The ianevattable sacking

[DJBlu]

Possible they're updating the kit man as it's still got Ted on there.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'd be very surprised if the first we heard of a managerial sacking was a club-site 404 error.

Mar - as far as I'm aware we haven't (yet?) directly replaced Hart as CEO - his duties have been split between COO Phil Mason and CFO Niaz Shazad, the fella who joined us from City Football Group.

[Mar]

Possible they're updating the kit man as it's still got Ted on there.

That would make more sense and a decent reason for updates to that page being made.

[boltonboris]

Possible they're updating the kit man as it's still got Ted on there.

BOOOOOORING

[Prufrock]

Better off checking if we've signed out the corner flag picture from the internet.

[Spartan2]

He's survived the day which means he's in for the season, which is now a complete write off. What is the fecking point. Hate them all now, top to bottom.

[officer_dibble]

That clip of Sharon saying she hates the culture or changing managers after 5 or so defeats - fine - but don’t expect people to buy tickets - I’ll wager the Barnsley attendance will be a couple of thousand lower - and worse still don’t expect people to buy season tickets either. Good luck with that in the new year when you try to badger people for next season. I support Bolton not Ian Evatt FC.

Oh - and she says it costs so much to change back room teams and it’s a lot of upheaval - well she sacked craddock the other month! Hypocrite.

[DJBlu]

That clip of Sharon saying she hates the culture or changing managers after 5 or so defeats - fine - but don’t expect people to buy tickets - I’ll wager the Barnsley attendance will be a couple of thousand lower - and worse still don’t expect people to buy season tickets either. Good luck with that in the new year when you try to badger people for next season. I support Bolton not Ian Evatt FC.

Oh - and she says it costs so much to change back room teams and it’s a lot of upheaval - well she sacked craddock the other month! Hypocrite.

It does make one wonder what the targets are this season from the board.

Don't jump down my throat here but...

If it's promotion via at least the playoffs due to competition in the league then he's still likely to achieve getting into the playoffs.

Trying to fathom how the board aren't reading the room, is it that we have enough season ticket sales that this season can carry on regardless? They'll only sack him if it's going to prevent next seasons sales?

I dunno, it's all a bit shit as this league is winnable with the results from elsewhere, just feels like we'll be surfing on the wake of the top 2 and hope to jump in the boat on the last game.

[BWFC_Insane]

That clip of Sharon saying she hates the culture or changing managers after 5 or so defeats - fine - but don’t expect people to buy tickets - I’ll wager the Barnsley attendance will be a couple of thousand lower - and worse still don’t expect people to buy season tickets either. Good luck with that in the new year when you try to badger people for next season. I support Bolton not Ian Evatt FC.

Oh - and she says it costs so much to change back room teams and it’s a lot of upheaval - well she sacked craddock the other month! Hypocrite.

It does make one wonder what the targets are this season from the board.

Don't jump down my throat here but...

If it's promotion via at least the playoffs due to competition in the league then he's still likely to achieve getting into the playoffs.

Trying to fathom how the board aren't reading the room, is it that we have enough season ticket sales that this season can carry on regardless? They'll only sack him if it's going to prevent next seasons sales?

I dunno, it's all a bit shit as this league is winnable with the results from elsewhere, just feels like we'll be surfing on the wake of the top 2 and hope to jump in the boat on the last game.

Lot of conspiracy stuff but often the simpler answer is the truth. She’s not got any history in football has never run a club before likely isn’t sitting on a lot of contacts within the game and unlike many chairmen or women probably doesn’t know many people in the game who she could be tapping up potential replacements with.

More likely just out of her depth. Not sure what to do. Trying to apply business strategies from outside football. And we all know that however well intentioned that may be it doesn’t tend to work. Like it or not football simply works differently.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Aye, BWFCi, it’s Occam’s Razor stuff. She’s/they’ve never had to do this before - tipping Hill wasn’t a hard decision, this would be. To me, it feels partly like inexperience and partly like unwillingness to give up on the journey/project/dream. She’s very protective of Evatt but at some point the anger will (rightly or wrongly) turn on her too, and that will hurt.

[TANGODANCER]

Aye, BWFCi, it’s Occam’s Razor stuff. She’s/they’ve never had to do this before - tipping Hill wasn’t a hard decision, this would be. To me, it feels partly like inexperience and partly like unwillingness to give up on the journey/project/dream. She’s very protective of Evatt but at some point the anger will (rightly or wrongly) turn on her too, and that will hurt.

Only by the extremists. Looking for a victim is a soft option, but sadly, a relevant one.

[BWFC_Insane]

Aye, BWFCi, it’s Occam’s Razor stuff. She’s/they’ve never had to do this before - tipping Hill wasn’t a hard decision, this would be. To me, it feels partly like inexperience and partly like unwillingness to give up on the journey/project/dream. She’s very protective of Evatt but at some point the anger will (rightly or wrongly) turn on her too, and that will hurt.

By all accounts Hill wasn’t her choice and she didn’t get on with him. If he was and she did, I’d bet he’d still be here now regardless of results.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Aye, BWFCi, it’s Occam’s Razor stuff. She’s/they’ve never had to do this before - tipping Hill wasn’t a hard decision, this would be. To me, it feels partly like inexperience and partly like unwillingness to give up on the journey/project/dream. She’s very protective of Evatt but at some point the anger will (rightly or wrongly) turn on her too, and that will hurt.

By all accounts Hill wasn’t her choice and she didn’t get on with him. If he was and she did, I’d bet he’d still be here now regardless of results.

