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[qwertywarrior]

well way above me "subjunctive" split infinitive" and the like

could it not be easier just to read what is written instead of picking it apart?

ps the sky is blue

Not from where I'm sitting mate; it's a sort of dirty grey.

You might just nip back to my post on "Viva Espana" and "Long live the Queen". They were meant as examples of a method we take for granted without a lot of people actually knowing the name of it, ie, classic examples of the use of the subjunctive.

i read it but didnt understand

[Prufrock]

well way above me "subjunctive" split infinitive" and the like

could it not be easier just to read what is written instead of picking it apart?

ps the sky is blue

Not from where I'm sitting mate; it's a sort of dirty grey.

You might just nip back to my post on "Viva Espana" and "Long live the Queen". They were meant as examples of a method we take for granted without a lot of people actually knowing the name of it, ie, classic examples of the use of the subjunctive.

i read it but didnt understand

in normal english you would say the queen lives. 'live' is an example of the subjunctive, like the 'be' in 'be that as it may'. it is just a different form of the verb used in certain situations that has fallen out of common use

[TANGODANCER]

well way above me "subjunctive" split infinitive" and the like

could it not be easier just to read what is written instead of picking it apart?

ps the sky is blue

Not from where I'm sitting mate; it's a sort of dirty grey.

You might just nip back to my post on "Viva Espana" and "Long live the Queen". They were meant as examples of a method we take for granted without a lot of people actually knowing the name of it, ie, classic examples of the use of the subjunctive.

i read it but didnt understand

Fair enough. The key words are "live" in both cases. They are used where a wish or a hope exists, ie, the toaster is hoping the Queen will live a long time, not stating she will. That's subjunctive. It can also be used where doubt exists, might, may.. Just explaining, not trying to baffle you.

[qwertywarrior]

well way above me "subjunctive" split infinitive" and the like

could it not be easier just to read what is written instead of picking it apart?

ps the sky is blue

Not from where I'm sitting mate; it's a sort of dirty grey.

You might just nip back to my post on "Viva Espana" and "Long live the Queen". They were meant as examples of a method we take for granted without a lot of people actually knowing the name of it, ie, classic examples of the use of the subjunctive.

i read it but didnt understand

in normal english you would say the queen lives. 'live' is an example of the subjunctive, like the 'be' in 'be that as it may'. it is just a different form of the verb used in certain situations that has fallen out of common use

thanks for trying but i dont get it or really want to to be honest

you type your way i'll do it mine

[TANGODANCER]

in normal english you would say the queen lives. 'live' is an example of the subjunctive, like the 'be' in 'be that as it may'. it is just a different form of the verb used in certain situations that has fallen out of common use

Not so good buddy. That's a statement, not a wish for the Queen's long life; something we use regularly today. Much the same as "God save the Queen", another subjunctive in regular usage.

[Prufrock]

in normal english you would say the queen lives. 'live' is an example of the subjunctive, like the 'be' in 'be that as it may'. it is just a different form of the verb used in certain situations that has fallen out of common use

Not so good buddy. That's a statement, not a wish for the Queen's long life; something we use regularly today. Much the same as "God save the Queen", another subjunctive in regular usage.

by normal english i meant the indicative. since qwerty has never been taught the indicitive i thought it unlikely he would have been taught the indicative. that said , your explanation was a lot better than mine

[Athers]

As an aside.... I wouldn't dream of using a split infinitive in an academic essay. Perhaps I am not brave enough to be the man to boldly go down that path, at the head of PF's revolution.

Nice!

I use them sometimes, normally without noticing as GCSE was as far as I took English. I don't think I'm a mentalist though who likes to widely use them though. *groan*

FWIW I think the standard on this site is really good. Personally I write more casually than I would academically or professionally but I'm talking about football to you fine folks not writing a dissertation about natural monopoly to a professor so it's all gravy...

[TANGODANCER]

in normal english you would say the queen lives. 'live' is an example of the subjunctive, like the 'be' in 'be that as it may'. it is just a different form of the verb used in certain situations that has fallen out of common use

Not so good buddy. That's a statement, not a wish for the Queen's long life; something we use regularly today. Much the same as "God save the Queen", another subjunctive in regular usage.

by normal english i meant the indicative. since qwerty has never been taught the indicitive i thought it unlikely he would have been taught the indicative. that said , your explanation was a lot better than mine

Sing your national anthem, it's a subjunctive song throughout.

