The Munich Silence

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Should a Minutes silence be observed under any circumstances?

Yes - people have died, end of
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No - There are some people whom I would not observe this for
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No - there are some teams of whom I would not respect their request
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Post by CrazyHorse » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:16 pm

reddy! wrote:Of course it should, the Busby Babes were an amazing set of players, and were a credit te Enlgish Football, anyone that 'enjoys' a chant about their deaths should rightly have his head caved in.
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Post by Batman » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:16 pm

Batman wrote:Media-hungry pricks that United are.
Why didn't they do this 50yrs ago?

F ucking shameful.

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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:19 pm

Batman wrote:
Batman wrote:Media-hungry pricks that United are.
Why didn't they do this 50yrs ago?

F ucking shameful.
I'd be quite suprised if they didn't do it 50 years ago, Batty, but I don't know for sure.
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Post by sluffy » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:38 pm

When in Rome, do what the Romans do.

If I went anywhere and the locals were holding any sort of tribute then I would respect their wishes. If I was at Old Trafford on the day I would respect the minutes silence - as I'm not I won't.

For comparison this is what we did on the 60th anniversary of the Burnden disaster -


Tribute to Burnden disaster victims

MOURNERS paid tribute to 33 people who died 60 years ago this week in the Burnden Park disaster.

A memorial service at the Reebok Stadium saw relatives and survivors join fans and Wanderers players to remember those who perished in a crush when barriers collapsed during an FA Cup match against Stoke City at Burnden Park on March 9, 1946.

Candles were lit on Sunday in tribute to the each of the dead during a service led by the Rev Phil Mason.

Wanderers legend Nat Lofthouse was among those who paid their respects and was joined by deputy Mayor Cllr Cliff Morris and the leader of Bolton Council Cllr Barbara Ronson.

Names of each of the 33 fans who died in disaster at the Embankment end of the Burnden Park ground were read out and Allan Duckworth, the club's chief executive, gave a Bible reading.

Les Gent, a former editor of the Bolton Evening News, told how the paper reported the events. He said many fans inside the ground were not aware of the deaths until they saw late editions.

Wanderers are to donate 33 footballs, one for each of the victims, to Nigeria to help in football development there.

Mr Mason, the club's chaplain, said: "There are obviously relatives still alive for whom this is very important and as a family club we want to make sure these people are not forgotten."

A rededication of the Burnden disaster memorial plaque will take place at 3pm on Thursday at the entrance to the Asda superstore in Manchester Road, which was built on the site of the former Burnden Park ground.

http://archive.theboltonnews.co.uk/2006/3/6/888123.html

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Post by Batman » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:45 pm

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Batman wrote:
Batman wrote:Media-hungry pricks that United are.
Why didn't they do this 50yrs ago?

F ucking shameful.
I'd be quite suprised if they didn't do it 50 years ago, Batty, but I don't know for sure.

My point was more to do with having an event that would benefit the families - financially.

Bit late now eh.

Stupid Manc bastards.

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Post by Zulus Thousand of em » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:27 pm

Batman wrote: My point was more to do with having an event that would benefit the families - financially.
33 footballs to Nigeria? People in glass houses etc...... 8)
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Post by CAPSLOCK » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:42 pm

Glad they had the clappy thing for Best

I'd have observed a minutes silence as I'm a decent sort, but fortunately I was able to give the clapping for the sad waster a miss
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:28 am

CAPSLOCK wrote:Glad they had the clappy thing for Best

I'd have observed a minutes silence as I'm a decent sort, but fortunately I was able to give the clapping for the sad waster a miss
Good on you for making a decent decision. That's another benefit of the applause, besides drowning out any booing - it's much harder to opt out of silence.

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Post by blurred » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:28 am

Why are people expected to respect their tragedy when they don't respect it themselves?

