The Politics Thread

[Harry Genshaw]

Feck me that's desperate. A cabinet minister has a relative who works in the civil service? Call the cops!

[Worthy4England]

Apparently the Tories had eleven.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha...

Jeez.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Personally I'm more concerned with the Tory Ministers that had mates with newly invented companies supplying medical shit with £100m contracts...

[BWFC_Insane]

The dark lord off to be US ambassador. Now I quite like Mandy - he’s a decent operator but this feels like the very sort of thing destined to go very very wrong.

[Hoboh]

Keir Starmer's government 'will give councils more powers to seize land and pay owners less' in 'bulldozer blitz' bid to build 1.5m new homes.

The UK is truly turning into a Marxist state under Labour, The Red flag will be the new national anthem next.

[Hoboh]

The dark lord off to be US ambassador. Now I quite like Mandy - he’s a decent operator but this feels like the very sort of thing destined to go very very wrong.

Meddlesome will be as welcome as an STI in the US.

[Worthy4England]

Keir Starmer's government 'will give councils more powers to seize land and pay owners less' in 'bulldozer blitz' bid to build 1.5m new homes.

The UK is truly turning into a Marxist state under Labour, The Red flag will be the new national anthem next.

Same target as Johnson had and missed in 2019. And Sunak in 2024. Yet 1.5m is a shock, somehow. Same sort of Marxist devolutions as occurred under the Tories.

There is a real problem with Labour's approach to this, but it's not in CPOing land off asset land bankers.

It's that they still get no commitment to building anything affordable, they haven't twigged that it's not in developers interests to build 3-400,000 houses a year, so they won't - the last time we beat 300k was about mid-1970's.

When there was compulsory targets under Tories, they still didn't hit them.

There isn't enough labour force to build them without an influx of immigration.

This is focus on trying to drive economic growth because that's how capitalism works. As far away from marxist economics as you can get.

[BWFC_Insane]

The dark lord off to be US ambassador. Now I quite like Mandy - he’s a decent operator but this feels like the very sort of thing destined to go very very wrong.

Meddlesome will be as welcome as an STI in the US.

Isn’t he the one Trump has effectively picked? I thought he was Farage’s choice? No?

[Worthy4England]

The dark lord off to be US ambassador. Now I quite like Mandy - he’s a decent operator but this feels like the very sort of thing destined to go very very wrong.

Meddlesome will be as welcome as an STI in the US.

Isn’t he the one Trump has effectively picked? I thought he was Farage’s choice? No?

We should not be dictated to by the US Government. I care not one whit about whether those idiots like our diplomats or not. Only working in their own interests.

[BWFC_Insane]

The dark lord off to be US ambassador. Now I quite like Mandy - he’s a decent operator but this feels like the very sort of thing destined to go very very wrong.

Meddlesome will be as welcome as an STI in the US.

Isn’t he the one Trump has effectively picked? I thought he was Farage’s choice? No?

We should not be dictated to by the US Government. I care not one whit about whether those idiots like our diplomats or not. Only working in their own interests.

Agree. But we all know we are going to bend over and get absolutely nothing in return whilst probably destroying any chance of a better deal with Europe. I mean they are sending Mandelson because he knows trade. We do about only half the trade with the US as we do with the EU and it’s unlikely we will significantly increase it regardless and especially not in these circumstances.

[Worthy4England]

The dark lord off to be US ambassador. Now I quite like Mandy - he’s a decent operator but this feels like the very sort of thing destined to go very very wrong.

Meddlesome will be as welcome as an STI in the US.

Isn’t he the one Trump has effectively picked? I thought he was Farage’s choice? No?

We should not be dictated to by the US Government. I care not one whit about whether those idiots like our diplomats or not. Only working in their own interests.

Agree. But we all know we are going to bend over and get absolutely nothing in return whilst probably destroying any chance of a better deal with Europe. I mean they are sending Mandelson because he knows trade. We do about only half the trade with the US as we do with the EU and it’s unlikely we will significantly increase it regardless and especially not in these circumstances.

All we'll get from them is more shite. I mean half the Brexiteers are already kissing their butt-hole.

[Hoboh]

The dark lord off to be US ambassador. Now I quite like Mandy - he’s a decent operator but this feels like the very sort of thing destined to go very very wrong.

Meddlesome will be as welcome as an STI in the US.

Isn’t he the one Trump has effectively picked? I thought he was Farage’s choice? No?

We should not be dictated to by the US Government. I care not one whit about whether those idiots like our diplomats or not. Only working in their own interests.

Agree. But we all know we are going to bend over and get absolutely nothing in return whilst probably destroying any chance of a better deal with Europe. I mean they are sending Mandelson because he knows trade. We do about only half the trade with the US as we do with the EU and it’s unlikely we will significantly increase it regardless and especially not in these circumstances.

