not be totally opposed to that. I think any manager who won’t tolerate the nonsense these players produce and will tell them in no uncertain terms that there are basics of effort, fight and physical work required that are non negotiables, bare minimums I would take.

The players are not bothered and making a mockery out of us and the next manager has to be a really strong and dominant character who won’t take any nonsense.

Sam was last seen spluttering about how he hates precisely the kind of football these players have been brought in to play.

You can hire Sam if you like, but it would be financially ruinous - we'd be flogging players we spent big money on for buttons.

The 87 points we got last season suggest we do not need to blow up the planet. We just need a better coach/manager to work with what we have.

The players aren’t capable of playing the football - I’m not even sure anyone knows what the football they are trying to play is.

I absolutely think we need to find a manager who will simplify it, extract the best out of what we’ve got and get them fighting.

For me it would be a mistake to think we are going to carry on as we are. This is a tough old league. We need to be much tougher.