Here Wycombe again. At home to the other Wanderers. V the high flyers, Friday 18th Apr, 3-0 Clock.

[BWFC_Insane]

If the structure is so bloody clear. Maybe you can answer the questions I asked about it?

In terms of the specifics the person who can answer your questions in detail is Sharon. Nobody else can. Given she defines those roles and their specifics in the club.

I can give you a read but it would be no more helpful than your own I don’t think.

But the JDs - Sharon’s. And they report to her.

That'd be a no then. Which was the whole of my fcuking point.

Why would anyone need to know those details? Outside of decision makers?

Because if fans are going to go round demanding heads roll, when things aren't going right, it'd be good to know you're shouting for the removal of the correct cranium.

I mean you have on occasion, suggested people need removing from the payroll.

Doesn’t matter though does it because fans aren’t making the decisions.

[TANGODANCER]

Meanwhile, "Let's go with what we've got" still needs a consideration. A decent win changes minds faster than a classy loss every time, and the title G.O.A.T is more flexible in direction than a Baxter goal kick.

Jog on regardless..

[Worthy4England]

Fans certainly influence a few decisions and talk about it on here, plenty. You going to stop.giving us insight as to who gets sacked or sold, because it doesn't matter because you're not making the decisions? Not seen much evidence of that from fans...

[Harry Genshaw]

I've every faith in Schumacher, like the cut of his jib and post match analysis but I'd like to see more evidence on the pitch, of his coaching methods bearing fruit. They're not his players, we've a full injury list but I'm still seeing us concede goals like the 1st one on Friday - set piece, is Collins marking a zone or have we really chosen him to counter the aerial threat of Caleb Taylor? A few minutes before they had a set piece on the same side that went to an unmarked bloke on the edge of our box. Fortunately, he made a dogs dinner of it but have we learnt nothing from the occasions this happened under Evatt?

I appreciate I probably don't understand modern football but if you always have the whole team back for defensive set pieces, how is it they have players who are unmarked?

[BWFC_Insane]

Fans certainly influence a few decisions and talk about it on here, plenty. You going to stop.giving us insight as to who gets sacked or sold, because it doesn't matter because you're not making the decisions? Not seen much evidence of that from fans...

Fans can have opinions and voice them and indeed they should. But who makes the decision to appoint a director of football and a head coach? It wasn’t the fans decision.

[Worthy4England]

Fans certainly influence a few decisions and talk about it on here, plenty. You going to stop.giving us insight as to who gets sacked or sold, because it doesn't matter because you're not making the decisions? Not seen much evidence of that from fans...

Fans can have opinions and voice them and indeed they should. But who makes the decision to appoint a director of football and a head coach? It wasn’t the fans decision.

You're arguing a completely different point to the one I was asking. Dunno why.

[irie Cee Bee]

I've every faith in Schumacher, like the cut of his jib and post match analysis but I'd like to see more evidence on the pitch, of his coaching methods bearing fruit. They're not his players, we've a full injury list but I'm still seeing us concede goals like the 1st one on Friday - set piece, is Collins marking a zone or have we really chosen him to counter the aerial threat of Caleb Taylor? A few minutes before they had a set piece on the same side that went to an unmarked bloke on the edge of our box. Fortunately, he made a dogs dinner of it but have we learnt nothing from the occasions this happened under Evatt?

I appreciate I probably don't understand modern football but if you always have the whole team back for defensive set pieces, how is it they have players who are unmarked?

Exactly where I am also. Derby made us solid. In the months under Schuey, has the team improved or got worse? We are in a results game. I will give him a pass until after summer, but he will be judged not by the players, but by results after that.

[BWFC_Insane]

Fans certainly influence a few decisions and talk about it on here, plenty. You going to stop.giving us insight as to who gets sacked or sold, because it doesn't matter because you're not making the decisions? Not seen much evidence of that from fans...

