Avram Grant sacked by Chelsea

[Montreal Wanderer]

Maybe I'm just stupid (that's rhetorical) or just don't understand football management (so is that) but drop kicking Grant just doesn't make sense to me. The man had little experience in English football - if you can call Chelsea players English - was signed to a contract for a few years when taking over the position when the club was in danger of not making the Champion's League and hardly in the race for the Premier League title but managed to drag the team to within a whisker of both and then is sacked?

If I remember rightly he also didn't spend money in the January transfer period - though I'm open for correction on that - but whether that was by choice or direction I have no idea. As far as I can see the man got the rough end of the pineapple in that relationship. Undoubtedly he had a squad of very good football players with which to start his endeavours but surely the change around in fortunes of the club must have had something to do with his input? As I've said, I don't understand football managerial decisions and, as the years roll by, I think I'm learning that I know less and less.

As a neutral, Mr Grant, I salute you.

Anelka went for nothing?

[FD]

Bring in Grant, has none of that yet comes 2nd in the "best league in the world" and 2nd in the "best cup in the world". Sack him, he's shit.

Part of me agrees with this, another part of me says that with the money and players at Chelsea's disposal, pretty much anyone could take them to a runner up spot in the PL.

Yet Liverpool, who I believe have one of the best squads in the world on paper win nothing again and again yet their manager keeps his job.

8 Months in charge and he got runners up medals for the premier league AND the champions league. Wouldn't mind that myself.

Rijkard would be my guess to replace him, he'll last 2 seasons.

[communistworkethic]

Chelsea = the new Man City

[Bruce Rioja]

Chelsea = the new Man City

Oh I do hope so. I'd love to see them crash and burn. I'd also love to see that Peter Kenyon watching over five acres of turnips in the top meadow with a brush steel shoved through the shoulders of his jacket whilst having had his mouth stuffed with straw. Actually, I think that I'd better stop there.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Bring in Grant, has none of that yet comes 2nd in the "best league in the world" and 2nd in the "best cup in the world". Sack him, he's shit.

Part of me agrees with this, another part of me says that with the money and players at Chelsea's disposal, pretty much anyone could take them to a runner up spot in the PL.

Yet Liverpool, who I believe have one of the best squads in the world on paper win nothing again and again yet their manager keeps his job.

8 Months in charge and he got runners up medals for the premier league AND the champions league. Wouldn't mind that myself.

Rijkard would be my guess to replace him, he'll last 2 seasons.

Benitez is a prick, of course.

[FD]

I don't believe anyone is questioning that Zulus...

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[ratbert]

The next manager will be told "get the best players in the world in, win everything, or else"

The manager's door at Chelsea will be an ever-revolving one for the next few years, until Roman tires of his real-life subbuteo set.

[Hoboh]

2nd in the Prem, runner up in the Champions league, starting to play better football (they were on top for 2/3rds of the final) and thats failiure demanding the sack?
Where does that leave a manager knocked out of a European cup compition through stupidity, just about survived relegation, playing crap backs to the wall football?
I wonder!!

[Lord Kangana]

2nd in the Prem, runner up in the Champions league, starting to play better football (they were on top for 2/3rds of the final) and thats failiure demanding the sack?
Where does that leave a manager knocked out of a European cup compition through stupidity, just about survived relegation, playing crap backs to the wall football?I wonder!!

As the new Messiah?

[TANGODANCER]

So, but for two highly-paid, professional footballers missing penalties, Avram Grant would be the toast of Chesea. As it is, he's on the dole (not literally of course). Where exactly, I wonder, does that make him a failure as a manager?

[Lord Kangana]

So, but for two highly-paid, professional footballers missing penalties, Avram Grant would be the toast of Chesea. As it is, he's on the dole (not literally of course). Where exactly, I wonder, does that make him a failure as a manager?

I suppose it could be argued that with the cost of the footballing talent at his disposal, 2nd is failure. I think the same can be said of just about any of the top-four (perhaps Wenger aside, though it was his choice not to spend money) where second is nowhere, and will lead to board meetings as to the future 'direction' they wish to take.

To my mind, at G-14 level this is no longer a sport, its simply an exercise in promoting your brand. From a purely footballing perspective, it looks terribly knee-jerk, but these managers and footballers at the uber-clubs know full well what they are getting themselves into, they accept a kings ransom and should therefore accept the price of failure as much as the price of success (sacking as oppossed to another torrent of money in this case).

So to answer your point, by big-business Chelsea/Utd/Real/Barca/etc standards he's a failure, he's not king of the castle; looking from our lowly position, 2nd looks like the summit of an awfully large mountain.

[H. Pedersen]

Yet Liverpool, who I believe have one of the best squads in the world on paper win nothing again and again yet their manager keeps his job.

Only Torres and Gerrard are world class. The rest range from "good" (Reina) to "what the f*** are they doing in the Champions League?!" (everyone else).

[Tombwfc]

So, but for two highly-paid, professional footballers missing penalties, Avram Grant would be the toast of Chesea. As it is, he's on the dole (not literally of course). Where exactly, I wonder, does that make him a failure as a manager?

In the same way that if one high-paid professional footballler had been unable to keep a couple of well struck but saveable shots out of the goal in the first half vs Boro, and then another highly-paid professional hadn't been able to divert the ball into the goal from a yard out in the same game, a certain Carrot-topped Manager would be joining Grant in the dole queue. Would you be complaining if that had been the case?

Football always has and always will be decided by fine margins, the odd swing of the boot, and those margins do detirmine successes and failures. For Chelsea, the objective for any manager is to win trophies, they had the chance to arguably win four (had they beaten Barnsley in the FA Cup they'd have needed to beat Cardiff to get to the final) and won none. He failed. He gave it a good go and certainly hasn't disgraced himself, but when you're ploughing in the money that Roman has, second really is nowhere.

[FD]

Yet Liverpool, who I believe have one of the best squads in the world on paper win nothing again and again yet their manager keeps his job.

Only Torres and Gerrard are world class. The rest range from "good" (Reina) to "what the f*** are they doing in the Champions League?!" (everyone else).

Carragher
Babel
Gerrard
Torres
Alonso
Macherano

Are all absolutely TOP class players for me.

Babel is one to watch, next season he will tear the league a new one, mark my words.
Carragher is an absolutely brilliant defender that can play anywhere in the back four.
Gerrard and Torres you've mentioned.
Alonso can pick a pass out like nobody else.
Macherano is young and a bit rough around the edges but a brilliant defensive midfielder.
Crouch is hugely under-rated and never gets enough credit for what he does with the little time he gets.

The rest of the team are either youngsters (Aurellio) or very very good players (Benayoun) who would get into most squads easily.

That's why I dislike Benitez so much, I actually think anyone could do well with that team.

[CrazyHorse]

Gerrard? World Class?


Stop it man, you're killing me!

[Batman]

Only Torres is 'world class', the rest are over-hyped and of a pretty average standard.

I mean come on, Kuyt?

[FD]

Gerrard? World Class?


Stop it man, you're killing me!

Yeah, I far prefer Guthrie/McCann/Cohen Horsey

Only Torres is 'world class', the rest are over-hyped and of a pretty average standard.

I mean come on, Kuyt?

Where did I state Kuyt? I agree, I think he's piss poor.

[Batman]

Not on about your post, just making my own point you big-head

[FD]

Not on about your post, just making my own point you big-head

What an outrage, I'm off to cry.



Kuyt is shite though, that point stands.