Christening

[TANGODANCER]

Ah religious topics on TW, how I have missed the utter shit spouted from both sides.

Don't forget "down the middle" too.

[TANGODANCER]

hmmm as ever your addled mind creates nonsense from a reasonable comment, I expect the scouse-like "victim-style" outcry and indignation next, oh look you have already As fatshaft points out, the two points you highlight are distinct. If you can't use logic, which evidence suggests perhaps you can't, don't try and discuss stuff you can't evaluate properly.

[communistworkethic]

hmmm as ever your addled mind creates nonsense from a reasonable comment, I expect the scouse-like "victim-style" outcry and indignation next, oh look you have already As fatshaft points out, the two points you highlight are distinct. If you can't use logic, which evidence suggests perhaps you can't, don't try and discuss stuff you can't evaluate properly.

oh yeah, I forgot you're also old, so therefore you know it all

[TANGODANCER]

hmmm as ever your addled mind creates nonsense from a reasonable comment, I expect the scouse-like "victim-style" outcry and indignation next, oh look you have already As fatshaft points out, the two points you highlight are distinct. If you can't use logic, which evidence suggests perhaps you can't, don't try and discuss stuff you can't evaluate properly.

oh yeah, I forgot you're also old, so therefore you know it all

Even at my age I wouldn't attempt to take that title away from you. As you were.

[thebish]

well the parents of my Godson are catholic, I'd guess they know what the role entails in their minds, what with being able to pick and choose the bits of religion that suit you depending on how you want to interpret them. Perhaps they, as I do, see the role as being one as a 'moral' guide, something which actually has little to do with religion.

wouldn't disagree with that being a possible Godparent role - but it sounds a bit vague to me, and sometimes that's a good thing..

but what IS a "moral guide"?

is it someone who tells the child that drugs are bad - or not to lie or steal or cheat - or not to sleep around - or not to be a bad person....

or is it a role model of some sort.. are you the child's role model?? quite a responsibility...

[communistworkethic]

hmmm as ever your addled mind creates nonsense from a reasonable comment, I expect the scouse-like "victim-style" outcry and indignation next, oh look you have already As fatshaft points out, the two points you highlight are distinct. If you can't use logic, which evidence suggests perhaps you can't, don't try and discuss stuff you can't evaluate properly.

oh yeah, I forgot you're also old, so therefore you know it all

Even at my age I wouldn't attempt to take that title away from you. As you were.

do I ever suggest that? No, I present facts and make a case, unlike your "because it is" argument that most 8 year olds would be embarrassed to adopt.
Like the same way you just ignore or fail to counter any comment/post that shows up your nonsense, other than to try coming out with some holier than thou preaching just aslong as you're not answering any specific point. Like you have on this thread.

As you were. I'd do the lol icon too but I'm not laughing at you, I think it'd be cruel, like laughing at a handicapped kid.

[TANGODANCER]

hmmm as ever your addled mind creates nonsense from a reasonable comment, I expect the scouse-like "victim-style" outcry and indignation next, oh look you have already As fatshaft points out, the two points you highlight are distinct. If you can't use logic, which evidence suggests perhaps you can't, don't try and discuss stuff you can't evaluate properly.

oh yeah, I forgot you're also old, so therefore you know it all

Even at my age I wouldn't attempt to take that title away from you. As you were.

do I ever suggest that? No, I present facts and make a case, unlike your "because it is" argument that most 8 year olds would be embarrassed to adopt.
Like the same way you just ignore or fail to counter any comment/post that shows up your nonsense, other than to try coming out with some holier than thou preaching just aslong as you're not answering any specific point. Like you have on this thread.

As you were. I'd do the lol icon too but I'm not laughing at you, I think it'd be cruel, like laughing at a handicapped kid.

Well, that's that sorted then. Time to move along?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Read my previous everybody.

Before I lock the thread.

[Bruce Rioja]

I'm a 'God'parent despite being agnostic, and the parents are well aware of this. Until someone comes up with some other term for the role of an esteemed friend and suitable moral guide then it looks like we're stuck with it. It's only a matter of time though, I reckon. Getting married was a religious-only ceremony once let's not forget.

[Worthy4England]

Just as a sort of aside, surely if the people have any issue with Godparents having anything to do with God, they also wouldn't want a Christening - which on first glance looks like it has associations with Christ.

[Bruce Rioja]

Just as a sort of aside, surely if the people have any issue with Godparents having anything to do with God, they also wouldn't want a Christening - which on first glance looks like it has associations with Christ.

Ah well, Worthy. Take the case of my younger brother. He's been made to have his kids christened to get them into the local primary school.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I'm a 'God'parent despite being agnostic, and the parents are well aware of this. Until someone comes up with some other term for the role of an esteemed friend and suitable moral guide then it looks like we're stuck with it. It's only a matter of time though, I reckon. Getting married was a religious-only ceremony once let's not forget.

Indeed. Though I definitely want to get married, but I couldn't stomach any references to 'God' in the proceedings.

In fact, I just can't see myself with a religious person full stop... I wonder if that is a serious flaw on my part.

[Prufrock]

I'm a 'God'parent despite being agnostic, and the parents are well aware of this. Until someone comes up with some other term for the role of an esteemed friend and suitable moral guide then it looks like we're stuck with it. It's only a matter of time though, I reckon. Getting married was a religious-only ceremony once let's not forget.

