Pre-season 2025

[Prufrock]

Dalby has never had a hamstring injury in his career, a couple of days into pre season with us and bang.

I know it can happen anytime, but questions need to be asked about the BWFC training methods and intensity for 2 x players to get hamstring injuries a couple of days into pre season - surely they should be eased back not straight into high intensity training ?

You’re already querying Schuey’s training methods?

I said BWFC training methods not SS specifically, I'm sure its not all on SS he will have fitness staff who oversee the high intensity stuff.

I think it's a reasonable question, mate. This has been going on for a while with new signings and I agree that Schumacher unlikely to be creating individual training plans. Given the Dalby amongst the first to be recruited under Schumacher, he might not have twigged it's been a long term problem (not talking about people pulling hammy's in a match etc.). The number we lose to hammy within the first week or so of signing is a problem for us.

I don't really get this. It's a completely new staff. The only possible continuity between regimes is the ground they're training on and from what I can work out they're on their jollies anyway.

Everyone gets injuries, but unless the badge is cursed we're on a new broom (FWIW I think there's enough to say the last regime were doing something wrong, but the new new lot, feck knows)

[Mar]

Dalby has never had a hamstring injury in his career, a couple of days into pre season with us and bang.

I know it can happen anytime, but questions need to be asked about the BWFC training methods and intensity for 2 x players to get hamstring injuries a couple of days into pre season - surely they should be eased back not straight into high intensity training ?

You’re already querying Schuey’s training methods?

I said BWFC training methods not SS specifically, I'm sure its not all on SS he will have fitness staff who oversee the high intensity stuff.

I think it's a reasonable question, mate. This has been going on for a while with new signings and I agree that Schumacher unlikely to be creating individual training plans. Given the Dalby amongst the first to be recruited under Schumacher, he might not have twigged it's been a long term problem (not talking about people pulling hammy's in a match etc.). The number we lose to hammy within the first week or so of signing is a problem for us.

I don't really get this. It's a completely new staff. The only possible continuity between regimes is the ground they're training on and from what I can work out they're on their jollies anyway.

Everyone gets injuries, but unless the badge is cursed we're on a new broom (FWIW I think there's enough to say the last regime were doing something wrong, but the new new lot, feck knows)

I would imagine that we have a set training programme that was created prior to Schumacher coming aboard and that has just persisted without really raising any red flags. These injuries could easily be dismissed as 'unfortunate' or 'bad luck', but it may be more indicative of how we're training and the intensity it puts on certain parts of the body.

It's become some what of a running joke that we'll sign someone and they'll be out injured pretty much straight away.

I suspect that we're just persisting with training programmes until the penny drops on the medic teams. After all we're likely using data science to indicate how they should be training.

[Prufrock]

I would be astonished if that was the case. New staff will absolutely have come with their own programme.

Seems pretty clear we've previously recruited people who are made of glass, so Forester is no surprise. Dalby more likely just one of those things. Certainly not enough evidence yet to suggest it's a problem with the new broom.

[Worthy4England]

I would be astonished if that was the case. New staff will absolutely have come with their own programme.

Seems pretty clear we've previously recruited people who are made of glass, so Forester is no surprise. Dalby more likely just one of those things. Certainly not enough evidence yet to suggest it's a problem with the new broom.

I agree in the main, Pru, I suspect at the top level, people will have their own programme, but just sometimes, there's a bit of it that slips through the cracks as the new replaces the old, maybe they just let "week 1," stay as it was, because it shouldn't impact their "12 week pre-season plan", fundamentally. For sure, Forester not a huge surprise to be visiting the injury table and Dalby could be one of those things - I'd sort of expect from (what are we up to? 6? signings), maybe 2 or more to crash with something. Maybe they looked at what happened with Sam and made a change - who knows.

Disappointing, but like you say no clear evidence at the moment.

[The_Gun]

Amen, Pru.

In my experience, fans of pretty much all clubs think their players get too many injuries, and fitness staff/training regimes often get blamed.

[Bertie Wooster]

Amen, Pru.

In my experience, fans of pretty much all clubs think their players get too many injuries, and fitness staff/training regimes often get blamed.

So Dalby who has never had any hamstring issues in his career, gets a hamstring injury 2 days into pre season at Lostock - which I'm sure that SS said in his latest interview may be because of fatigue - 2 days into pre season.

[The_Gun]

Amen, Pru.

In my experience, fans of pretty much all clubs think their players get too many injuries, and fitness staff/training regimes often get blamed.

So Dalby who has never had any hamstring issues in his career, gets a hamstring injury 2 days into pre season at Lostock - which I'm sure that SS said in his latest interview may be because of fatigue - 2 days into pre season.

Do you track injuries at other clubs? If not, you're just pissing in the wind here.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

FFS. I did my first hammy after over 20 years of playing sport. It happens sometimes. Ironically, when I did mine the first time I'd probably warmed up better than usual. I put it down to a slight slope and the onset of becoming an old fart

[BWFC_Insane]

A lot of the injuries we’ve had historically in training at least to my memory have been contact injuries. I feel that during the season we should often be on non or low contact training. I know modern way is for training at high intensity throughout and contact throughout but I do wonder sometimes.

The thing with muscle injuries pre season is that I think there is likely less you can do. Though a scientific approach is best I believe we are moving in that direction now more generally.

Forrester is a recurrence of the tendon injury he has so that sounds like a longer term issue that was never resolved properly. I fear for him as those sorts of hamstring injuries can plague a career.

[BWFC_Insane]

Amen, Pru.

In my experience, fans of pretty much all clubs think their players get too many injuries, and fitness staff/training regimes often get blamed.

So Dalby who has never had any hamstring issues in his career, gets a hamstring injury 2 days into pre season at Lostock - which I'm sure that SS said in his latest interview may be because of fatigue - 2 days into pre season.

You can strain your hamstring running for the bus with zero fatigue. It’s probably a bit unlucky.

If anything maybe they should look at the surfaces they train on but I think it’s likely that there isn’t a lot a league one side can do to prevent muscle injuries like this. Even the top end of the game with all the money there haven’t really gone much beyond the cryotherapy and prevention stuff that was de rigour 15 years ago.