Reasons to be cheerful. At home to Cambridge Sat 18th Jan 3'clock.

[GhostoftheBok]

Allardyce could afford his ego as he’d achieved things we had and never will see again.

So it's not about decency then, is it?

[Bertie Wooster]

In itself its not much, but I thought that SB was about decency etc. there were apparently young children in the vicinity & although I'm sure that they will have heard similar swearing during the games - As manager and figurehead of the club surely Evatt shouldn't be allowed to get away with swearing at a section of fans (paying hard earned money) just because they have shown general displeasure at yet another shocking performance.

It's ok saying it wasn't much and it wasn't, but in his position he shouldn't have said it, its laughable but to some young fans they may (however unlikely) see him being the manager as something of a role model, he should know and act much better than this.

[GhostoftheBok]

In itself its not much, but I thought that SB was about decency etc. there were apparently young children in the vicinity & although I'm sure that they will have heard similar swearing during the games - As manager and figurehead of the club surely Evatt shouldn't be allowed to get away with swearing at a section of fans (paying hard earned money) just because they have shown general displeasure at yet another shocking performance.

It's ok saying it wasn't much and it wasn't, but in his position he shouldn't have said it, its laughable but to some young fans they may (however unlikely) see him being the manager as something of a role model, he should know and act much better than this.

I have absolutely no issue with a manager being sacked for telling a fan to feck off. None.

However, if you're going to take that position then you have to stick with it - not do it based on whether they've won games or not.

I was sat near the fan Sam told to feck off at the Everton game and he absolutely deserved it, but it should never have happened. Would a single on of us go back in time and sack Sam for it?

I wouldn't. So I can't call for Evatt's head based on him doing the same thing. I can condemn it and I think he should have to issue an apology and probably face a club fine, but I'd be a hypocrite to call for his sacking on that basis.

[Worthy4England]

I have no problem with a Manager telling someone to fcuk-off, if they're being dicks.

[Bertie Wooster]

In itself its not much, but I thought that SB was about decency etc. there were apparently young children in the vicinity & although I'm sure that they will have heard similar swearing during the games - As manager and figurehead of the club surely Evatt shouldn't be allowed to get away with swearing at a section of fans (paying hard earned money) just because they have shown general displeasure at yet another shocking performance.

It's ok saying it wasn't much and it wasn't, but in his position he shouldn't have said it, its laughable but to some young fans they may (however unlikely) see him being the manager as something of a role model, he should know and act much better than this.

I have absolutely no issue with a manager being sacked for telling a fan to feck off. None.

However, if you're going to take that position then you have to stick with it - not do it based on whether they've won games or not.

I was sat near the fan Sam told to feck off at the Everton game and he absolutely deserved it, but it should never have happened. Would a single on of us go back in time and sack Sam for it?

I wouldn't. So I can't call for Evatt's head based on him doing the same thing. I can condemn it and I think he should have to issue an apology and probably face a club fine, but I'd be a hypocrite to call for his sacking on that basis.

What position ?

[nicholaldo]

I think my thoughts on it are that he shouldn't have said what he did but I can't get worked up about it.

[GhostoftheBok]

What position ?

It's Evatt, so I assume missionary.

[BWFC_Insane]

Allardyce could afford his ego as he’d achieved things we had and never will see again.

So it's not about decency then, is it?

I don’t think a manager would or should be sacked for telling someone to fck off. But Allardyce had a lot more justification in doing so than Evatt whose whole issue is acting like he’s made it when he’s scrabbling round the lower leagues.

Decency is a bit more than this. But a manager who is in any way likable would be nice.

[GhostoftheBok]

A new manager who will get results and is a lovely bloke would be great.

Right now I only care about winning tomorrow night. Then I'll care about Saturday.

Make him apologise. Fine him. Crack on.

We know the terms. We go up or he's gone. He's not going much before then.

He's staying and I want to go up. Slim chance, but on we go.

[BWFC_Insane]

A new manager who will get results and is a lovely bloke would be great.

Right now I only care about winning tomorrow night. Then I'll care about Saturday.

Make him apologise. Fine him. Crack on.

We know the terms. We go up or he's gone. He's not going much before then.

He's staying and I want to go up. Slim chance, but on we go.

Right but other fans won’t see it the same way. Whilst he’s here I can’t enjoy Bolton wanderers so there isn’t anything good to come from him here.

I wasn’t in that place with Megson but many were.

