ALLARDYCE APPOINTED NEWCASTLE MANAGER

[durham_wanderer]

I think Sam will regret the day he left Bolton to move onto "better things" like so many players/managers have done before him.

Didn't Michael Ricketts leave Bolton for a better club?

Add to that Thompson, Rioch, Curcic etc. Gudjohnson has been the only 1 really to do well for himself!!

[bw@bw]

If allardyce does end up at Newcastle I think he will regret it very quickly. I live amongst geordies and the thing that seperates them from other fans in the prem is that they demand SO much from their team. I really don't think mid-table and the standard allardyce style of football will be good enough for them and he's gonna struggle to get much more than that with that group of players. Added to that the fact he's gonna have the interfering Shephard to deal with instead of Gartside and I think Sam will regret the day he left Bolton to move onto "better things" like so many players/managers have done before him.

The Geordies don't realise how lucky they are.

Sam will make them into CL regulars within 3 years.

Like Benitez he will do it defence first. He will buy functional players to stop the oppositon and organise them brilliantly.
So tell them just to count the points next year, not the thrills.

Then he will build on that platform and create a real football team. Proving himself to be the best English born manager since Brian Clough.

And that will put the wind up a few billionaires.

Within 5 years he will get the England job and hand over to his assistant Alan Shearer.

[Bwfcraig]

If allardyce does end up at Newcastle I think he will regret it very quickly. I live amongst geordies and the thing that seperates them from other fans in the prem is that they demand SO much from their team. I really don't think mid-table and the standard allardyce style of football will be good enough for them and he's gonna struggle to get much more than that with that group of players. Added to that the fact he's gonna have the interfering Shephard to deal with instead of Gartside and I think Sam will regret the day he left Bolton to move onto "better things" like so many players/managers have done before him.

The Geordies don't realise how lucky they are.

Sam will make them into CL regulars within 3 years.

Like Benitez he will do it defence first. He will buy functional players to stop the oppositon and organise them brilliantly.
So tell them just to count the points next year, not the thrills.

Then he will build on that platform and create a real football team. Proving himself to be the best English born manager since Brian Clough.

And that will put the wind up a few billionaires.

Within 5 years he will get the England job and hand over to his assistant Alan Shearer.

Agreed, if Sam cant help Newcastle find some of their lost potential then i doubt many other high achieving managers can.

[H. Pedersen]

The Geordies don't realise how lucky they are.

Sam will make them into CL regulars within 3 years.

Like Benitez he will do it defence first. He will buy functional players to stop the oppositon and organise them brilliantly.
So tell them just to count the points next year, not the thrills.

Then he will build on that platform and create a real football team. Proving himself to be the best English born manager since Brian Clough.

And that will put the wind up a few billionaires.

Within 5 years he will get the England job and hand over to his assistant Alan Shearer.

Disagree strongly with that defence point, at least if ours is anything to go by. He refused to buy fullbacks, and couldn't stop us from leaking goals like a sieve in 2007. Unless he can make some cash on some of their more expensive bonehead signings, he won't have the money to strengthen their backline anyway.

[bw@bw]

The Geordies don't realise how lucky they are.

Sam will make them into CL regulars within 3 years.

Like Benitez he will do it defence first. He will buy functional players to stop the oppositon and organise them brilliantly.
So tell them just to count the points next year, not the thrills.

Then he will build on that platform and create a real football team. Proving himself to be the best English born manager since Brian Clough.

And that will put the wind up a few billionaires.

Within 5 years he will get the England job and hand over to his assistant Alan Shearer.

Disagree strongly with that defence point, at least if ours is anything to go by. He refused to buy fullbacks, and couldn't stop us from leaking goals like a sieve in 2007. Unless he can make some cash on some of their more expensive bonehead signings, he won't have the money to strengthen their backline anyway.

Short memories again.

Since we came up we have not scored 50 goals in a PL season.

For the last 3 months our defence has been a sieve.

For the previous 3 seasons we leaked about 1.2 goals per game.

Better than all except the moneybags 4.

It is our defence (first line being SKD) and our system that has got us into the top half regularly

[Tombwfc]

Isn't having a good defence the keystone to our success? The last 6 months doesn't cancel out 8 years where our defence has been our strongpoint. And scoring goals was the problem. Newcastle are the opposite, so you'd say it was perfect for Big Sam.

And the idea that there was a glut of Premiership class full backs just waiting to be bought but Sam chose against it is ludicrous too. He didn't refuse to buy full backs, appropriate ones weren't available for our needs.

[H. Pedersen]

Well, anything you say about Sam over the last year and a half is colored by the fact that his heart clearly just wasn't in it. Maybe it will be different at Newcastle.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Isn't having a good defence the keystone to our success? The last 6 months doesn't cancel out 8 years where our defence has been our strongpoint. And scoring goals was the problem. Newcastle are the opposite, so you'd say it was perfect for Big Sam.

And the idea that there was a glut of Premiership class full backs just waiting to be bought but Sam chose against it is ludicrous too. He didn't refuse to buy full backs, appropriate ones weren't available for our needs.

Cheers for that, Tom, saves me the effort of saying it. Some seem to think Allardyce was sitting on a huge pot of money which he refused to hand out to a queue of eligible full-backs snaking their way out of the Reebok towards the M61.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Well, anything you say about Sam over the last year and a half is colored by the fact that his heart clearly just wasn't in it. Maybe it will be different at Newcastle.

