Loan Watch 24/25

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

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Max Conway with a nice finish at the weekend, though could probably photoshop a white flag into the hand of the defender who went down to the ground.

[Prufrock]

Would be objectively funny if Morley got Wycombe promoted...

[BWFC_Insane]

Would be objectively funny if Morley got Wycombe promoted...

Morley at Wycombe is yet more evidence (though not needed) of how poor a manager Evatt is. Poor by the standards of this league too. Not just his own nonsense about managing in the premier league. Which he never will.

He doesn’t get the best out of players. I can’t think of many he’s improved. The general trajectory is players come in and go backwards. He can’t see positions or ways to extract more out of players. If they don’t work in the role he bought them for they are either put into a poor fit role or discarded.

[truewhite15]

Would be objectively funny if Morley got Wycombe promoted...

Morley at Wycombe is yet more evidence (though not needed) of how poor a manager Evatt is. Poor by the standards of this league too. Not just his own nonsense about managing in the premier league. Which he never will.

He doesn’t get the best out of players. I can’t think of many he’s improved. The general trajectory is players come in and go backwards. He can’t see positions or ways to extract more out of players. If they don’t work in the role he bought them for they are either put into a poor fit role or discarded.

George Thomason.

Things are bad enough without you making shit up.

[nicholaldo]

To be fair, it was "many" rather than none.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Plenty folk who may well be present on this thread were saying Morley wasn’t up to it.

I’m glad he’s doing well. I think he has a potential future here.

Not the biggest story right now.

[truewhite15]

To be fair, it was "many" rather than none.

Fair point. I misread the original post as "any", rather than many, expecting the unrelenting pessimism again.

For "many", then, I also give you:

Ricardo Santos - languishing in non-league before Evatt gave him another chance, now considered by many outside the club to be one of the best defenders in League One.

Josh Sheehan - getting nowhere fast at Newport in League Two, now an international regular and Team Of The Season inductee.

Dion Charles - doing nothing at Accrington, now a regular international and the first to score 50+ for the club in donkey's years.

I could even give you Aaron Morley, who (before last season's cliff-edge drop in form) had progressed from Rochdale to a trade in scoring spectacular goals in front of the cameras under Evatt as a League One regular.

Arguments could also be made for Conor Bradley (highly rated but never had played proper league football before) and James Trafford (shaky at best at Accrington before coming here and gaining a multi-million move to the Premier League). I know they were loanees, but they clearly learned something.

I expect the usual whataboutery and excuses as to why these players excelled in spite of Evatt, rather than because of him. But that just seems like wilful ignorance and blind hate, to me...

[nicholaldo]

I'm not sure I can agree Sheehan was going nowhere fast; he'd played his way into a better move.

Similarly, Charles was only doing nothing because he'd refused to sign a new contract and was eyeing a step up move after impressing with his performances.

But, regardless, they've both done well.

[BWFC_Insane]

Would be objectively funny if Morley got Wycombe promoted...

Morley at Wycombe is yet more evidence (though not needed) of how poor a manager Evatt is. Poor by the standards of this league too. Not just his own nonsense about managing in the premier league. Which he never will.

He doesn’t get the best out of players. I can’t think of many he’s improved. The general trajectory is players come in and go backwards. He can’t see positions or ways to extract more out of players. If they don’t work in the role he bought them for they are either put into a poor fit role or discarded.

George Thomason.

Things are bad enough without you making shit up.

Thomason is self made.

The rest of the names don’t impress me. Santos is not a great defender and has not got better. Sheehan is indulged enough to put in decent performances but has not improved to my eyes on the player we signed.

Charles has gone backwards from the player that arrived here and ripped Sunderland apart with dapo.

Dapo another example, went backwards in his last year here. Has shown subsequently how good a player he was and how we didn’t get that out of him.

Collins has gone backwards and for such a good player we aren’t maximising him. Dempsey has gone backwards. We didn’t get the best out of Bradley clearly.

[DJBlu]

Would be objectively funny if Morley got Wycombe promoted...

