The Politics Thread

[Worthy4England]

Do they genuinely think a comment about identifying as a Llama was in any way serious?

Yes. There's been posts and indignation.

It's so true, apparently they now have a medical term for the nutjobs, 'species dysphoria'.

These non human, humans break down into two groups, therians, people who identify as non-human animals on a deep level and engage in behaviours associated with their animal identity, and furries, who see their animal persona as a character with or without a sexual element.

And whilst we are on, only the UK's warped legal system could grant entry to the UK for a Palestinian family of six, from Gaza, to join a brother under now ended rights for Ukrainians fleeing Putins tools.

But, mate, this (species dysphoria) isn't anything new, it's been around a long time. The problem isn't that some unfortunate people believe it of themselves, it's when we start trying to alter the way society operates to accomodate it. I can recall the indignation to people playing dungeons and dragons as a kid, I mean can you imagine all these kids pretending to be wizards? Down to black magic, I think was the rag narrative...

Today, there's a whole section of society throwing random quotes around from the Daily Mail (see above). They take lots of shit out of context and think the world should show righteous indignation. You wouldn't believe it. Shall we give them a name badge?

As for your last bit. We have the usual half truths. It is correct to say they piggy backed the Ukraine scheme to join a brother. I disagree that "only the UKs warped system, would grant them rights" where the alternative is to return a family (any family, anywhere) to a location that's having the shit blown out of it and a US president offering to "relocate" (ethincally cleanse) people in the area to an as yet unknown location.

[Prufrock]

They didn't piggy back on the Ukraine scheme. They followed Home Office guidance to use the Ukraine form because there wasn't a more suitable one for their case. They acknowledged from the start they weren't eligible for the scheme, their case wasn't decided on the scheme, nor was their appeal.

I think it's a valid view to take that the HRA allows cases like this to be decided where there isn't sufficient justification (the human rights of a family member who has been here a long time, vs any other number of people in the same situation without a family member here).

As it goes, I'm fine with it, there will always be edge cases and I have no issue with it.

But it had nothing to do with the Ukraine scheme other than "oh just use that form as we don't have a specific one and that gives us the info we need to make a decision".

[BWFC_Insane]

It’s already tedious. We are only a few weeks in and the media’s endless celebrity treatment of Trump and his phalanx of fascist hanger ons is already beyond tedious.

Sacrificing Ukraine was of course unthinkable and ridiculous to be treated as treason a year ago. Now because of idiotic and yokel American straw chewing morons we supposedly have to pretend that ‘well maybe there is something in it’.

The idea that total stupidity can’t be challenged because it’s popular is depressing enough in itself. But the new position of ‘well we can’t really challenge fascism because it’s ermmm popular’ is worse. The fact these idiots often will cite World War Two as their ultimate example making the complete opposite of the point they want to make is not ironic or funny it’s just boring.

[Worthy4England]

We will not be ruled by unelected beaurocrats in Europe. But we'll suck America's cock as lomg as they wave it.

[Hoboh]

We will not be ruled by unelected beaurocrats in Europe. But we'll suck America's cock as lomg as they wave it.

Really? Well I never expected you to be doing that

[Montreal Wanderer]

The new health minister,Ashley Dalton, previously called for an end to same-sex toilets, suggested females can have penises, and backed people identifying as llamas, it was revealed today.

You're lucky! You could have someone in charge of the nation's health who had a worm eating his brain, himself eats roadkill, and believes vaccinations cause autism.

[TANGODANCER]

Great to hear from you Monty. Politics are crazy the world over.

[Hoboh]

Two chins in Paris promising further aid and British Troops, meanwhile, Doc Marts is in Africa promising more aid. UK anyone?

[Worthy4England]

Two chins in Paris promising further aid and British Troops, meanwhile, Doc Marts is in Africa promising more aid. UK anyone?

You do know two chins doesn't rhyme with either Keir or Starmer? Just can't get the quality these days. I give up.

[Hoboh]

I see some criticism has kicked off the self important legal leeches who think they are more important than an elected, sovereign Parliament. Mind you, a lot of folk have felt the 'impartial' judiciary have been swinging to the left for a few decades now, really must smash the Uni loonies indoctrination tactics.

[BWFC_Insane]

I see some criticism has kicked off the self important legal leeches who think they are more important than an elected, sovereign Parliament. Mind you, a lot of folk have felt the 'impartial' judiciary have been swinging to the left for a few decades now, really must smash the Uni loonies indoctrination tactics.

Good lord. Judges pass decisions based on the legal framework and laws that parliament sets.