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Post by CrazyHorse » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:40 am

I saw Bobby Charlton on the telly this morning and he commented that it was such a tragedy because Man U were such a great team at the time and how he believes that they could've gone on to win the European cup that year.
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Surely it was a tragedy because 23 people lost their lives?
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Post by blurred » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:49 am

As for Batty's comment, United did hold an event to raise money for the survivors and their families. What they fail to often mention is that Eric Cantona charged more for his expenses and entourage than was raised on average for each family member.

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Post by The Sky is Blue » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:03 pm

blurred wrote:As for Batty's comment, United did hold an event to raise money for the survivors and their families. What they fail to often mention is that Eric Cantona charged more for his expenses and entourage than was raised on average for each family member.
£60K methinks, wankers the lot of em, not going to be our proudest day for sure but life goes on

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Post by CrazyHorse » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:15 pm

A cynical observer might think that Man United's refusal to adopt an applause instead of a minutes silence is down to them hoping that there will be a handful of drunken City fans who will spoil the silence and provide the watching worlds media with a priceless negative spotlight of Manchester City FC.
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Post by David Lee's Hair » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:17 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:A cynical observer might think that Man United's refusal to adopt an applause instead of a minutes silence is down to them hoping that there will be a handful of drunken City fans who will spoil the silence and provide the watching worlds media with a priceless negative spotlight of Manchester City FC.
And all the more pity for themselves.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:39 pm

Sad world when mocking the dead is part of so-called football supporting. The sad idiots that do it would be the first up in arms if it were their own families.
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Post by fatshaft » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:01 pm

David Lee's Hair wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:A cynical observer might think that Man United's refusal to adopt an applause instead of a minutes silence is down to them hoping that there will be a handful of drunken City fans who will spoil the silence and provide the watching worlds media with a priceless negative spotlight of Manchester City FC.
And all the more pity for themselves.

Was thinking the same meself CH
Can't agree with that at all. The alternative was an "applause", I personally don;t like those "tributes", so for me Man U have done nothing wrong here. If some City fans have no human decency within them, then that's their look out.

TANGODANCER wrote:Sad world when mocking the dead is part of so-called football supporting. The sad idiots that do it would be the first up in arms if it were their own families.
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Post by David Lee's Hair » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:46 pm

I agree completely with TD as well. But some people wont hold the silence, and its a sad fact.

I do also think that at times an applause is just as appropriate to a minutes silence. I'd even go further and say for footballers it should be applause. At the end of the day they were footballers, what better than being applauded? It's what they wanted to get every time they went onto the field in there careers.

As an aside, the minutes applause is fairly new, why did it start? Was it Alan Ball or George Best? I really cannot remember.

I realise its cynical, but just cannot help feeling theres a holy than everyone else thing going on. Just imagine the fuse Utd would kick up if they played Liverpool on the anniversary of Hillsborough? Would they be happy with a minutes silence? No. People would see some of the idiots that support them, as there is no chance Utd fans (a minority admittedly) would keep the silence.

I just think prudence would have suggested a minutes applause, so as to stop any bad press that may occur, but Utd flattly refused.
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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:01 pm

David Lee's Hair wrote: As an aside, the minutes applause is fairly new, why did it start? Was it Alan Ball or George Best? I really cannot remember.
According to the net every ground was to have a minutes silence for Best, but Celtic said they would have a minutes applause. A number of other grounds immediately adopted the notion. Presumably the only purpose was to drown out any disrespectful displays, although other rationalizations were used.
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Post by Hoboh » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:06 pm

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David Lee's Hair wrote: As an aside, the minutes applause is fairly new, why did it start? Was it Alan Ball or George Best? I really cannot remember.
According to the net every ground was to have a minutes silence for Best, but Celtic said they would have a minutes applause. A number of other grounds immediately adopted the notion. Presumably the only purpose was to drown out any disrespectful displays, although other rationalizations were used.
The first time I heard the applause thing was really at Di's funneral (wasn't there, on telly) and thought this has got to be better, so if you don't wanna for whatever reason show your respect it's hard for you to bugger it up for others who do.

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Post by blurred » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:10 pm

The minutes applause has been going for donkeys years on the continent, it's only a relatively new fad over here.

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