[Prufrock]

in normal english you would say the queen lives. 'live' is an example of the subjunctive, like the 'be' in 'be that as it may'. it is just a different form of the verb used in certain situations that has fallen out of common use

Not so good buddy. That's a statement, not a wish for the Queen's long life; something we use regularly today. Much the same as "God save the Queen", another subjunctive in regular usage.

by normal english i meant the indicative. since qwerty has never been taught the indicitive i thought it unlikely he would have been taught the indicative. that said , your explanation was a lot better than mine

Sing your national anthem, it's a subjunctive song throughout.

aye but like i said substitute the word indicative for normal english and my explantion is true, just unclear.

[Bruce Rioja]

no you misunderstand

are you formal when talking with friends or do you relax

that is what i see relaxed language

if you don't like drivel then stop typing

Perhaps, but this is a message board used by people from all over the world. As such certain standards of grammar are to be upheld as the preferred medium is English. Is that too difficult for you?

not at all

not going to change tho

perhaps we should all start learning spanish then cos more people will undrstand it

dont see your point not really intersted

are you a farmer?

Anyone?

[Prufrock]

in normal english you would say the queen lives. 'live' is an example of the subjunctive, like the 'be' in 'be that as it may'. it is just a different form of the verb used in certain situations that has fallen out of common use

Not so good buddy. That's a statement, not a wish for the Queen's long life; something we use regularly today. Much the same as "God save the Queen", another subjunctive in regular usage.

by normal english i meant the indicative. since qwerty has never been taught the indicitive i thought it unlikely he would have been taught the indicative. that said , your explanation was a lot better than mine

Sing your national anthem, it's a subjunctive song throughout.

plus bad example as you well know my thoughts on nationalism

[Worthy4England]

no you misunderstand

are you formal when talking with friends or do you relax

that is what i see relaxed language

if you don't like drivel then stop typing

Perhaps, but this is a message board used by people from all over the world. As such certain standards of grammar are to be upheld as the preferred medium is English. Is that too difficult for you?

not at all

not going to change tho

perhaps we should all start learning spanish then cos more people will undrstand it

dont see your point not really intersted

are you a farmer?

Anyone?

'Fraid not....

[Prufrock]

no you misunderstand

are you formal when talking with friends or do you relax

that is what i see relaxed language

if you don't like drivel then stop typing

Perhaps, but this is a message board used by people from all over the world. As such certain standards of grammar are to be upheld as the preferred medium is English. Is that too difficult for you?

not at all

not going to change tho

perhaps we should all start learning spanish then cos more people will undrstand it

dont see your point not really intersted

are you a farmer?

Anyone?

im lost on farmer?

[Lord Kangana]

I think he has a point about the Spanish though - If more of us took the trouble to learn it, more of us would understand it....

[Worthy4England]

I think he has a point about the Spanish though - If more of us took the trouble to learn it, more of us would understand it....

But why would I want to? (Not knocking anyone who has a burning desire to do so....)

[TANGODANCER]

I think quertywarrior imagines all Bruce's are Australian sheep-farmers.

[Worthy4England]

I think quertywarrior imagines all Bruce's are Australian sheep-farmers.

So what the hell is a Rioja then?

[Lord Kangana]

I think he has a point about the Spanish though - If more of us took the trouble to learn it, more of us would understand it....

But why would I want to? (Not knocking anyone who has a burning desire to do so....)

It was intended as a (very bad) joke at the expense of his syntax

[TANGODANCER]

I think quertywarrior imagines all Bruce's are Australian sheep-farmers.

So what the hell is a Rioja then?

A wine-loving Australian sheep farmer called Bruce, of course.

[Prufrock]

I think he has a point about the Spanish though - If more of us took the trouble to learn it, more of us would understand it....

But why would I want to? (Not knocking anyone who has a burning desire to do so....)

personally you may not need to but i do think we as a nation are quite arrogant when it comes to foreign languages. thats not to say everyone should get fluent in every language, i personally know next to no spanish but if i were to go there on holiday i think it makes a big difference to buy a phrasebook and try the odd phrase. it just creates a bit of goodwill as opposed to the typical English lager lout shout loudly in english then trash the place because they dont understand.

sweet jesus i've become a hippy!