The criticism arose from Badenoch who was in government when the legal framework was adopted that a judge had to rule on. The fact they didn’t close off the loophole is entirely the governments fault at the time.

That’s how sovereignty works. It’s how the independent judiciary works.

The fact that idiots (and I can’t think of a kinder word) have decided that upholding laws is ‘woke and left wing’ can’t be helped.

[Hoboh]

I see some criticism has kicked off the self important legal leeches who think they are more important than an elected, sovereign Parliament. Mind you, a lot of folk have felt the 'impartial' judiciary have been swinging to the left for a few decades now, really must smash the Uni loonies indoctrination tactics.

Good lord. Judges pass decisions based on the legal framework and laws that parliament sets.

The criticism arose from Badenoch who was in government when the legal framework was adopted that a judge had to rule on. The fact they didn’t close off the loophole is entirely the governments fault at the time.

That’s how sovereignty works. It’s how the independent judiciary works.

The fact that idiots (and I can’t think of a kinder word) have decided that upholding laws is ‘woke and left wing’ can’t be helped.

Listen mate, when the same said judiciary follow laws and sentences that are equal for everyone, I.e no more of a female and male committing the same crime, yet the male gets a harsher sentence, maybe then people will have faith in the system.
Independent? Yeah my ass, these people did virtually all they could to block Brexit, block deportations on spurious claims and have no interest in the laws that they apply to others.
Justice and the system is fecked when new laws get passed, the old ones should be binned off, not left as a lawyers get out of jail card.

And, by the way, whatever makes a judge above criticism?

[BWFC_Insane]

I see some criticism has kicked off the self important legal leeches who think they are more important than an elected, sovereign Parliament. Mind you, a lot of folk have felt the 'impartial' judiciary have been swinging to the left for a few decades now, really must smash the Uni loonies indoctrination tactics.

Good lord. Judges pass decisions based on the legal framework and laws that parliament sets.

The criticism arose from Badenoch who was in government when the legal framework was adopted that a judge had to rule on. The fact they didn’t close off the loophole is entirely the governments fault at the time.

That’s how sovereignty works. It’s how the independent judiciary works.

The fact that idiots (and I can’t think of a kinder word) have decided that upholding laws is ‘woke and left wing’ can’t be helped.

Listen mate, when the same said judiciary follow laws and sentences that are equal for everyone, I.e no more of a female and male committing the same crime, yet the male gets a harsher sentence, maybe then people will have faith in the system.
Independent? Yeah my ass, these people did virtually all they could to block Brexit, block deportations on spurious claims and have no interest in the laws that they apply to others.
Justice and the system is fecked when new laws get passed, the old ones should be binned off, not left as a lawyers get out of jail card.

And, by the way, whatever makes a judge above criticism?

I know you sit in an echo chamber where you are fed this nonsense. So it’s pointless actually dealing in facts. Judges in this country only can apply the law they have. And parliament has always been able to define and change those laws. Not judges. But it’s absolutely pointless - large parts of our populous are lost to this nonsense. No doubt you claim you want independent judiciary yet are very happy to endorse the political judiciary of the states. So long as it’s the political judiciary you favour.

As for female vs male sentences the major reason these can differ is down to wider public threat. Some equivalent crimes will carry different threat levels to the wider population if it’s a female or male perpetrator. And thus sometimes the sentences are different. For very reasonable reasons.

[Worthy4England]

I see some criticism has kicked off the self important legal leeches who think they are more important than an elected, sovereign Parliament. Mind you, a lot of folk have felt the 'impartial' judiciary have been swinging to the left for a few decades now, really must smash the Uni loonies indoctrination tactics.

Good lord. Judges pass decisions based on the legal framework and laws that parliament sets.

The criticism arose from Badenoch who was in government when the legal framework was adopted that a judge had to rule on. The fact they didn’t close off the loophole is entirely the governments fault at the time.

That’s how sovereignty works. It’s how the independent judiciary works.

The fact that idiots (and I can’t think of a kinder word) have decided that upholding laws is ‘woke and left wing’ can’t be helped.

Listen mate, when the same said judiciary follow laws and sentences that are equal for everyone, I.e no more of a female and male committing the same crime, yet the male gets a harsher sentence, maybe then people will have faith in the system.
Independent? Yeah my ass, these people did virtually all they could to block Brexit, block deportations on spurious claims and have no interest in the laws that they apply to others.
Justice and the system is fecked when new laws get passed, the old ones should be binned off, not left as a lawyers get out of jail card.

And, by the way, whatever makes a judge above criticism?

Right outta Trumpton.

[nicholaldo]

The fact they didn’t close off the loophole is entirely the governments fault at the time.