And like it or not it’s Evatt against the fans and the fans against Evatt until he goes now regardless. That’s set in.

[GhostoftheBok]

Right but other fans won’t see it the same way. Whilst he’s here I can’t enjoy Bolton wanderers so there isn’t anything good to come from him here.

I wasn’t in that place with Megson but many were.

And like it or not it’s Evatt against the fans and the fans against Evatt until he goes now regardless. That’s set in.

I felt that way about Megson, but if I was told at the time "He's staying until the end of the season, but we're backing him to get into the CL places and if not he's gone in the summer" I'd have gritted my teeth if there was even a remote hope of it.

Even in the real world I backed the team for the full 90.

For me there are basic rules about supporting your club and one is that you back the players on the pitch and save the carping for when they're not. I loathed Anderson, but supported every team put out under his chairmanship.

[Mar]

Right but other fans won’t see it the same way. Whilst he’s here I can’t enjoy Bolton wanderers so there isn’t anything good to come from him here.

I wasn’t in that place with Megson but many were.

And like it or not it’s Evatt against the fans and the fans against Evatt until he goes now regardless. That’s set in.

I felt that way about Megson, but if I was told at the time "He's staying until the end of the season, but we're backing him to get into the CL places and if not he's gone in the summer" I'd have gritted my teeth if there was even a remote hope of it.

Even in the real world I backed the team for the full 90.

For me there are basic rules about supporting your club and one is that you back the players on the pitch and save the carping for when they're not. I loathed Anderson, but supported every team put out under his chairmanship.

There's a big difference between the stuff that was served up under Anderson's tenure and this current lot.

We knew that Parkinson had a tough job and that the players and staff were going through some troublesome times. This current inception of Bolton is considerably different. I had a lot of sympathy for Parkinson, with Evatt, not so much.

If you're going to go around headbutting opposition players, telling the fans to 'F-off', whilst being blessed with arguably the best backing a manager has ever had for this club then there will be little sympathy given. Continuing with an inflexible system, selling off one of our better players and being unable to correct a downward spiral for a good thirteen months doesn't exactly paint a manager in good stead. Consistent levels of underperformance too.

There's been plenty of support for him as well. Doubts were raised after the Oxford match, but he was given a fair crack to go again. Patience wears thin however and here we are.

Even if he were to turn it around and achieve success with us, i'm firmly expecting it to be spitefully done. I want to see us achieving success as a club, as a collective unit and not a team where our own players are putting fingers up to their mouths to silence the critics. I think we could possibly get there but only if some apologies are doled out.

Swearing at fans is unacceptable, but we're not going to get an apology any time soon. That Oxford play off final was unacceptable and we've still not had that properly addressed. If we're going to start hitting our expected standards then it starts with the manager.

[TonyDomingos]

Evatt has apologised for his f-off. Apparently said in frustration at the first half performance and definitely not aimed at the supporters.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... -outburst/

[GhostoftheBok]

There's a big difference between the stuff that was served up under Anderson's tenure and this current lot.

We knew that Parkinson had a tough job and that the players and staff were going through some troublesome times. This current inception of Bolton is considerably different. I had a lot of sympathy for Parkinson, with Evatt, not so much.

If you're going to go around headbutting opposition players, telling the fans to 'F-off', whilst being blessed with arguably the best backing a manager has ever had for this club then there will be little sympathy given. Continuing with an inflexible system, selling off one of our better players and being unable to correct a downward spiral for a good thirteen months doesn't exactly paint a manager in good stead. Consistent levels of underperformance too.

There's been plenty of support for him as well. Doubts were raised after the Oxford match, but he was given a fair crack to go again. Patience wears thin however and here we are.

Even if he were to turn it around and achieve success with us, i'm firmly expecting it to be spitefully done. I want to see us achieving success as a club, as a collective unit and not a team where our own players are putting fingers up to their mouths to silence the critics. I think we could possibly get there but only if some apologies are doled out.

Swearing at fans is unacceptable, but we're not going to get an apology any time soon. That Oxford play off final was unacceptable and we've still not had that properly addressed. If we're going to start hitting our expected standards then it starts with the manager.

You back the team on the pitch for 90 minutes.

Absolute minimum standard.

Especially when you're only 3 points off the play-offs.

Protest, call for the manager to go, whatever...you back the team from whistle to whistle.