I'm sure it will be, HP. He'll have much more money and arguably a much better squad, especially in midfield and attack.

[H. Pedersen]

I frankly just don't see a ton of money coming his way. Consider that he is actually going to get less money than any other Newcastle candidate because we're going to press for £5 million in compensation. And I can imagine the Newcastle leadership is tired of hearing "Just give me £20 million, and I'll get us into Europe!"

[durham_wanderer]

Well, anything you say about Sam over the last year and a half is colored by the fact that his heart clearly just wasn't in it. Maybe it will be different at Newcastle.

I'm sure it will be, HP. He'll have much more money and arguably a much better squad, especially in midfield and attack.

Based on what?? There GK is as good as ours, their defence way way behind ours, our midfield is about as bad as theirs although ours maybe slightly better and attack I'd say we have 2 world class strikers with SKD aswell whereas they just have Martins.

Sam has a massive job at Newcastle, and their fans won't give him time to complete it. He needs to finish in the top 7 next season for them to be happy, and they won't.

[bw@bw]

Isn't having a good defence the keystone to our success? The last 6 months doesn't cancel out 8 years where our defence has been our strongpoint. And scoring goals was the problem. Newcastle are the opposite, so you'd say it was perfect for Big Sam.

And the idea that there was a glut of Premiership class full backs just waiting to be bought but Sam chose against it is ludicrous too. He didn't refuse to buy full backs, appropriate ones weren't available for our needs.

Cheers for that, Tom, saves me the effort of saying it. Some seem to think Allardyce was sitting on a huge pot of money which he refused to hand out to a queue of eligible full-backs snaking their way out of the Reebok towards the M61.

Snap

[Bruce Rioja]

Cheers for that, Tom, saves me the effort of saying it. Some seem to think Allardyce was sitting on a huge pot of money which he refused to hand out to a queue of eligible full-backs snaking their way out of the Reebok towards the M61.

If there was one of the loanees that I'd have done pretty much anything for us to have signed permanently it would have to have been Vincent Candela, but yeah, look at some of the stuff that has been made available to us (Jon Ostomebor springs, nay leaps to mind) and clearly we can only fill the full back positions from within or by playing players there out of position. If the current barren climate continues then I reckon that good full backs are likely to become second only to good strikers in the transfer fee pecking order.

[Bruce Rioja]

and attack I'd say we have 2 world class strikers with SKD aswell whereas they just have Martins.

What's that little fella called, now? From down near Chester?

[H. Pedersen]

I think his name is "Cursed."

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hli ... n&channel=&

[Bruce Rioja]

I think his name is "Cursed."

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hli ... n&channel=&

I didn't know about that. You can just imagine the Geordie backroom staff going "Thank feck for that, it's his head"!

[H. Pedersen]

Yes, although the fact that he's now picking up non-leg injuries in collisions with his team mates indicates he's just jinxed all around.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Well, anything you say about Sam over the last year and a half is colored by the fact that his heart clearly just wasn't in it. Maybe it will be different at Newcastle.

I'm sure it will be, HP. He'll have much more money and arguably a much better squad, especially in midfield and attack.

Based on what?? There GK is as good as ours, their defence way way behind ours, our midfield is about as bad as theirs although ours maybe slightly better and attack I'd say we have 2 world class strikers with SKD aswell whereas they just have Martins.

http://www.the-wanderer.co.uk/boards/vi ... 583#236583

I'd have Scott Parker in our squad.
I'd have James Milner in our squad.
I'd have Obafemi Martins in our squad.
I'd have Kieron Dyer in our squad.
I'd have Charles N'Zogbia in our squad.
If I were intending to play 4-5-1 and didn't have to worry about wages, I'd have Nicky Butt in our squad.

I missed off Damien Duff and Michael Owen as they were already under discussion.

Meanwhile, there are thriving threads on this board discussing which players to ditch and using terms like "overhaul".

So that's what it's based on!

[durham_wanderer]

Well, anything you say about Sam over the last year and a half is colored by the fact that his heart clearly just wasn't in it. Maybe it will be different at Newcastle.

I'm sure it will be, HP. He'll have much more money and arguably a much better squad, especially in midfield and attack.

Based on what?? There GK is as good as ours, their defence way way behind ours, our midfield is about as bad as theirs although ours maybe slightly better and attack I'd say we have 2 world class strikers with SKD aswell whereas they just have Martins.

http://www.the-wanderer.co.uk/boards/vi ... 583#236583

I'd have Scott Parker in our squad.
I'd have James Milner in our squad.
I'd have Obafemi Martins in our squad.
I'd have Kieron Dyer in our squad.
I'd have Charles N'Zogbia in our squad.
If I were intending to play 4-5-1 and didn't have to worry about wages, I'd have Nicky Butt in our squad.

I missed off Damien Duff and Michael Owen as they were already under discussion.

Id take Martins, N'Zogbia and Milner the rest are overrated/will never be what they were. Newcastle would take Diouf, Anelka, Faye, Meite, Gardner, Davies, Ben Haim, hell even Hunt, hes better than anything they have a right-back. If newcastle have a better squad than us then why are they so far behind us??

[H. Pedersen]

But that list doesn't account for the fact that we wouldn't take anyone from their defence, their (very good) first choice keeper is injury prone and his back-up is dodgy, and many of those players you mentioned are permanently hurt. So saying their squad is "much better" seems like an overstatement.