Yorkshire Relish. Away to Barnsley Sat Apr 12th 3-0'clock.

[irie Cee Bee]

My worry re Schumacher is if he can see how lightweight our midfield/team are, how come Matete hasn't been able to get a start?

Matete has been very inconsistent, thats why.. Hot today, then cold for the next two games. I guess one can say that for most players at this level.

[BWFC_Insane]

My worry re Schumacher is if he can see how lightweight our midfield/team are, how come Matete hasn't been able to get a start?

Matete is lightweight too.

[BWFC_Insane]

Schumacher says it took us half an hour to make a tackle. Whatever is going on at least he tells it as it is unlike the last bloke…..

If he is given the chance to properly clear this out and sign proper replacements I do feel next season could be good. After all he’s done precisely this at Plymouth take a side that missed the play offs and won the league the next year.

In his BBC interview he says ‘4 games to go for the players to show what they are about - it looks like we are going to need a shake up if possible’.

Aye. Again in defeat Schumacher impresses me. No complaints with him at all.

Everything wrong is the players.

I'm not sure we get a huge clear out. How many are out of contract that aren't loans? About 4?

He'd impress me more if we didn't lose again this season.

Couldn’t care less about the rest of this season. Lose every game. Be fine.

The issue is the summer and next season. I suspect Sharon is going to have to write cheques to move them out. And it’s her own fault. We’ve taken players incapable of delivering what’s required for too much money. So now will have to pay them off - or make it clear they aren’t wanted and hope they trudge off somewhere.

It’s a big job but like I say he’s done it before.

I get he's done it before, but, one swallow and all that.

I think possibly, you might be underestimating our financial clout. And I know you want to blame "everything." We aren't backed in Brum territory, I doubt we're going to buy it. Hopefully he comes good.

We spent so much money with Evatt and Markham. It’s utterly infuriating but certainly the board have to face it up accept their mistake and now find a way to back Schumacher to sort it out. Simple as that for me. If they don’t want to then they shouldn’t be here either.

[DJBlu]

Schumacher says it took us half an hour to make a tackle. Whatever is going on at least he tells it as it is unlike the last bloke…..

If he is given the chance to properly clear this out and sign proper replacements I do feel next season could be good. After all he’s done precisely this at Plymouth take a side that missed the play offs and won the league the next year.

In his BBC interview he says ‘4 games to go for the players to show what they are about - it looks like we are going to need a shake up if possible’.

Aye. Again in defeat Schumacher impresses me. No complaints with him at all.

Everything wrong is the players.

I'm not sure we get a huge clear out. How many are out of contract that aren't loans? About 4?

He'd impress me more if we didn't lose again this season.

Couldn’t care less about the rest of this season. Lose every game. Be fine.

The issue is the summer and next season. I suspect Sharon is going to have to write cheques to move them out. And it’s her own fault. We’ve taken players incapable of delivering what’s required for too much money. So now will have to pay them off - or make it clear they aren’t wanted and hope they trudge off somewhere.

It’s a big job but like I say he’s done it before.

I get he's done it before, but, one swallow and all that.

I think possibly, you might be underestimating our financial clout. And I know you want to blame "everything." We aren't backed in Brum territory, I doubt we're going to buy it. Hopefully he comes good.

We spent so much money with Evatt and Markham. It’s utterly infuriating but certainly the board have to face it up accept their mistake and now find a way to back Schumacher to sort it out. Simple as that for me. If they don’t want to then they shouldn’t be here either.

And what if it isn't as simple as they don't and more they can't? Where do we find this magical owner with a bottomless pit?

[Worthy4England]

Schumacher says it took us half an hour to make a tackle. Whatever is going on at least he tells it as it is unlike the last bloke…..

If he is given the chance to properly clear this out and sign proper replacements I do feel next season could be good. After all he’s done precisely this at Plymouth take a side that missed the play offs and won the league the next year.

In his BBC interview he says ‘4 games to go for the players to show what they are about - it looks like we are going to need a shake up if possible’.

Aye. Again in defeat Schumacher impresses me. No complaints with him at all.

Everything wrong is the players.