There is no loophole. The family in question were granted asylum on the basis of the right to a family life under Article 8 of the HRA.

It was a bizarre exchange between the two leaders.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Great to hear from you Monty. Politics are crazy the world over.

True, but especially so in our great neighbour to the South, where crazy seems an understatement.

Spent a lot of time lately, like you Jim, looking after the wife. She had a new knee in August, an eye operation in October, a second new knee this month (other leg) and will have cataract surgery in five weeks. She can't walk, can't see and can't drive so an undue burden falls on me. Then, yesterday, my car battery failed and she wants to know why we have no food. I'm not sure why they call these the golden years....

[Hoboh]

I see some criticism has kicked off the self important legal leeches who think they are more important than an elected, sovereign Parliament. Mind you, a lot of folk have felt the 'impartial' judiciary have been swinging to the left for a few decades now, really must smash the Uni loonies indoctrination tactics.

Good lord. Judges pass decisions based on the legal framework and laws that parliament sets.

The criticism arose from Badenoch who was in government when the legal framework was adopted that a judge had to rule on. The fact they didn’t close off the loophole is entirely the governments fault at the time.

That’s how sovereignty works. It’s how the independent judiciary works.

The fact that idiots (and I can’t think of a kinder word) have decided that upholding laws is ‘woke and left wing’ can’t be helped.

Listen mate, when the same said judiciary follow laws and sentences that are equal for everyone, I.e no more of a female and male committing the same crime, yet the male gets a harsher sentence, maybe then people will have faith in the system.
Independent? Yeah my ass, these people did virtually all they could to block Brexit, block deportations on spurious claims and have no interest in the laws that they apply to others.
Justice and the system is fecked when new laws get passed, the old ones should be binned off, not left as a lawyers get out of jail card.

And, by the way, whatever makes a judge above criticism?

Right outta Trumpton.

Of course, it had to be didn't it, it couldn't possibly have come from the book of middle-class champagne socialism could it? The book that says all middle management pen pushers hate and eny those with more and other than the odd virtue signal, usually towards migrants, also hate those below them. Well you fecked yourselves with labour, didn't you.

Trump, if a little over the top, is doing many things the UK is crying out for, dealing with migrants, cutting waste, axing stupid branches of government, dealing with the 'Sir Humphrys' cutting out of control legal beagles, little wonder a certain type don't like him.

When it comes to Ukraine though, he's wrong and right. Yes it needs to stop but not because of a business deal between him and Putin nor with the help of that feckin nob head in no10 Whose 17yo son would be miles from the protection zone studying in some luxury pad no doubt.

Now, that finally brings us around to that great European political project pushed by the bedwetters, the magical kingdom of the EU and its magnificent members, or, as it should read, the kingdom of those who cannot agree over feck all when the going gets tough and some of the shithouses are called out over their contributions towards defence. Yes1.4% Spain, Portugal, not much more Italy. Don't forget the collective EU European dream is going to make us all great again if we rejoined.
Hang your heads in shame remainers, not that you know the meaning of that, stick to the kleenex.

[Worthy4England]

What are you now blathering about? We've left the EU and are now waiting for the sunlit uplands, don't think I've ever said "rejoin," but it is right to work through whether we can improve some of the many details that weren't thought through by soundbite politicians now all blaming each other whilst admitting it's not worked. The same ones that convinced people to vote for it.

I'm delighted you think someone who proposed ethnic cleansing is only a little over the top. You don't seem unhappy with his unelected beaurocrat elite, Musk dipping his oar in which I thought was one if your main grumbles about the EU. When he's purged all the legal structures and there's mainly just Trump left taking decisions with no oversight or checks and balances. What then? You end up with two elites, one unelected, controlling everything. You have been appaled by JD Vances speech if he was European, telling everyone how to do shit. Good luck with that. Maybe now would be a good time to remind us how much wall he built.

[BWFC_Insane]

The fact they didn’t close off the loophole is entirely the governments fault at the time.

There is no loophole. The family in question were granted asylum on the basis of the right to a family life under Article 8 of the HRA.

It was a bizarre exchange between the two leaders.

Yes but they applied through a scheme that wasn’t intended to be used for non Ukrainians. And initially it was ruled that the lack of a resettlement scheme ruled them out. It was on appeal that the decision was changed - but had the framework been more explicit then it’s quite possible the appeal would have been unsuccessful.

It’s perfectly possible to establish that in UK law. I’m not suggesting we should by the way. We should not breach international law or the HRA. And I completely disagree with Starmer suggesting we should.

But that’s what I suspect will happen.

[Prufrock]

Hoboh comes out in favour of EU army is not a development I saw coming.