Here Wycombe again. At home to the other Wanderers. V the high flyers, Friday 18th Apr, 3-0 Clock.

[BWFC_Insane]

"We need better players in all over, physicality, characters in who know what it looks like to win" other SS comments

Where is this one from?

[Bertie Wooster]

"We need better players in all over, physicality, characters in who know what it looks like to win" other SS comments

Where is this one from?

https://x.com/i/status/1913294934049788133

[BWFC_Insane]

"We need better players in all over, physicality, characters in who know what it looks like to win" other SS comments

Where is this one from?

https://x.com/i/status/1913294934049788133

Thanks - he’s seriously pissed off and he’s only been here a few months. Imagine having to spend years watching this whilst being gaslit that these aren’t completely physically and mentally soft wasters.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Just watched the post match. Schuey is raging inside. Hope he does play the youngster next match. Maybe some of the players will start to get it.

[Armchair Wanderer]

They seem to play collectively some games but not others. It feels like the players don't want to get into the playoffs. Some of the strikers have met their (modest) goal targets for the season, players are saying they're sore and not playing because of that. Makes me wonder if they get paid extra for the playoffs, or not. Or, if they do get paid, maybe they don't need the money. Injuries happen, but terrible form happening right at the end of the season with (technically) something to play for just seems a bit odd. Almost like they don't want to get injured for the holidays, or there's an international tournament over the summer. One weak shot on target in the 90th minute sounds like they don't want to score.

[irie Cee Bee]

Finally got a chance to listen to Schuey. Yup, he is pissed and made it clear to everyone that the players he inherited don't have what it takes to get us out of the Division, even though we still have a chance to go up. That takes balls. The players are now very clear, if they never knew before, what he thinks about them having worked with them.

So, summer is the start of a new era. A clearout is on the cards. No more do I want to hear new players speaking with starlights in their eyes about how great a club we are and are happy to get a contract here, almost like they have found heaven. I just want them to show they are ready to spill their blood and guts to get us out of this hell. I hope the board backs him.

One question I have for him. Was he forced to sign Etete in desparation? I hope he was because if not, I would question his judgement or is it that after Randall, we can only shop at the cheap store?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Clearout isn’t as easy as just saying it. Loads of players contracted past summer. We could loan them out and cover wages but that would impact our own spending. As I’ve said elsewhere I hope Markham and Evatt end up at Huddersfield and come knocking for some players they believed in, because Schumacher will want an infusion and we might have to cut our losses.

As for Etete - that may have been not so much forced as rushed upon him. Maybe he had previously seen a player in Etete but it’s pretty well hidden now. Came on with a teenager today and looked the lesser player by a distance.

[BWFC_Insane]

Etete was watching the game three days before Schumacher was announced. He’d already had a medical. Like I said at the time it would be a big call to cancel a transfer that was basically done before you’ve even got the job. Imagine walking into a new job and before you’ve even started demanding they change allocation of resources before you’ve even got in there under the hood. It puts you in an awkward position especially as theoretically Markham who was doing the transfer was at the time going to be Schumacher’s boss in effect.

Listening to Schumacher on the Bolton FM Sport interview which can often be the most revealing given the controlled approach of the club ones and the clipped and edited style of the Bolton news and RM sport ones he is asked about ‘needing strength at the back’ to which he lets out an exasperated ‘we just need better players all over la’. Which I suspect is the best measure of mindset right now. Alongside his proclamation that we shouldn’t even be thinking about the league table as that has gone but should be trying to get a point to end this horror show of a run.

He’s now come out and said everything about the players a few of us have said for a couple of years now. Maybe all the supposed managers who think these players are the best in the division (as a few have tried to point out) will save us and take them off our hands. I won’t be holding my breath.

[Worthy4England]

There'll be no problem for us to sell. They're all better than average investments in the big red book of "How to build a football club."

[Bertie Wooster]

We need to get rid of the short socks brigade.

[BWFC_Insane]

We need to get rid of the short socks brigade.

Shouldn’t matter but it does. It’s so utterly infuriating seeing no marks taking the money out of the club acting like they’ve made it without any success in their careers whatsoever.

I know it’s irrational but it just makes it even worse.

[DJBlu]

Thinking about the post match comments,

Schumacher has gone through the management book of team leading.

He's at the phase of saying they aren't good enough in the hope that they'll rise to the challenge. Me vs them.

Sadly, this lot are too thick to think like that. It's almost as if they live in another world.