I'm not sure we get a huge clear out. How many are out of contract that aren't loans? About 4?

He'd impress me more if we didn't lose again this season.

Couldn’t care less about the rest of this season. Lose every game. Be fine.

The issue is the summer and next season. I suspect Sharon is going to have to write cheques to move them out. And it’s her own fault. We’ve taken players incapable of delivering what’s required for too much money. So now will have to pay them off - or make it clear they aren’t wanted and hope they trudge off somewhere.

It’s a big job but like I say he’s done it before.

I get he's done it before, but, one swallow and all that.

I think possibly, you might be underestimating our financial clout. And I know you want to blame "everything." We aren't backed in Brum territory, I doubt we're going to buy it. Hopefully he comes good.

We spent so much money with Evatt and Markham. It’s utterly infuriating but certainly the board have to face it up accept their mistake and now find a way to back Schumacher to sort it out. Simple as that for me. If they don’t want to then they shouldn’t be here either.

Glad it's simple as that.

What counts as the board facing it up? In money terms. I mean to get to your "15 players." I think was the tally mid-game? They'd have to cancel contracts and that's going to cost, before signing anyone.

And in case you missed it with the "shouldn't be here" part, last time around the next nearest alternative to this board (having just had Anderson) was fcuking Bassini. I'll stick thanks.

[dave the minion]

Schumacher says it took us half an hour to make a tackle. Whatever is going on at least he tells it as it is unlike the last bloke…..

If he is given the chance to properly clear this out and sign proper replacements I do feel next season could be good. After all he’s done precisely this at Plymouth take a side that missed the play offs and won the league the next year.

In his BBC interview he says ‘4 games to go for the players to show what they are about - it looks like we are going to need a shake up if possible’.

Aye. Again in defeat Schumacher impresses me. No complaints with him at all.

Everything wrong is the players.

I'm not sure we get a huge clear out. How many are out of contract that aren't loans? About 4?

He'd impress me more if we didn't lose again this season.

Couldn’t care less about the rest of this season. Lose every game. Be fine.

The issue is the summer and next season. I suspect Sharon is going to have to write cheques to move them out. And it’s her own fault. We’ve taken players incapable of delivering what’s required for too much money. So now will have to pay them off - or make it clear they aren’t wanted and hope they trudge off somewhere.

It’s a big job but like I say he’s done it before.

I get he's done it before, but, one swallow and all that.

I think possibly, you might be underestimating our financial clout. And I know you want to blame "everything." We aren't backed in Brum territory, I doubt we're going to buy it. Hopefully he comes good.

We spent so much money with Evatt and Markham. It’s utterly infuriating but certainly the board have to face it up accept their mistake and now find a way to back Schumacher to sort it out. Simple as that for me. If they don’t want to then they shouldn’t be here either.

Here we go again. All our misery & woes are down to....

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos (how long into his long-awaited return did it take you to blame him by the way??.....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan.....
Sheehan / Santos / Evatt.....

Markham

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan....

Sharon and the board
by the way, I like SS

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....

Rinse & repeat. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again....

We get it. We've heard it. You don't need to keep saying it

[The_Gun]

I make it 18 overage players contracted beyond this season, meaning we have space to bring in 4 more barring any sales. There’s not a chance in hell we bring in 15 new lads.

[Bertie Wooster]

I make it 18 overage players contracted beyond this season, meaning we have space to bring in 4 more barring any sales. There’s not a chance in hell we bring in 15 new lads.

I think that we could encourage bids for the likes of Randall, Sheehan, McAtee, Johnston, Thomason, Adeboyejo etc. They may be low bids but it could get them off the books ?, we could also offer a few of them around for a season long loan to create squad places.

Personally I think that we need at least 4 or 5 new better, more experienced players, starting XI players in the summer. We need pace & physicality as currently we have neither in this squad.

[BWFC_Insane]

Schumacher says it took us half an hour to make a tackle. Whatever is going on at least he tells it as it is unlike the last bloke…..

If he is given the chance to properly clear this out and sign proper replacements I do feel next season could be good. After all he’s done precisely this at Plymouth take a side that missed the play offs and won the league the next year.

