The ianevattable sacking

[Bertie Wooster]

Like I said, it didn't feel like there had been a major change yesterday.

If he's staying then it becomes about how he turns it around.

He's lucky to survive that performance. I'll look forward to vast improvement on Saturday.

I honestly don't get it, if he didn't have answers and didn't know how to change things on Saturday at 5.30pm - what's changed by Monday morning to suddenly provide him with answers. Same with all the personal negativity and huge negative energy - what's suddenly changed, if anything its now far worse.

It's almost like he runs the club, he can literally do & say what he wants without any reprimand or admonishment by SB and the owners - feck the fans as long as Ian's ok and doesn't feel put out appears to be the owners focus.

[GhostoftheBok]

I honestly don't get it, if he didn't have answers and didn't know how to change things on Saturday at 5.30pm - what's changed by Monday morning to suddenly provide him with answers. Same with all the personal negativity and huge negative energy - what's suddenly changed, if anything its now far worse.

It's almost like he runs the club, he can literally do & say what he wants without any reprimand or admonishment by SB and the owners - feck the fans as long as Ian's ok and doesn't feel put out appears to be the owners focus.

I don't know, to be honest.

I'd have sacked him when he said he had no answers after that performance, but if he's staying on then that's that.

The structure around him then has to change. Management isn't a one-man-band and there are analysts and technical staff out there who absolutely can fix what's going on. The analysts' room is right next to the dressing room and what goes on in there really does matter.

If they are shaking up the staff then they have to get that right and Evatt has to be willing to listen to a genuine tactical expert.

[BWFC_Insane]

I honestly don't get it, if he didn't have answers and didn't know how to change things on Saturday at 5.30pm - what's changed by Monday morning to suddenly provide him with answers. Same with all the personal negativity and huge negative energy - what's suddenly changed, if anything its now far worse.

It's almost like he runs the club, he can literally do & say what he wants without any reprimand or admonishment by SB and the owners - feck the fans as long as Ian's ok and doesn't feel put out appears to be the owners focus.

I don't know, to be honest.

I'd have sacked him when he said he had no answers after that performance, but if he's staying on then that's that.

The structure around him then has to change. Management isn't a one-man-band and there are analysts and technical staff out there who absolutely can fix what's going on. The analysts' room is right next to the dressing room and what goes on in there really does matter.

If they are shaking up the staff then they have to get that right and Evatt has to be willing to listen to a genuine tactical expert.

Evatt has let his staff take the can for his failings.

In short it’s detestable.

Until he goes nothing good is happening at this club.

Simple as that and a few wins or back room reshuffles won’t fix it.

[Worthy4England]

One thing that's changed is the opposition. I haven't changed my view of anything in terms of I want shut too. But really, that last para is give your head a shake, mate. [EDIT: Bertie] You really want a manager controlled by the Chairman? I can just see Edwards telling Ferguson what his script is...

I disagree with Ghost's view around that, being that as far as the fanbase is concerned, even if the Club think it is. Wouldn't that be just too convenient...

[GhostoftheBok]

Evatt has let his staff take the can for his failings.

In short it’s detestable.

Until he goes nothing good is happening at this club.

Simple as that and a few wins or back room reshuffles won’t fix it.

That's fine, but he's not going; so they need to walk the narrow path available.

I only care about what's going on. I'd have sacked him on Saturday night, but it's not my call. The issue for the club is now how to get Evatt's team winning games and that means a much better analyst in there with a stronger voice.

If Evatt doesn't have answers his staff need to provide them. There are issues around the tactics and the atmosphere, so they need to appoint staff who positively impact both.

I think it's a low percentage shot, but it's the one we're going with and therefore we have to give it a chance of working.

[BWFC_Insane]

Evatt has let his staff take the can for his failings.

In short it’s detestable.

Until he goes nothing good is happening at this club.

Simple as that and a few wins or back room reshuffles won’t fix it.

That's fine, but he's not going; so they need to walk the narrow path available.