One thing his comments have done is keep the fans onside as he's saying it as it is.

Unlike Evatt he doesn't mince his words and gives facts. I think Evatt saying changing me won't change them players is starting to ring true. I do wonder how much input he had on individuals, was it a "This is my style, I need x,y,z, go and find me someone please" or was he the one who went for specific targets?

Anyways, we're here again next season so hopefully we can claw back some cash for these players as in a team that can carry them they'll probably be really good.

[Prufrock]

-1 goal difference is pathetic. Roll on the summer and the threshing machine.

[The_Gun]

We need to get rid of the short socks brigade.

Shouldn’t matter but it does. It’s so utterly infuriating seeing no marks taking the money out of the club acting like they’ve made it without any success in their careers whatsoever.

I know it’s irrational but it just makes it even worse.

If this triggers you, prepare yourself for a lot of annoyance over the coming years.

[Worthy4England]

Therein lies the problem with the DOF model, for me. Last utterance I heard from him on the failsafe system was something along the lines of "Me, Chris, Ludanautics and Sharon all need to be happy before we sign someone."

I think that's like having a no throat to choke committee, albeit you'd think Sharon was mainly looking at the cheque, rather than the spreadsheet.

Also in an interview with Markham about what appealed in the Bolton job, he said "no real change control," as in easier at Bolton than most places because at the time we didn't have a load of over paid bad assets. He did well to sort that out.

It's very frustrating and here we are again with a head coach...

[Bertie Wooster]

We need to get rid of the short socks brigade.

Shouldn’t matter but it does. It’s so utterly infuriating seeing no marks taking the money out of the club acting like they’ve made it without any success in their careers whatsoever.

I know it’s irrational but it just makes it even worse.

If this triggers you, prepare yourself for a lot of annoyance over the coming years.

I wouldn't say that it triggers me (whatever that really means), I just think at league 1 level in a team that has a soft, weak mentality levelled at them, to turn up like show ponies with your low socks round near your ankles gives the wrong impression. Don't get me wrong over the years some great attacking players have played with their socks down - I seem to recall the likes of Stan Bowles, Gerd Muller and lately Grealish etc. but these are proven players not league 1 wannabes

[BWFC_Insane]

Therein lies the problem with the DOF model, for me. Last utterance I heard from him on the failsafe system was something along the lines of "Me, Chris, Ludanautics and Sharon all need to be happy before we sign someone."

I think that's like having a no throat to choke committee, albeit you'd think Sharon was mainly looking at the cheque, rather than the spreadsheet.

Also in an interview with Markham about what appealed in the Bolton job, he said "no real change control," as in easier at Bolton than most places because at the time we didn't have a load of over paid bad assets. He did well to sort that out.

It's very frustrating and here we are again with a head coach...

The thing is I actually don’t think that matters with Schumacher. He’s going to say what he feels we need and I suspect will make it very clear if he’s unable to make that happen.

A model where a DoF has a team who identify potential players and present them as options to a head coach is fine I think. Where players are signed without a head coach having a say is problematic. And it was only really problematic because evatt’s character was to try and blame everyone else. I suspect it’s administratively too much work for a manager to oversee the first team and recruitment teams these days given they are much larger than they used to be.

I would instinctively prefer a manager who does the whole lot - but speaking to those in the game and those who were in the game it’s not really practical anymore. Allardyce might have been the top overseer for example but much of the work was done by Mike Forde and his team. And you could call the lines of responsibility clearer maybe but that didn’t stop Sharon sacking a coach to try and save Evatt - nor would it I think have stopped that sort of thing historically. It’s not like when you have a head scout and a few other scouts who basically are like freelance employees mates of the manager. You have full analysis teams, data bods and then the negotiation and contract side. Asking a manager to effectively line manage all that on top of the first team and larger coaching backroom setups is I’m told simply not realistic anymore. And wasn’t even when managers were still called managers - Allardyce would say more or less that he had a similar setup just inverted. He carried the can but had a much of staff he trusted to actually do the do.

[BWFC_Insane]

We need to get rid of the short socks brigade.

Shouldn’t matter but it does. It’s so utterly infuriating seeing no marks taking the money out of the club acting like they’ve made it without any success in their careers whatsoever.

I know it’s irrational but it just makes it even worse.

If this triggers you, prepare yourself for a lot of annoyance over the coming years.