Morley at Wycombe is yet more evidence (though not needed) of how poor a manager Evatt is. Poor by the standards of this league too. Not just his own nonsense about managing in the premier league. Which he never will.

He doesn’t get the best out of players. I can’t think of many he’s improved. The general trajectory is players come in and go backwards. He can’t see positions or ways to extract more out of players. If they don’t work in the role he bought them for they are either put into a poor fit role or discarded.

George Thomason.

Things are bad enough without you making shit up.

Thomason is self made.

The rest of the names don’t impress me. Santos is not a great defender and has not got better. Sheehan is indulged enough to put in decent performances but has not improved to my eyes on the player we signed.

Charles has gone backwards from the player that arrived here and ripped Sunderland apart with dapo.

Dapo another example, went backwards in his last year here. Has shown subsequently how good a player he was and how we didn’t get that out of him.

Collins has gone backwards and for such a good player we aren’t maximising him. Dempsey has gone backwards. We didn’t get the best out of Bradley clearly.

"Self Made"

You mean, doesn't fit my rhetoric so I'll discount it as he clearly can't have been coached and told how to improve. Arrived a scrawny shit and turned into club captain. Well done to the lad for doing it all himself.

Moving onto the players again whilst in a run of form, how very insane.

[truewhite15]

Would be objectively funny if Morley got Wycombe promoted...

Morley at Wycombe is yet more evidence (though not needed) of how poor a manager Evatt is. Poor by the standards of this league too. Not just his own nonsense about managing in the premier league. Which he never will.

He doesn’t get the best out of players. I can’t think of many he’s improved. The general trajectory is players come in and go backwards. He can’t see positions or ways to extract more out of players. If they don’t work in the role he bought them for they are either put into a poor fit role or discarded.

George Thomason.

Things are bad enough without you making shit up.

Thomason is self made.

The rest of the names don’t impress me. Santos is not a great defender and has not got better. Sheehan is indulged enough to put in decent performances but has not improved to my eyes on the player we signed.

Charles has gone backwards from the player that arrived here and ripped Sunderland apart with dapo.

Dapo another example, went backwards in his last year here. Has shown subsequently how good a player he was and how we didn’t get that out of him.

Collins has gone backwards and for such a good player we aren’t maximising him. Dempsey has gone backwards. We didn’t get the best out of Bradley clearly.

"Self Made"

You mean, doesn't fit my rhetoric so I'll discount it as he clearly can't have been coached and told how to improve. Arrived a scrawny shit and turned into club captain. Well done to the lad for doing it all himself.

Moving onto the players again whilst in a run of form, how very insane.

Very much this. I'll go back to my initial comment - you don't have to make shit up. Ridiculous take, Insane.

[boltonboris]

Players I don't like are shit because of the manager
Players I like are good in spite of the manager

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Dubem Eze, a 19-year-old attacking midfielder we picked up this summer from Norwich, putting his laces through it for sixth-tier Chorley.

[knobpolisher]

I read IE is making noises re the Jan window. Decisions to be made on Nlundulu and Morley I guess.
This got me thinking about Paris Maghoma who doesn't seem to be doing anything at Brentford, if we could get near the top of the division by the end of the window would his loan be a possibility? It seems his current contract runs out next year and he will be 24 in May , surely he needs regular game time.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I read IE is making noises re the Jan window. Decisions to be made on Nlundulu and Morley I guess.
This got me thinking about Paris Maghoma who doesn't seem to be doing anything at Brentford, if we could get near the top of the division by the end of the window would his loan be a possibility? It seems his current contract runs out next year and he will be 24 in May , surely he needs regular game time.

My mind wanderers that way this very morning - but dispassionately, Brentford and he would surely prefer a second-tier club.

[Worthy4England]

I read IE is making noises re the Jan window. Decisions to be made on Nlundulu and Morley I guess.
This got me thinking about Paris Maghoma who doesn't seem to be doing anything at Brentford, if we could get near the top of the division by the end of the window would his loan be a possibility? It seems his current contract runs out next year and he will be 24 in May , surely he needs regular game time.