In his BBC interview he says ‘4 games to go for the players to show what they are about - it looks like we are going to need a shake up if possible’.

Aye. Again in defeat Schumacher impresses me. No complaints with him at all.

Everything wrong is the players.

I'm not sure we get a huge clear out. How many are out of contract that aren't loans? About 4?

He'd impress me more if we didn't lose again this season.

Couldn’t care less about the rest of this season. Lose every game. Be fine.

The issue is the summer and next season. I suspect Sharon is going to have to write cheques to move them out. And it’s her own fault. We’ve taken players incapable of delivering what’s required for too much money. So now will have to pay them off - or make it clear they aren’t wanted and hope they trudge off somewhere.

It’s a big job but like I say he’s done it before.

I get he's done it before, but, one swallow and all that.

I think possibly, you might be underestimating our financial clout. And I know you want to blame "everything." We aren't backed in Brum territory, I doubt we're going to buy it. Hopefully he comes good.

We spent so much money with Evatt and Markham. It’s utterly infuriating but certainly the board have to face it up accept their mistake and now find a way to back Schumacher to sort it out. Simple as that for me. If they don’t want to then they shouldn’t be here either.

Here we go again. All our misery & woes are down to....

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos (how long into his long-awaited return did it take you to blame him by the way??.....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan.....
Sheehan / Santos / Evatt.....

Markham

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan....

Sharon and the board
by the way, I like SS

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....

Rinse & repeat. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again....

We get it. We've heard it. You don't need to keep saying it

Not been wrong though have I? Seems like everyone now saying the same things.

If only the owners had a clue a bit earlier we’d not be in this position.

[BWFC_Insane]

Schumacher says it took us half an hour to make a tackle. Whatever is going on at least he tells it as it is unlike the last bloke…..

If he is given the chance to properly clear this out and sign proper replacements I do feel next season could be good. After all he’s done precisely this at Plymouth take a side that missed the play offs and won the league the next year.

In his BBC interview he says ‘4 games to go for the players to show what they are about - it looks like we are going to need a shake up if possible’.

Aye. Again in defeat Schumacher impresses me. No complaints with him at all.

Everything wrong is the players.

I'm not sure we get a huge clear out. How many are out of contract that aren't loans? About 4?

He'd impress me more if we didn't lose again this season.

Couldn’t care less about the rest of this season. Lose every game. Be fine.

The issue is the summer and next season. I suspect Sharon is going to have to write cheques to move them out. And it’s her own fault. We’ve taken players incapable of delivering what’s required for too much money. So now will have to pay them off - or make it clear they aren’t wanted and hope they trudge off somewhere.

It’s a big job but like I say he’s done it before.

I get he's done it before, but, one swallow and all that.

I think possibly, you might be underestimating our financial clout. And I know you want to blame "everything." We aren't backed in Brum territory, I doubt we're going to buy it. Hopefully he comes good.

We spent so much money with Evatt and Markham. It’s utterly infuriating but certainly the board have to face it up accept their mistake and now find a way to back Schumacher to sort it out. Simple as that for me. If they don’t want to then they shouldn’t be here either.

Glad it's simple as that.

What counts as the board facing it up? In money terms. I mean to get to your "15 players." I think was the tally mid-game? They'd have to cancel contracts and that's going to cost, before signing anyone.

And in case you missed it with the "shouldn't be here" part, last time around the next nearest alternative to this board (having just had Anderson) was fcuking Bassini. I'll stick thanks.

Facing it up is allowing Schumacher the same sort of financial backing the previous bloke got. Failure to do that would be criminal. Spend all your money with a charlatan get a good manager in and say ‘sorry that’s it’. We’ve been here before. That road leads to Bassini or Anderson - we all know it. This club is not sustainable in league one the owners via Neil Hart have admitted that.

So it’s not an option to just sit here and make an £11M loss season on season indeed - any sort of loss. Eventually we just end up broke in league one ready for new predatory owners.

So the only viable route left to increasing revenue is promotion. We may have to accept we can’t compete and come back down but if we can’t go up then what’s the point?