Fans can have opinions and voice them and indeed they should. But who makes the decision to appoint a director of football and a head coach? It wasn’t the fans decision.

You're arguing a completely different point to the one I was asking. Dunno why.

I feel that you are trying to skate round the fact that the structure is Sharon’s. Her choice. Her appointments. If it’s unclear (to you) then it’s down to Sharon. Whether that matters or not I don’t know. But Sharon is deciding we need these posts. So when or if it goes wrong she will decide why and what needs doing.

Whether the fans knowing it was the coach or the sporting director or whatever at fault matters I don’t know. But if for example the roles internally are unclear, something that would matter, that is on who is running the club. I’ve not seen much evidence that is the case but we will see.

[Worthy4England]

I've every faith in Schumacher, like the cut of his jib and post match analysis but I'd like to see more evidence on the pitch, of his coaching methods bearing fruit. They're not his players, we've a full injury list but I'm still seeing us concede goals like the 1st one on Friday - set piece, is Collins marking a zone or have we really chosen him to counter the aerial threat of Caleb Taylor? A few minutes before they had a set piece on the same side that went to an unmarked bloke on the edge of our box. Fortunately, he made a dogs dinner of it but have we learnt nothing from the occasions this happened under Evatt?

I appreciate I probably don't understand modern football but if you always have the whole team back for defensive set pieces, how is it they have players who are unmarked?

Exactly where I am also. Derby made us solid. In the months under Schuey, has the team improved or got worse? We are in a results game. I will give him a pass until after summer, but he will be judged not by the players, but by results after that.

The year he went up with Plymouth, I think they we second leakiest teams in top 7/8. Just not as disasterously so as us, currently.

[Worthy4England]

Fans certainly influence a few decisions and talk about it on here, plenty. You going to stop.giving us insight as to who gets sacked or sold, because it doesn't matter because you're not making the decisions? Not seen much evidence of that from fans...

Fans can have opinions and voice them and indeed they should. But who makes the decision to appoint a director of football and a head coach? It wasn’t the fans decision.

You're arguing a completely different point to the one I was asking. Dunno why.

I feel that you are trying to skate round the fact that the structure is Sharon’s. Her choice. Her appointments. If it’s unclear (to you) then it’s down to Sharon. Whether that matters or not I don’t know. But Sharon is deciding we need these posts. So when or if it goes wrong she will decide why and what needs doing.

Whether the fans knowing it was the coach or the sporting director or whatever at fault matters I don’t know. But if for example the roles internally are unclear, something that would matter, that is on who is running the club. I’ve not seen much evidence that is the case but we will see.

Not at all. Sharon makes the final call. Markham ran the leg work to get Schumacher. Given you like Schumacher, is that a great call by Sharon?

[BWFC_Insane]

Fans certainly influence a few decisions and talk about it on here, plenty. You going to stop.giving us insight as to who gets sacked or sold, because it doesn't matter because you're not making the decisions? Not seen much evidence of that from fans...

Fans can have opinions and voice them and indeed they should. But who makes the decision to appoint a director of football and a head coach? It wasn’t the fans decision.

You're arguing a completely different point to the one I was asking. Dunno why.

I feel that you are trying to skate round the fact that the structure is Sharon’s. Her choice. Her appointments. If it’s unclear (to you) then it’s down to Sharon. Whether that matters or not I don’t know. But Sharon is deciding we need these posts. So when or if it goes wrong she will decide why and what needs doing.

Whether the fans knowing it was the coach or the sporting director or whatever at fault matters I don’t know. But if for example the roles internally are unclear, something that would matter, that is on who is running the club. I’ve not seen much evidence that is the case but we will see.

Not at all. Sharon makes the final call. Markham ran the leg work to get Schumacher. Given you like Schumacher, is that a great call by Sharon?

I think it was her choice tbh. Markham may have run the process and even advised but given he was a few weeks later on his arse then I assume that Sharon made those decisions. But regardless yes if it works out then Sharon absolutely gets the credit same the other way.