All we'll get from them is more shite. I mean half the Brexiteers are already kissing their butt-hole.

And all the weeping remainers are greasing up thir poles to slip Macron a quick one in the hope he might survive the turmoil and continue blessing the soon to no longer be the focus of France and Germany, the EU.
In today's world, would I trust the EU and Europe to assist with our defence or the USA?
The French and even more so the Spanish, Portuguese,and Italian's hardly participate in NATO exercises now and the Germansstick to non front line roles.
Tell me, I'm very curious, what is the great trade we do with, say France? Oh, we get Renault, Peugeot, Citroën Cheese, French wine, EDF and unwanted migration. As far as I'm aware, the overwhelming trade within the EU has been via financial services the exact thing they have backed off stifling because of UK links to the US.
If it wasn't for all the knicker wetters and we had really gone for the EU, we would be in a far better trade and rules situation now, Germany would sorely miss trade with us, trade they could not make up for now with Chinese influences on global business, more so manufacturing now.
UK manufacturing is useless now, we neither have the facilities low energy costs nor, mainly due to the obsession of keeping 'children' wrapped up in useless father education until their early twenties, with the fake promises of high paying jobs for them on completion. We need good old fashioned apprenticeships and an early work ethic so the likes of you can stop loving imports of migrants to fill the holes created the way many spoil their little darlings these days!

[Worthy4England]

Many words. Miss point as ever.

About a third of our current "growth" comes from immigration. One day you might get your American arse licking head around their version of free market capitalism and gain some basic understanding of what's currently fecking people.

[TANGODANCER]

We need good old fashioned apprenticeships and an early work ethic so the likes of you can stop loving imports of migrants to fill the holes created the way many spoil their little darlings these days!

Whilst I totally agree with the concept Hobes, you're talking when the world was young and a fish and chips supper was eleven pence. Unfortunately, Father tIme has marched on. It's the jobs not the people that govern things today. I served an apprenticeship back then at a firm with over 4,000 employees. Today, it's a building site where only mainly foreign labour will accept the wages manual work entails. Overall's are replaced with suit and ties (male and female) and the younger generation dream of being pop-stars, lawyers, millionaires and world-changing politicians.

Nobody want's to work for buttons, they never have, but what we want and what we get are as far part as us and New Zealand. The answer is as clear as a 1950's peasouper fog.

"Give him the money Mabel"

[BWFC_Insane]

It’s simple mathematics. Our working age population is in decline. You can’t magic up a load of working age people born here because they don’t exist.

Work ethic becomes irrelevant as you move slowly but surely to a 1:1 ratio between working age people and those retired. When the country was in a good position there were 20 times as many workers as those retired.

Now it’s less than 1:3. And it’s getting worse over next two decades.

I know the reform extreme mad lot don’t like basic facts but that is it. I guess on social media you can just decide what ‘facts’ you believe in but reality bites.

[Hoboh]

Many words. Miss point as ever.

About a third of our current "growth" comes from immigration. One day you might get your American arse licking head around their version of free market capitalism and gain some basic understanding of what's currently fecking people.

I'm beginning to wonder just how many of this cheap labour you so love works at your place?

It's only nerds who fail to see what's fecking people up, free market blah, blah, blah. Laziness and fecking stupidity is the biggest elephant in the room, coupled with 25yo children.

About a third of lack of services are due this overseas growth, lack of housing for the 25-30yo children, no schools places, but yeah when you are so far up your own backdoor yo never see these things.

Follow your local MP, she will see you right

[Hoboh]

It’s simple mathematics. Our working age population is in decline. You can’t magic up a load of working age people born here because they don’t exist.

Work ethic becomes irrelevant as you move slowly but surely to a 1:1 ratio between working age people and those retired. When the country was in a good position there were 20 times as many workers as those retired.

Now it’s less than 1:3. And it’s getting worse over next two decades.

I know the reform extreme mad lot don’t like basic facts but that is it. I guess on social media you can just decide what ‘facts’ you believe in but reality bites.

The basic fact is we paid for our pensions over our working lives but government just pissed it away. How about, you get nothing until you put something in, that sounds far better to most. That's reality


"It’s simple mathematics. Our working age population is in decline. You can’t magic up a load of working age people born here because they don’t exist".

Yeah, well Rachel from accounts is doing her best to put that right isn't she.

[BWFC_Insane]

It’s simple mathematics. Our working age population is in decline. You can’t magic up a load of working age people born here because they don’t exist.

Work ethic becomes irrelevant as you move slowly but surely to a 1:1 ratio between working age people and those retired. When the country was in a good position there were 20 times as many workers as those retired.

Now it’s less than 1:3. And it’s getting worse over next two decades.