She hasn't gotten where she has in life by by being stupid. I think that she's trying to apply a bit too much business logic thinking that the problem in football is a lack of that. But we all know football works different even if it probably shouldn't. She'll be assessing the fact there has been a problem for a while and the answers being given by Evatt (fire the coach) haven't improved anything much. She's more patient than we'd like, but that has paid off in the past, though I think she'll run out of patience before spring but might wait to pot him until plans are in place nearer to summer.

I've written off this season already. We might stumble into the play offs but we are not going up. I do wish she'd get rid now to give a new manager chance to whip this lot into shape so we can make a fist of it in the play offs. Otherwise we're whimpering out ala Barnsley season before last.

[Armchair Wanderer]

I've written off this season already. We might stumble into the play offs but we are not going up. I do wish she'd get rid now to give a new manager chance to whip this lot into shape so we can make a fist of it in the play offs. Otherwise we're whimpering out ala Barnsley season before last.

^ This.

With a PLC, you have your CEO and your board. The board picks the CEO and if they get into a sticky situation the experience of the board is there to support the CEO. If there is little/no football experience in the board that's a little troubling. It feels to me like they're accepting whatever they're being told and not really pushing back because they don't know any better. He was the best guy before, so must be the best now too. He's the expert let's trust him and let him do his job.

In fairness, while I don't think playoffs are a given, they're still in touch.

[officer_dibble]

There’s no point reaching the playoffs if the expert tells you all the players he has signed and picks freeze in big games. I’d rather this bunch of players don’t get there.

[BWFC_Insane]

Aye, BWFCi, it’s Occam’s Razor stuff. She’s/they’ve never had to do this before - tipping Hill wasn’t a hard decision, this would be. To me, it feels partly like inexperience and partly like unwillingness to give up on the journey/project/dream. She’s very protective of Evatt but at some point the anger will (rightly or wrongly) turn on her too, and that will hurt.

By all accounts Hill wasn’t her choice and she didn’t get on with him. If he was and she did, I’d bet he’d still be here now regardless of results.

She hasn't gotten where she has in life by by being stupid. I think that she's trying to apply a bit too much business logic thinking that the problem in football is a lack of that. But we all know football works different even if it probably shouldn't. She'll be assessing the fact there has been a problem for a while and the answers being given by Evatt (fire the coach) haven't improved anything much. She's more patient than we'd like, but that has paid off in the past, though I think she'll run out of patience before spring but might wait to pot him until plans are in place nearer to summer.

I've written off this season already. We might stumble into the play offs but we are not going up. I do wish she'd get rid now to give a new manager chance to whip this lot into shape so we can make a fist of it in the play offs. Otherwise we're whimpering out ala Barnsley season before last.

I don’t think she’s stupid but there are a lot of very rich people who haven’t got where they are by being stupid who would not do a good job running a football club necessarily.

For me my point was that I suspect she wouldn’t sack a manager who she chose and likes and gets on with easily if at all. That could have been Hill in other circumstances. My bet is that patience works for her elsewhere.

The difference in football is that incremental behind the scenes progress and building does not always (or even mostly) translate into results because managerial skill comes down to that ability to construct a side and an environment where the good stuff off field translates into results on it and really what defines success comes down to a managers ability to do that under pressure.

Which is why I don’t think you can apply the same rules to football as you can to other industries. If someone can’t sell they can be trained. If they still can’t sell it may be inherently a problem and they go or are redeployed in a non sales role. If Evatt can’t manage under pressure and can’t build an environment that succeeds under pressure there isn’t many places to go with that. The only people who could potentially teach him are sports direct competitors and of course much of what makes the difference can’t be learned or taught - it’s there or it isn’t.

You can in life learn leadership - I know I had to - certainly wasn’t close to natural for me. But again in football or competitive sport conducted in public it’s much harder to learn because it’s a small pool and your credibility in it has a very short shelf life.

When Oxford who beat us in the play offs having spent a fraction of what we did and not exactly having a history of much outside the lower leagues, sit outside the relegation zone in the championship and still sack their manager you begin to see how much of an outlier we are. And let’s be honest most of the others running clubs know a lot more about how to run a football club than our owners do. They didn’t get where they are by not knowing how to run one……

[Worthy4England]

Everyone who's ever run a football club started life with no idea how to run a football club. Martin Edwards ran a meat business, Pompey's Chairman ran fcuking Disney. I'm pretty sure there's rather more to it than the bit we see on a Saturday. I guess the folks at Rotherham (wasn't their manager suggested as one for us by people who know football?), Cambridge and Bristol Rovers have not the foggiest. I mean they're near the bottom of the League.

I'm pretty sure she leaves running the football side to Markham and Evatt. Nor does she have a controlling interest (but the most shares). It's not like when Anderson or ED owned us 97%.

I've been in the "Evatt out" camp for a while, so I'm not suggesting us retaining him and Markham is right for us. But some of the contrived nonsense about leadership beggars belief.

[TonyDomingos]

Of course Sharon knows about football: she's given us a manager with a 50% win rate!

[TANGODANCER]

It's not really all about anything else but finance and investors in the end though, is it?. Even eminently successful managers can still lose their jobs because enough is never enough, and clubs are just players in the eternal fame and money game. How many of the posh seat fillers are really there for love of the game? I reckon not so many.

Back on the grass, I'm hoping I.E. has the lads on extensive shooting practise. They surely need it. Chances made mean naught at all without goals, and converting them is all it's about. Our ballet-dancing desperation defending might be better understood if we actually played in the opposition half and scored a few. We don't, and that's what this "sack the manager" thread is really all about.

Er, Amen.

[Worthy4England]

I think they need some extensive "keep the ball out of our net" practice, too, mate.