Indeed. Though I definitely want to get married, but I couldn't stomach any references to 'God' in the proceedings.

In fact, I just can't see myself with a religious person full stop... I wonder if that is a serious flaw on my part.

I'm the same, i was sort of seeing a religiousy girl but found i couldnt do it because i had all these preconceived ideas of her beleifs affecting every day life. She never acted strangely, i had just got it in my head she would. Not sure what i do about that, given i claim everybody should have the right to beleive ewhat they want, yet i cant help judge them.

[Prufrock]

Just as a sort of aside, surely if the people have any issue with Godparents having anything to do with God, they also wouldn't want a Christening - which on first glance looks like it has associations with Christ.

Ah well, Worthy. Take the case of my younger brother. He's been made to have his kids christened to get them into the local primary school.

the reason i was christened. That has been the case for ages, my auntie didnt get into the school my grandparents wanted, because even though she was christened, it was the worng denomination or something. I personally feel 'godparent' is a role in our society which is still relevant, even if the name is slightly achronistic. Wedding's are grounded in religon, yet in what is now a mostly atheist nation, if somebody suggested people shouldnt enter 'holy matrimony' becasue they werent religious, it would seem weird. People still get married, but as a pledge of commitment, or even to make house ownership and legal rights clearer. The role plays a function. In the same way, as Commie says, IMO, the role of godparent nowadays still has a function, even amongst atheists.

[TANGODANCER]

the reason i was christened. That has been the case for ages, my auntie didnt get into the school my grandparents wanted, because even though she was christened, it was the worng denomination or something. I personally feel 'godparent' is a role in our society which is still relevant, even if the name is slightly achronistic. Wedding's are grounded in religon, yet in what is now a mostly atheist nation, if somebody suggested people shouldnt enter 'holy matrimony' becasue they werent religious, it would seem weird. People still get married, but as a pledge of commitment, or even to make house ownership and legal rights clearer. The role plays a function. In the same way, as Commie says, IMO, the role of godparent nowadays still has a function, even amongst atheists.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

[Bruce Rioja]

the reason i was christened. That has been the case for ages, my auntie didnt get into the school my grandparents wanted, because even though she was christened, it was the worng denomination or something. I personally feel 'godparent' is a role in our society which is still relevant, even if the name is slightly achronistic. Wedding's are grounded in religon, yet in what is now a mostly atheist nation, if somebody suggested people shouldnt enter 'holy matrimony' becasue they werent religious, it would seem weird. People still get married, but as a pledge of commitment, or even to make house ownership and legal rights clearer. The role plays a function. In the same way, as Commie says, IMO, the role of godparent nowadays still has a function, even amongst atheists.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

I couldn't give a flying feck one way or the other. However, I'd have to say, Tango, that if I were ever to back any sort of an argument up with figures then they'd have to be a shitload more plausible than that little lot, Fella.

[TANGODANCER]

the reason i was christened. That has been the case for ages, my auntie didnt get into the school my grandparents wanted, because even though she was christened, it was the worng denomination or something. I personally feel 'godparent' is a role in our society which is still relevant, even if the name is slightly achronistic. Wedding's are grounded in religon, yet in what is now a mostly atheist nation, if somebody suggested people shouldnt enter 'holy matrimony' becasue they werent religious, it would seem weird. People still get married, but as a pledge of commitment, or even to make house ownership and legal rights clearer. The role plays a function. In the same way, as Commie says, IMO, the role of godparent nowadays still has a function, even amongst atheists.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

I couldn't give a flying feck one way or the other. However, I'd have to say, Tango, that if I were ever to back any sort of an argument up with figures then they'd have to be a shitload more plausible than that little lot, Fella.

I was referring to Britain, not the world, merely to counteract the bold bit in Prufrock's post. No doubt, in time, we'll have Science Parents to replace it all, so it won't really matter one way or the other. Thankfully, I probably won't be around to see it.

[communistworkethic]

the reason i was christened. That has been the case for ages, my auntie didnt get into the school my grandparents wanted, because even though she was christened, it was the worng denomination or something. I personally feel 'godparent' is a role in our society which is still relevant, even if the name is slightly achronistic. Wedding's are grounded in religon, yet in what is now a mostly atheist nation, if somebody suggested people shouldnt enter 'holy matrimony' becasue they werent religious, it would seem weird. People still get married, but as a pledge of commitment, or even to make house ownership and legal rights clearer. The role plays a function. In the same way, as Commie says, IMO, the role of godparent nowadays still has a function, even amongst atheists.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html

my mate's written a book and he says that we are mostly athiests, he's got no evidence other than the fact that there's a gap in his undrestanding so he's filled it with supposition. I like what he says though, so I've decided to believe his version of events.

[Lord Kangana]

I'd be absolutely astounded if the two figues offered (14% and the 31-44%) were even close. I only know two people who regularly attend church, and they are my best mates parents. The vast majority of people I know attend church for weddings/christenings/funerals and thats your lot. Thats fine if its your thing, but ive a hunch that Islamic attendance at churches now pushes christian denominations.

[thebish]

I'd be absolutely astounded if the two figues offered (14% and the 31-44%) were even close. I only know two people who regularly attend church, and they are my best mates parents. The vast majority of people I know attend church for weddings/christenings/funerals and thats your lot. Thats fine if its your thing, but ive a hunch that Islamic attendance at churches now pushes christian denominations.

nahhh - they go to mosques...