My mind wanderers that way this very morning - but dispassionately, Brentford and he would surely prefer a second-tier club.

There's a pretty intriguing convo about Morley as to whether he'd actually want to come back! I know he's our player etc. but I doubt we'd press-gang him back.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

There's a pretty intriguing convo about Morley as to whether he'd actually want to come back! I know he's our player etc. but I doubt we'd press-gang him back.

Iles made the fair point that he’s more of a 6 than an 8, which is currently more of a shortfall. But I would definitely get Azzer back. Madness not to, really, if he’s helping an unexpected rival close off the only available auto slot given Moneybags Birmingham are already Champions Elect (imagine who they’ll sign in Jan if they’re not top…)

Big Dan can stay out on loan though. If we are defaulting to 352 (with the option of 343 if it suits) then we don’t need another attacker.

[jimbo]

I read IE is making noises re the Jan window. Decisions to be made on Nlundulu and Morley I guess.
This got me thinking about Paris Maghoma who doesn't seem to be doing anything at Brentford, if we could get near the top of the division by the end of the window would his loan be a possibility? It seems his current contract runs out next year and he will be 24 in May , surely he needs regular game time.

My mind wanderers that way this very morning - but dispassionately, Brentford and he would surely prefer a second-tier club.

There's a pretty intriguing convo about Morley as to whether he'd actually want to come back! I know he's our player etc. but I doubt we'd press-gang him back.

Morley, surely the option is recall or sell. His stock will be high at present. Make Wycombe pay if they want to keep him. They might see it as essential investment to maintain a promotion push and pay over the market value for him. We could then use the cash to spend him elsewhere.
Alternative is he comes back, strengthens us, and weakens them.

[The_Gun]

There's a pretty intriguing convo about Morley as to whether he'd actually want to come back! I know he's our player etc. but I doubt we'd press-gang him back.

Iles made the fair point that he’s more of a 6 than an 8, which is currently more of a shortfall. But I would definitely get Azzer back. Madness not to, really, if he’s helping an unexpected rival close off the only available auto slot given Moneybags Birmingham are already Champions Elect (imagine who they’ll sign in Jan if they’re not top…)

As I posted elsewhere, I would imagine we’d either be looking to recall Morley, or sell him to Wycombe in Jan. Not much point leaving him on loan there if they’re directly competing with us for promotion.

[Worthy4England]

I read IE is making noises re the Jan window. Decisions to be made on Nlundulu and Morley I guess.
This got me thinking about Paris Maghoma who doesn't seem to be doing anything at Brentford, if we could get near the top of the division by the end of the window would his loan be a possibility? It seems his current contract runs out next year and he will be 24 in May , surely he needs regular game time.

My mind wanderers that way this very morning - but dispassionately, Brentford and he would surely prefer a second-tier club.

There's a pretty intriguing convo about Morley as to whether he'd actually want to come back! I know he's our player etc. but I doubt we'd press-gang him back.

Morley, surely the option is recall or sell. His stock will be high at present. Make Wycombe pay if they want to keep him. They might see it as essential investment to maintain a promotion push and pay over the market value for him. We could then use the cash to spend him elsewhere.
Alternative is he comes back, strengthens us, and weakens them.

I'm sure that's correct (recall or sell). I have no idea who Wycombe have played yet (think everyone in the top 7 bar Huddersfield) and whether it's been an even spread, but 35 points from 15 games is a mighty fine start. If we say we're on 23 games at beginning of Jan, they'd be 50+ points if they can keep near to that rate.

"Hi Aaron, know we told you to fcuk off and git gud, but now you're in the top 2 and we're not, can you come back so we don't play you again because you don't like our content"...

Not sure recall would work well from where Morley's sat, and not sure Evatt would actually do it...Could you imagine they go up, we don't. I doubt Morley would ever forgive us (so wouldn't be worth having around the place anyhow)