[Wrighty92]

Was a tough watch yesterday, the first half was like watching a Sunday league team. I think even if Orient and Reading now fluffed their final games and we somehow sneak into the playoffs, we aren't beating battling, well organised teams like Stockport or Charlton.
A conversation I was having with a couple of mates at the game yesterday was food for thought, interested to see what you guys think - is there anything to suggest that actually we'd be better set up for next season by finishing 7th/8th this season? The playoffs extends your season (shortening the summer break for the players and staff, or ousting back and shortening pre-season for the next season)... add to that the heartache of losing yet another playoffs campaign. Would we be better served missing out and focusing in those playoff weeks on who is staying and leaving, giving the players more of a break and Schuey and the new D.O.F more time to prepare for the new season with a better rested squad coming in to start pre-season and prepare for the new season.
No excuses for the boys but we look soft and tired, especially after these runs of multiple games in a few weeks. The Bristol Rovers loss was in that tiring run of mid week games and then we played stockport who had had no mid week game. Again yesterday we didn't look at it at all yet Barnsley did after their midweek rest (despite having nothing but pride to play for). I feel very conflicted atm about what i want but I'm fully behind Schuey and think with some changes, some better loan choices and actually allowing him to have a proper striker to work with, I'll be expectant of a much stronger BWFC come August

[Worthy4England]

Schumacher says it took us half an hour to make a tackle. Whatever is going on at least he tells it as it is unlike the last bloke…..

If he is given the chance to properly clear this out and sign proper replacements I do feel next season could be good. After all he’s done precisely this at Plymouth take a side that missed the play offs and won the league the next year.

In his BBC interview he says ‘4 games to go for the players to show what they are about - it looks like we are going to need a shake up if possible’.

Aye. Again in defeat Schumacher impresses me. No complaints with him at all.

Everything wrong is the players.

I'm not sure we get a huge clear out. How many are out of contract that aren't loans? About 4?

He'd impress me more if we didn't lose again this season.

Couldn’t care less about the rest of this season. Lose every game. Be fine.

The issue is the summer and next season. I suspect Sharon is going to have to write cheques to move them out. And it’s her own fault. We’ve taken players incapable of delivering what’s required for too much money. So now will have to pay them off - or make it clear they aren’t wanted and hope they trudge off somewhere.

It’s a big job but like I say he’s done it before.

I get he's done it before, but, one swallow and all that.

I think possibly, you might be underestimating our financial clout. And I know you want to blame "everything." We aren't backed in Brum territory, I doubt we're going to buy it. Hopefully he comes good.

We spent so much money with Evatt and Markham. It’s utterly infuriating but certainly the board have to face it up accept their mistake and now find a way to back Schumacher to sort it out. Simple as that for me. If they don’t want to then they shouldn’t be here either.

Glad it's simple as that.

What counts as the board facing it up? In money terms. I mean to get to your "15 players." I think was the tally mid-game? They'd have to cancel contracts and that's going to cost, before signing anyone.

And in case you missed it with the "shouldn't be here" part, last time around the next nearest alternative to this board (having just had Anderson) was fcuking Bassini. I'll stick thanks.

Facing it up is allowing Schumacher the same sort of financial backing the previous bloke got. Failure to do that would be criminal. Spend all your money with a charlatan get a good manager in and say ‘sorry that’s it’. We’ve been here before. That road leads to Bassini or Anderson - we all know it. This club is not sustainable in league one the owners via Neil Hart have admitted that.

So it’s not an option to just sit here and make an £11M loss season on season indeed - any sort of loss. Eventually we just end up broke in league one ready for new predatory owners.

So the only viable route left to increasing revenue is promotion. We may have to accept we can’t compete and come back down but if we can’t go up then what’s the point?

I reckon they'll back him. But Evatt was backed over 9 transfer windows. I'm trying to understand if you're thinking they're going to fund your 15 player clear out.

They backed a charlatan to the extent we missed out by a few points or one game...