But my point more broadly is we are only doing what every other football club is.

[jmjhb]

Sharon is more hands-off than what has been described in this thread FYI

[Worthy4England]

So my take is this. Sharon put together the consortium that rescued us, certainly after Parminder Basran moved off. Michael and Prescott dumped money in before Anderson iirc. Sharon extended the investor base and has a minority shareholding vs rest of the Board. Appointing Evatt wasn't a bad move, got us up year 1. She recogbised Phoenix wasn't right for us, appointed Markham. We got a couple of Wembley trips one good one not good. She probably supported Evatt too long. Much more on the credit side than debit side for most of her time.

She doesn't / didn't write our football strategy, Markham did. He tells us that. I'm not persuaded that DoF is a great approach no matter how many Clubs adopt it. We still ran an £11m defecit last season. I've not noticed a lot of big money sales. And no one can apparently tell us who does what.

[Worthy4England]

Sharon is more hands-off than what has been described in this thread FYI

Don't for one minute doubt that. What's being suggested is absolute fcuking nonesense.

[BWFC_Insane]

So my take is this. Sharon put together the consortium that rescued us, certainly after Parminder Basran moved off. Michael and Prescott dumped money in before Anderson iirc. Sharon extended the investor base and has a minority shareholding vs rest of the Board. Appointing Evatt wasn't a bad move, got us up year 1. She recogbised Phoenix wasn't right for us, appointed Markham. We got a couple of Wembley trips one good one not good. She probably supported Evatt too long. Much more on the credit side than debit side for most of her time.

She doesn't / didn't write our football strategy, Markham did. He tells us that. I'm not persuaded that DoF is a great approach no matter how many Clubs adopt it. We still ran an £11m defecit last season. I've not noticed a lot of big money sales. And no one can apparently tell us who does what.

If we take what was said in long form interviews Evatt said how he wanted to play and described the sorts he needed and Markham found them. So I’d say Evatt prescribed the football strategy and Markham tried to ensure it could be executed. But Evatt had title of manager.

[Worthy4England]

Great. So we ignore what Markham said coz it doesn't suit your spin. Got it. It's like having our very own Donald.

[BWFC_Insane]

Great. So we ignore what Markham said coz it doesn't suit your spin. Got it. It's like having our very own Donald.

I wouldn’t ignore it - I am just not sure that it really was that contradictory. Evatt was pre Markham already talking about how he wanted the club to play and explained a few times how he and Markham worked together. Not sure I agree that there is a big difference.

I guess there are three broad types of these sorts of arrangements

1) DoF is lead, dictates how to play dictates signings. Head coach literally just coaches whatever first team they are given.
2) DoF creates a broader football plan across club from u18s up. Head coach dictates first team play and plans and works with DoF to sign players.
3) DoF is more or less an administrative role operating for rather than with or on top of a manager/head coach.

My read fwiw is we’ve been at 2 the whole time. But we have an insider who can correct this if they are able to.

[Worthy4England]

Don't disagree with your categorisation. So if anyone could explain where the buck stops, within that pretty narrow field, I'd be delighted. As it happens, I genuinely dunno.

I think we've been somewhere around 2. Too. It just feels like no bugger is actually on the hook, so we have a swipe at Shaz.

[Armchair Wanderer]

Have we learnt anything from this? I'm hoping they learn the right lessons, not the wrong lessons.

Ladies/women did the league/cup double today. It's technically women's football, but BWFC actually has a women's football team this year. Some decent players! Thought I'd mention some good news.

[BWFC_Insane]

Don't disagree with your categorisation. So if anyone could explain where the buck stops, within that pretty narrow field, I'd be delighted. As it happens, I genuinely dunno.

I think we've been somewhere around 2. Too. It just feels like no bugger is actually on the hook, so we have a swipe at Shaz.

I guess both were sacked…..ultimately.