I know the reform extreme mad lot don’t like basic facts but that is it. I guess on social media you can just decide what ‘facts’ you believe in but reality bites.

The basic fact is we paid for our pensions over our working lives but government just pissed it away. How about, you get nothing until you put something in, that sounds far better to most. That's reality


"It’s simple mathematics. Our working age population is in decline. You can’t magic up a load of working age people born here because they don’t exist".

Yeah, well Rachel from accounts is doing her best to put that right isn't she.

I mean you don’t even understand basic facts.

A state pension is a benefit not an entitlement and thus what you pay in is in fact paying for those already retired. You aren’t paying into your own pot, never have done. Any state pension is entirely reliant on the working population when it starts to be paid.

A generation of people are retiring early many with vast capital wealth and this is also causing the issue we have with a lack of workforce.

But you only need look at birth rates. There is not the UK workforce to sustain us over the next 30 years without significant immigration. That’s not a debate. It’s a fact. So where do you want them to come from? That’s the debate. Either as we are, Africa, India and the Middle East or as we were before eastern and Central Europe? You decide. It’s one or the other.

[Worthy4England]

Many words. Miss point as ever.

About a third of our current "growth" comes from immigration. One day you might get your American arse licking head around their version of free market capitalism and gain some basic understanding of what's currently fecking people.

I'm beginning to wonder just how many of this cheap labour you so love works at your place?

It's only nerds who fail to see what's fecking people up, free market blah, blah, blah. Laziness and fecking stupidity is the biggest elephant in the room, coupled with 25yo children.

About a third of lack of services are due this overseas growth, lack of housing for the 25-30yo children, no schools places, but yeah when you are so far up your own backdoor yo never see these things.

Follow your local MP, she will see you right

Wonder away. None is the answer, we don't employ anyone at low wages. There are some on working visas, but they have to earn at least 40k and generally where we need to recruit abroad for skills gaps, it certainly isn't the cheapest option.

Talking about laziness and stupidity, that's got most of the rest of your post covered. What is this housing shortage of which you speak? There's over a million empty properties in the UK. a further 1.25m unbuild planning permissions. Labour is doubling down on the stupid view of the market and what's causing the problem. More than half the people without a home are there because they can't afford it, rather than one doesn't exist. Quite a lot are out of a home because of no-fault evictions. That's because there's been 30 years of broad wage stagnation. We don't get the facilities new builds need, because we give developers viability clauses on infra, which is always the first element to fall away post planning under S106.

I have no idea where your 1/3 of lack of services comes from - what's your source?

My local MP isn't a she.

Just remind me, where are those sunlit uplands from Brexit again? I seem to be missing them.

[Hoboh]

Many words. Miss point as ever.

About a third of our current "growth" comes from immigration. One day you might get your American arse licking head around their version of free market capitalism and gain some basic understanding of what's currently fecking people.

I'm beginning to wonder just how many of this cheap labour you so love works at your place?

It's only nerds who fail to see what's fecking people up, free market blah, blah, blah. Laziness and fecking stupidity is the biggest elephant in the room, coupled with 25yo children.

About a third of lack of services are due this overseas growth, lack of housing for the 25-30yo children, no schools places, but yeah when you are so far up your own backdoor yo never see these things.

Follow your local MP, she will see you right

Wonder away. None is the answer, we don't employ anyone at low wages. There are some on working visas, but they have to earn at least 40k and generally where we need to recruit abroad for skills gaps, it certainly isn't the cheapest option.

Talking about laziness and stupidity, that's got most of the rest of your post covered. What is this housing shortage of which you speak? There's over a million empty properties in the UK. a further 1.25m unbuild planning permissions. Labour is doubling down on the stupid view of the market and what's causing the problem. More than half the people without a home are there because they can't afford it, rather than one doesn't exist. Quite a lot are out of a home because of no-fault evictions. That's because there's been 30 years of broad wage stagnation. We don't get the facilities new builds need, because we give developers viability clauses on infra, which is always the first element to fall away post planning under S106.

I have no idea where your 1/3 of lack of services comes from - what's your source?

My local MP isn't a she.

Just remind me, where are those sunlit uplands from Brexit again? I seem to be missing them.

And I miss all the benefits of paying in to the EU whilst having to accept all the beggers and others moving freely about from Eastern Europe, chucking money to the Spanish to build an airport they never used, oh what brilliant rules and sunlit uplands.

Tried to see a Dr recently that doesn't take 2 weeks, get a hospital appointment, get kids into local schools? Soon it will be book a room in an hotel.
You just stagger around in your middle-class society and completely ignore the reality of what's happening on the streets. Well the lot currently running government will soon bring it home.
So you are not in Miss free doc Martins constituency, I do apologise.