[Worthy4England]

Was a tough watch yesterday, the first half was like watching a Sunday league team. I think even if Orient and Reading now fluffed their final games and we somehow sneak into the playoffs, we aren't beating battling, well organised teams like Stockport or Charlton.
A conversation I was having with a couple of mates at the game yesterday was food for thought, interested to see what you guys think - is there anything to suggest that actually we'd be better set up for next season by finishing 7th/8th this season? The playoffs extends your season (shortening the summer break for the players and staff, or ousting back and shortening pre-season for the next season)... add to that the heartache of losing yet another playoffs campaign. Would we be better served missing out and focusing in those playoff weeks on who is staying and leaving, giving the players more of a break and Schuey and the new D.O.F more time to prepare for the new season with a better rested squad coming in to start pre-season and prepare for the new season.
No excuses for the boys but we look soft and tired, especially after these runs of multiple games in a few weeks. The Bristol Rovers loss was in that tiring run of mid week games and then we played stockport who had had no mid week game. Again yesterday we didn't look at it at all yet Barnsley did after their midweek rest (despite having nothing but pride to play for). I feel very conflicted atm about what i want but I'm fully behind Schuey and think with some changes, some better loan choices and actually allowing him to have a proper striker to work with, I'll be expectant of a much stronger BWFC come August

I wouldn't be heartbroken if we missed out. Yesterday, and I know there were some enforced changes, second half looked like a school yard kick about in the second half...

[Harry Genshaw]

It's a good point Wrighty. I was of the belief, just get in the play offs and see what happens. Last seasons promoted duo, Pompey and Derby both missed out on the play offs the year before. Last seasons beaten 3, Us, Barnsley and Peterborough have all had shocking seasons. It's probably grasping at straws but let's wrap up the season as early as possible, get the out of contract players away and start our business and pre season preparation much earlier.

[dave the minion]

Here we go again. All our misery & woes are down to....

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos (how long into his long-awaited return did it take you to blame him by the way??.....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan.....
Sheehan / Santos / Evatt.....

Markham

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan....

Sharon and the board
by the way, I like SS

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....

Rinse & repeat. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again....

We get it. We've heard it. You don't need to keep saying it

Not been wrong though have I? Seems like everyone now saying the same things.

If only the owners had a clue a bit earlier we’d not be in this position.

OK then. Well done you. Have a cigar....

I'd also say thats one way of looking at it, and I'd also say you've hardly been spot on either. More like a stopped clock being right twice a day......

Evatt was apparently such a poor manager who couldn't get a tune out of the players. You seem to think SS is the second coming and our saviour, yet he can't seem to get a tune out of them either (and in some cases I've not seen us worse). I know they are not his players, so he can't be held fully accountable, but the same old problems prevail despite the change in gaffer.

Santos is now back to be your target once again - after 60 minutes of football in about 3 months. He wasn't great yesterday, but no worse than the rest, and our defensive frailties have been present for all the time he's been out, not just yesterday, so yesterday is squarely not on him. Its notable that you specifically picked him out for criticism and ignored the others - despite 2 of the other defenders being pulled before half time.

Can we try to add some balance to the recruitment & Markham. As we've said before, it's easy to focus on the "failures" whilst conveniently ignoring the successes - and even you can find plenty of successes if you allow yourself to. I know SS has to work with what Markham and the team have left him, but as I've said before, I can't think of too many signings that we as fans weren't behind at the time.....

As has been pointed out previously, whether you like the owners or not, they pulled us out of the abyss and the alternatives at the time - if we even still had a club to support - were the likes of Bassini et al, who I hardly think would have done a better job. They have had to rebuild the whole club from the bottom and have provided financial backing beyond any of widest dreams given where we were. Its maybe true they persevered with IE too long, but this was done deliberately and with the right intentions - hindsight tells us it might have been the wrong decision, but they won't be the first or last owners to make a wrong decision like this.

And on Sheehan - we've done this to death. He is NOT a bad or a soft player. Not one bit. At all. We are not making the most of him or our system prevents him being his best, but he's rated pretty damn well within the club, the league and the international setup - plenty of people in the game recognise his qualities and how good a player he is.