All the rest is flummery and excuses for a total lack of self-control. Which is ironic, given that's what Evatt is being slated for.

He should do better. So should a lot of the fans. Evatt has the excuse of being under constant, invasive pressure. The melts in the stands don't.

[Bertie Wooster]

You back the team on the pitch for 90 minutes.

Absolute minimum standard.

Especially when you're only 3 points off the play-offs.

Protest, call for the manager to go, whatever...you back the team from whistle to whistle.

All the rest is flummery and excuses for a total lack of self-control. Which is ironic, given that's what Evatt is being slated for.

He should do better. So should a lot of the fans. Evatt has the excuse of being under constant, invasive pressure. The melts in the stands don't.

Rubbish - why should the paying Bolton fans stay silent if the product on the pitch is abysmal - people paying £30 to just sit there bored to tears watching slow, turgid, boring sideways & backwards shite.

The fcuking melts are on the pitch and in the dugout, its been absolutely shite now for over 12 months with zero signs of improvement, they (the players) and he (Evatt) deserve all they get & if the supporters want to tell them its shite they should have every right to do so.

[GhostoftheBok]

Rubbish - why should the paying Bolton fans stay silent if the product on the pitch is abysmal - people paying £30 to just sit there bored to tears watching slow, turgid, boring sideways & backwards shite.

The fcuking melts are on the pitch and in the dugout, its been absolutely shite now for over 12 months with zero signs of improvement, they (the players) and he (Evatt) deserve all they get & if the supporters want to tell them its shite they should have every right to do so.

When clubs say fans are customers the fans get upset and then when the club needs support they act like customers.

Like I said. Melts.

Supporters should be just that. Whistle to whistle you get behind them and do your part to try and help performances.

Anything less is a tantrum.

[Bertie Wooster]

Rubbish - why should the paying Bolton fans stay silent if the product on the pitch is abysmal - people paying £30 to just sit there bored to tears watching slow, turgid, boring sideways & backwards shite.

The fcuking melts are on the pitch and in the dugout, its been absolutely shite now for over 12 months with zero signs of improvement, they (the players) and he (Evatt) deserve all they get & if the supporters want to tell them its shite they should have every right to do so.

When clubs say fans are customers the fans get upset and then when the club needs support they act like customers.

Like I said. Melts.

Supporters should be just that. Whistle to whistle you get behind them and do your part to try and help performances.

Anything less is a tantrum.

Sorry Ghost but that's absolute sanitised bollocks. You'll be saying next that its up to the fans to get the players going not visa versa.

[GhostoftheBok]

You'll be saying next that its up to the fans to get the players going not visa versa.

Nope, both need to do their bit.

The test of both players and fans is how you react when it gets difficult. Both have failed that test recently.

The fans have the least pressure on them, so it should be easier for them to stop skriking.

Every fan likes to say they're the 12th man until it's actually difficult to control their emotions and show support when it's shite. Then they're paying customers who don't like the product.

It's weak.

I've bollocked players and lost my rag at games. It happens. The default should be support, though. Every game. At the minute people are whipping themselves up to hate a group of players who absolutely don't deserve the level of vitriol. They're in contention for the play-offs, not sulking at the bottom of the league.

The manager is a dreadful person and has earnt his stick, but that's also gone way, way too far.

It's mob bollocks.

[Worthy4England]

I'm going to caveat this with - I agree to the extent that trying to disrupt the team isn't for me.

The notion that football fans loyalty should just be to suck it up, whatever is served up and when the delivery is pi$$ poor is pretty old fashioned too for a team you maybe picked when you were 8 - given we like shiny new ways of doing things. If we're demanding minimum standards off the fans, then I think we should demand the minimum standard for footballing, given they pay their way and were asked to drop in an additional 5 million. This season, that was top 2 - and we're 16 points off, having played some dire, dire football for over 12 months now.

Evatt and the Board can solve his constant, invasive pressure at a stroke.

[TANGODANCER]

All this swearing ruckus is grade A nonsense caused by the minority as usual. There are no rights and wrongs about how individuals will react to anything and a football match is hardly a cathedral; a fact that is as certain as taking young children is a risky business anywhere due not to the environ, but the people there. In short, making rules to suit all is impossible. In fact, take the four letter sexual overtone words out of it all and it's just shouting abuse. Grin and bear it just about covers it simply because what will be will be. (That's what Que Sera,Sera, my favourite quote means if you didn't know..)