Well sure. Modern football and footballers are generally not very likable. But they can do what they like but have to deliver. Acting the big I am yet failing spectacularly to be another other than shit lower league nobodies is embarrassing or should be embarrassing for them.

They don’t want to put in the work needed to become the best players they can. They just want it handed to them on a plate so act as though they are already. Their mentality is horrendous. They should all be not having a summer off and instead working day in day out to actually improve their game to league one standard. If they had anything at all about them they’d do that voluntarily. Take two weeks holiday like everyone else then graft their bollocks off. But not one of them will do that. Not one.

[Worthy4England]

Therein lies the problem with the DOF model, for me. Last utterance I heard from him on the failsafe system was something along the lines of "Me, Chris, Ludanautics and Sharon all need to be happy before we sign someone."

I think that's like having a no throat to choke committee, albeit you'd think Sharon was mainly looking at the cheque, rather than the spreadsheet.

Also in an interview with Markham about what appealed in the Bolton job, he said "no real change control," as in easier at Bolton than most places because at the time we didn't have a load of over paid bad assets. He did well to sort that out.

It's very frustrating and here we are again with a head coach...

The thing is I actually don’t think that matters with Schumacher. He’s going to say what he feels we need and I suspect will make it very clear if he’s unable to make that happen.

A model where a DoF has a team who identify potential players and present them as options to a head coach is fine I think. Where players are signed without a head coach having a say is problematic. And it was only really problematic because evatt’s character was to try and blame everyone else. I suspect it’s administratively too much work for a manager to oversee the first team and recruitment teams these days given they are much larger than they used to be.

I would instinctively prefer a manager who does the whole lot - but speaking to those in the game and those who were in the game it’s not really practical anymore. Allardyce might have been the top overseer for example but much of the work was done by Mike Forde and his team. And you could call the lines of responsibility clearer maybe but that didn’t stop Sharon sacking a coach to try and save Evatt - nor would it I think have stopped that sort of thing historically. It’s not like when you have a head scout and a few other scouts who basically are like freelance employees mates of the manager. You have full analysis teams, data bods and then the negotiation and contract side. Asking a manager to effectively line manage all that on top of the first team and larger coaching backroom setups is I’m told simply not realistic anymore. And wasn’t even when managers were still called managers - Allardyce would say more or less that he had a similar setup just inverted. He carried the can but had a much of staff he trusted to actually do the do.

I have zero problem with there being people who look after elements of running the club. Just the notion that the buck has to stop somewhere.

[BWFC_Insane]

Therein lies the problem with the DOF model, for me. Last utterance I heard from him on the failsafe system was something along the lines of "Me, Chris, Ludanautics and Sharon all need to be happy before we sign someone."

I think that's like having a no throat to choke committee, albeit you'd think Sharon was mainly looking at the cheque, rather than the spreadsheet.

Also in an interview with Markham about what appealed in the Bolton job, he said "no real change control," as in easier at Bolton than most places because at the time we didn't have a load of over paid bad assets. He did well to sort that out.

It's very frustrating and here we are again with a head coach...

The thing is I actually don’t think that matters with Schumacher. He’s going to say what he feels we need and I suspect will make it very clear if he’s unable to make that happen.

A model where a DoF has a team who identify potential players and present them as options to a head coach is fine I think. Where players are signed without a head coach having a say is problematic. And it was only really problematic because evatt’s character was to try and blame everyone else. I suspect it’s administratively too much work for a manager to oversee the first team and recruitment teams these days given they are much larger than they used to be.

I would instinctively prefer a manager who does the whole lot - but speaking to those in the game and those who were in the game it’s not really practical anymore. Allardyce might have been the top overseer for example but much of the work was done by Mike Forde and his team. And you could call the lines of responsibility clearer maybe but that didn’t stop Sharon sacking a coach to try and save Evatt - nor would it I think have stopped that sort of thing historically. It’s not like when you have a head scout and a few other scouts who basically are like freelance employees mates of the manager. You have full analysis teams, data bods and then the negotiation and contract side. Asking a manager to effectively line manage all that on top of the first team and larger coaching backroom setups is I’m told simply not realistic anymore. And wasn’t even when managers were still called managers - Allardyce would say more or less that he had a similar setup just inverted. He carried the can but had a much of staff he trusted to actually do the do.

I have zero problem with there being people who look after elements of running the club. Just the notion that the buck has to stop somewhere.

Ultimately the buck stops with Sharon. She’s running it. The leaders of the football side and the commercial side are all her appointments and report to her.