If you want to pay more tax..

InsaneApache · Post by **InsaneApache** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:56 am

Don't sign here....

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

superjohnmcginlay · Post by **superjohnmcginlay** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:58 am

Already done.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:00 pm

Weeks ago

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:23 pm

Done it here too. once my daughter has left home am emigrating anyway

Lennon · Post by **Lennon** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:42 pm

Sheep.

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:26 pm

Raven wrote:Done it here too. once my daughter has left home am emigrating anyway

Where to?

communistworkethic · Post by **communistworkethic** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:19 pm

unfortunately it won't have any effect. Our dictatorial leader has already stated his mind is made up and charging will happen.

"New Labour - we don't give a f*ck what you say until it's time to actually vote"

Equaly you could insert and political party in this slogan but New Labour are synical enough to suggest that they actually want to know your opinions.

Simmy · Post by **Simmy** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:10 pm

InsaneApache wrote:Don't sign here....

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

...and vote labour!

cowdrill · Post by **cowdrill** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:27 pm

i aint signing

i think its a great idea

Gertie · Post by **Gertie** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:02 am

communistworkethic wrote:unfortunately it won't have any effect. Our dictatorial leader has already stated his mind is made up and charging will happen.

"New Labour - we don't give a f*ck what you say until it's time to actually vote"

Equaly you could insert and political party in this slogan but New Labour are synical enough to suggest that they actually want to know your opinions.

cynical with an "s" what is the world coming to Commie????? I'm and outrageous with indignitations.

(or is there really a word synical and I now look a wally????)

communistworkethic · Post by **communistworkethic** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:55 pm

Gertie wrote:
communistworkethic wrote:unfortunately it won't have any effect. Our dictatorial leader has already stated his mind is made up and charging will happen.

"New Labour - we don't give a f*ck what you say until it's time to actually vote"

Equaly you could insert and political party in this slogan but New Labour are synical enough to suggest that they actually want to know your opinions.
cynical with an "s" what is the world coming to Commie????? I'm and outrageous with indignitations.

(or is there really a word synical and I now look a wally????)

half-cocked attempt at headline punnery, whatever.

anyway check out theis bollocks from his holiness Tony Blair.....

Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.

This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.

It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.

That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.

But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.

One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.

Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.

Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.

But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.

One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.

A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.

Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.

That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.

It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.

I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.

Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.

Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.

We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Blair

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:56 pm

Aye I got that one too.

The man is a ball-less chimp.

blurred · Post by **blurred** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:37 pm

Handy little email harvester for Number 10, that. Expect to get a couple of emails from Tone around election time...

keveh · Post by **keveh** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:45 pm

My Dad was complaining about that e-mail last night, not about the content, but about how Tony Blair he had signed it "Yours sincerely" when he hadn't addresses my dad by his name.

InsaneApache · Post by **InsaneApache** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:12 pm

are you insinuating that Bliar isn't sincere?

a1 · Post by a1 » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:22 pm

InsaneApache wrote:are you insinuating that Bliar isn't sincere?

no , i think your not supposed to end letter with sincerely if you dont address the person by name , or summert ..

similar to when people mung somebodies name after they got voted for .. LOLZORED !!

Batman · Post by **Batman** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:14 am

CrazyHorse · Post by **CrazyHorse** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:48 am

keveh wrote:My Dad was complaining about that e-mail last night, not about the content, but about how Tony Blair he had signed it "Yours sincerely" when he hadn't addresses my dad by his name.

Well if the prime minister can't change the rules of written English etiquette, who can?

On a serious note, it is clear that our roads are more than adequate for like 90% of the time; it's just mainly during rush hour that they are stretched beyond capacity and that people don't choose to use them then, they use them because they have to, to get to work and back.

If you ask me, surely a simple FREE solution would be to try and stagger people's start/end time for their working day and also to encourage more people to work from home and things like that? Personally I could work from home at least 3-4 days a week and save myself at least two hours a day sitting in traffic jams on the various motorways of the northwest.

But then again, a FREE solution doesn't generate yet another stealth tax does it Mr Blair?

Zulus Thousand of em · Post by **Zulus Thousand of em** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:50 am

I do work from home - have done now for two years. It's the way forward, believe me.

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:56 am

[quote="CrazyHorse... it is clear that our roads are more than adequate for like 90% of the time; it's just mainly during rush hour that they are stretched beyond capacity and that people don't choose to use them then, they use them because they have to, to get to work and back.[/quote]
... & life would be massively relieved if they reversed the alarming trend to take perfectly suitable roads & reduce their capacity. Dual carrageways & wide roads made single by a vast array of lines, hatchings, bollards & barrier (Moss Bank Way & Chorley New Road for example) ... and the DELIBERATE setting of traffic lights to slow down traffic flow in an attempt to force people onto busses. Bus lanes which sit empty 99% of the time yet reduce road capacity.

Rant, rage, sulk, pout.