Things are far from good at the club, and whilst we've made good progress we still have so much more to do. I'm as disappointed/frustrated/angry/saddened as the rest of the fans, but I don't feel the need to point fingers and look for easy blame all the time. What's the point? I had the severe displeasure of being in the middle of the away end yesterday. The game was a shambles, the performance was non-existent, but I remain a supporter of our club. Some of the vitriol/anger/hatred/disgust that was directed at the players, especially at the end when they trudged down the tunnel was truly abhorrent. I know if you pay your money you are more than entitled to your opinion, but it was horrible to hear to be honest. As someone pointed out on here recently, I think a large minority of our fans need to look up the definition of "support"......

[dave the minion]

It's a good point Wrighty. I was of the belief, just get in the play offs and see what happens. Last seasons promoted duo, Pompey and Derby both missed out on the play offs the year before. Last seasons beaten 3, Us, Barnsley and Peterborough have all had shocking seasons. It's probably grasping at straws but let's wrap up the season as early as possible, get the out of contract players away and start our business and pre season preparation much earlier.

I say keep playing until the final whistle of the final game. The play offs extend the season by a few weeks at best, and surely SS needs as many real-life minutes as he can to fully assess his team. I'm sure the 16 who played yesterday look brilliant in training, yet then can capitulate like they did on match day.- SS needs to see this as much as possible to get the best view of who stays and who goes surely?

As a fan, how can we not want to get into the play offs? Let's sneak in and see what happens - there's no down side is there? Show some grit and determination and make sure decent fist of it and - god forbid - scrape through - then SS gets to see character and quality from his players. Get to the players and fall flat on our arses, then again, SS gets a better view of who isn't up for the fight and can prepare for next season accordingly.

If we don't want to get into the play offs - in fact if we don't want our team to win every single game they play - then what's the point - we may as well all ceremoniously burn our season tickets now and just not bother any more.....

[Worthy4England]

I don't think anyone is contemplating going out to lose, just that if it happens, there might be an upside...

[Harry Genshaw]

I don't think anyone is contemplating going out to lose, just that if it happens, there might be an upside...

Exactly that.

[Bertie Wooster]

Here we go again. All our misery & woes are down to....

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos (how long into his long-awaited return did it take you to blame him by the way??.....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan.....
Sheehan / Santos / Evatt.....

Markham

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....
Santos / Evatt / Sheehan....

Sharon and the board
by the way, I like SS

Evatt / Sheehan / Santos....

Rinse & repeat. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again....

We get it. We've heard it. You don't need to keep saying it

Not been wrong though have I? Seems like everyone now saying the same things.

If only the owners had a clue a bit earlier we’d not be in this position.

And on Sheehan - we've done this to death. He is NOT a bad or a soft player. Not one bit. At all. We are not making the most of him or our system prevents him being his best, but he's rated pretty damn well within the club, the league and the international setup - plenty of people in the game recognise his qualities and how good a player he is.

The game was a shambles, the performance was non-existent, but I remain a supporter of our club. Some of the vitriol/anger/hatred/disgust that was directed at the players, especially at the end when they trudged down the tunnel was truly abhorrent. I know if you pay your money you are more than entitled to your opinion, but it was horrible to hear to be honest. As someone pointed out on here recently, I think a large minority of our fans need to look up the definition of "support"......

On Sheehan if he's as good as you think hopefully we won't be short of suiters in the summer.

On the vitriol directed at the players - IMO they deserved everything they got from the fans, its not just us look at the videos of the Hudds fans giving their team stick after the Burton game, all we ask is that the players try, fight, put in 100% effort but yesterday and at numerous other times throughout this season this team & these players hid, shirked basic football requirements & didn't show any effort or desire and they certainly couldn't give a shite about the fans.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I think Schumacher will understand the character, flaws and good attributes of his players by now. I think Worthy sums it up best with his bag of bits. The odd player aside, they are all decent enough players for this level, but lacking as a group. All great sides have a player or two who probably shouldn't be in that side, but somehow helps to make it all tick. We're missing those players, along with an obvious number 9.

I think Schumacher will know who he'd ideally ship out and the types to bring in. Its a question now of finding clubs for those he doesn't want and identifying the players, affording and them wanting to come here. It won't all happen on one window, but I'm hoping we can do enough to have us competing at the top by January.