I only care about what's going on. I'd have sacked him on Saturday night, but it's not my call. The issue for the club is now how to get Evatt's team winning games and that means a much better analyst in there with a stronger voice.

If Evatt doesn't have answers his staff need to provide them. There are issues around the tactics and the atmosphere, so they need to appoint staff who positively impact both.

I think it's a low percentage shot, but it's the one we're going with and therefore we have to give it a chance of working.

The fans imho need to force the hands of decision makers.

It’s the same place we were in with Coyle. Gartside didn’t want to sack him even though he should have. The failure to do so cost us everything.

Can’t be allowed to happen again.

[Bertie Wooster]

If they are shaking up the staff then they have to get that right and Evatt has to be willing to listen to a genuine tactical expert.

That's it though isn't it, he doesn't listen to anyone - his his way or no way, he thinks that he's the next Pep when he's clearly nowhere near being a top manager.

If getting rid of Craddock meant that he would bring in an experienced coach who would mentor & teach Evatt I could possibly buy into it, but he just surrounds himself with yes men. Yes sir No sir, Yes Ian No Ian. If they brought in an analyst, a tactical expert who told Evatt that he's been sussed and needs to change the way we play - again I could possibly buy into it, but we know Evatt will not change.

[GhostoftheBok]

That's it though isn't it, he doesn't listen to anyone - his his way or no way, he thinks that he's the next Pep when he's clearly nowhere near being a top manager.

If he won't listen then he'll lose his job and tarnish his blessed legacy

Pay a specialist and knock one issue off the list.

Finding a top quality coach will be much more difficult.

Pep listens to his staff. He doesn't work with anyone he doesn't respect and if he respects you he listens when you speak.

If Evatt wants to be Pep then that's something to emulate.

I'd be interested to know whether the club employs a sports psychologist. I may have just forgotten, but I don't think we do. We probably should.

[officer_dibble]

Be interesting whether they bring anyone in at all. The statement i was expecting involved Craddock going, but as a side note to Evatt and Atherton. Would have thought Crainey stay for the weekend.

What I reckon has happened is a bit of a ding dong at full time in the changing room between players and staff, and Craddock has been the fall guy. Whether he sided with players or what I dunno, it will be irrelevant as Mr me me me wasn’t volunteering to go, he had to have a fall guy.

If Craddock is not replaced it has to be a sign Evatt and Atherton will be next?? Or am I clutching at straws? Has Evatt got something over Sharon we don’t know about? Are they shagging??

[KeyserSoze]

Big 'High Performance Podcast' energy from our Evatt.

I'm quite down. Evatt is clearly a very talented coach. He has been integral to dragging bolton from some of our lowest lows to a buoyant club that finally believed in itself for the first time in a long time in the last four years. Promotion, pizza trophy; given where we were/are, they are achievements I won't forget in a hurry.

However weirdly the above and what is going on now have highlighted some of his many of his flaws that have always, and probs will always, be there. And ones that quickly cause HMS PTL to list starboard and wind up stranded in an ocean.

He's a self stylised visionary (how often do you hear recruits talk about Evatt's vision for the club, like he is pitching them a PowerPoint to get investment for his startup), and with that comes the single-mindedness, chest-thumping and overpromising that goes ignored (even liked) when things are going well. When things don't go well though...you find out who someone is.

And Evatt just seems like someone who thought that markets only go up. That he wouldn't need to go through some hard yards. And now the latter is showing he isn't a leader at all, just someone who can only parrot the same old phrases, make the same old mistakes, but still feel powerless about it. Except managers are rarely powerless. Unless you can't manage.

As said, I'm sad. I'll see how things go.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Big 'High Performance Podcast' energy from our Evatt.

I'm quite down. Evatt is clearly a very talented coach. He has been integral to dragging bolton from some of our lowest lows to a buoyant club that finally believed in itself for the first time in a long time in the last four years. Promotion, pizza trophy; given where we were/are, they are achievements I won't forget in a hurry.

However weirdly the above and what is going on now have highlighted some of his many of his flaws that have always, and probs will always, be there. And ones that quickly cause HMS PTL to list starboard and wind up stranded in an ocean.

He's a self stylised visionary (how often do you hear recruits talk about Evatt's vision for the club, like he is pitching them a PowerPoint to get investment for his startup), and with that comes the single-mindedness, chest-thumping and overpromising that goes ignored (even liked) when things are going well. When things don't go well though...you find out who someone is.

And Evatt just seems like someone who thought that markets only go up. That he wouldn't need to go through some hard yards. And now the latter is showing he isn't a leader at all, just someone who can only parrot the same old phrases, make the same old mistakes, but still feel powerless about it. Except managers are rarely powerless. Unless you can't manage.

As said, I'm sad. I'll see how things go.

A thoughtful post, thank you

It’s sad when things go wrong, but they’ll always be our Wanderers. We will rise again.

[TANGODANCER]

"WANDERERS will keep faith with manager Ian Evatt for this weekend’s home clash against Reading – but the axe is set to swing on members of his backroom staff."

This from today's Bolton News.

[Bertie Wooster]

There is a worrying (IMO) article by GT this morning in the BN about Evatt's style of play, why its so intricate and not like other League 1 teams - all preparation aimed at keeping the club in the championship (if we ever get there).

[Worthy4England]

There is a worrying (IMO) article by GT this morning in the BN about Evatt's style of play, why its so intricate and not like other League 1 teams - all preparation aimed at keeping the club in the championship (if we ever get there).

That reads like a "no shit Sherlock." They need to add "difficult to adapt" to "complex," "takes a long time for new recruits to understand" and hard to recruit the (precisely) right targets for. We've had 4 years of talking about this. It's proof point is promotion - there's no point having a team that could stay in the Champo, if it can't get out of L1. It's like having the most badass plane in the war, if only it could fly.

[BWFC_Insane]

So Thomason has basically confirmed all the things I’ve been saying over the last two years.

We have mental weakness running through the club like a stick of rock.

We are trying to play a style of football we are not capable of playing and winning with consistently enough to go up.

It didn’t take much to identify these two issues - indeed they’ve been apparent for two years. The problem is that nothing has been done about them. Now both are out in the open and undeniable Evatt will have to fix them. I won’t hold my breath.

[Bertie Wooster]

It says to me that he (Evatt) isn't looking to change anything, it will be more of the same 'over complicated' football that the players can't play but he'll try harder to get the team to play it better (his Plan A 2.0) - its utter madness / lunacy. I'm not sure how anyone can justify this approach. 1. We won't even get into the championship playing this way & 2. If by some miracle we ever did we couldn't play this way in the championship, championship teams would suss the team out quicker than League 1 teams.

How on earth have the owners allowed this 'complex' strategy to continue, he (Evatt) must be a very good salesman and the board must be quite gullible to swallow it - new players must come into the team and think WTF is this they are trying to play, its no wonder most new signings struggle.

[officer_dibble]

Had his Alan Pardew moment yesterday which is going to result in a fine/ban. Be interesting how this dealt with by the board.

[TANGODANCER]

Listen to yourselves will you. If I were Bolton Wanderers C.E.O. I'd send your season ticket money back in the post and ban the lot of you Sine-Die as fair-weather friends and faint-hearted lovers. You know who you are...COME ON YOU WHITES..

[nicholaldo]

Had his Alan Pardew moment yesterday which is going to result in a fine/ban. Be interesting how this dealt with by the board.

It won't have an impact on anything.

[officer_dibble]

Do you mean it won’t lead to his sacking? No I don’t think it will either. It wasn’t that bad - shows he is under pressure for sure. I think we’ll have to be well out of contention of play offs for him to go this season. Or the mood will have to be a lot worse. If it gets that way it will be a shame as it will be too late to influence the remainder of the season and it’s another crack at promotion written off.