Olympics 2008

[jammyjim12]

That is just incredible, headwind as well.

Aye very impressive.

I'll be honest though, and I know I'm going to get abuse off some , but the more I see him run the more I just think he must be doing something.

In his semi he was jogging nect to the american in the next lane from about 60m in. I realise he's been tested but they're always coming up with something new to improve themselves.

Come on, that's extremely cynical. Fact is Bolt is just in a class of my own. He's a freak of nature. Every so often someone like him comes along.

His integrity should not be doubted, just because those before him; who were no where near as talented by the way, cheated.

If Bolt has passed his tests, then he is clean- full stop. Do you really believe he has conjoured up some mystery substance that is indetectable?

[Lord Kangana]

That is just incredible, headwind as well.

Aye very impressive.

I'll be honest though, and I know I'm going to get abuse off some , but the more I see him run the more I just think he must be doing something.

In his semi he was jogging nect to the american in the next lane from about 60m in. I realise he's been tested but they're always coming up with something new to improve themselves.

Come on, that's extremely cynical. Fact is Bolt is just in a class of my own. He's a freak of nature. Every so often someone like him comes along.

His integrity should not be doubted, just because those before him; who were no where near as talented by the way, cheated.

If Bolt has passed his tests, then he is clean- full stop. Do you really believe he has conjoured up some mystery substance that is indetectable?

There are supposedly a whole host of magic potions out there that are undetectable.

Lets be honest, who's going to get more financial gain out of advancement in medicine - the cheats or the testers?

[David Lee's Hair]

Come on, that's extremely cynical. Fact is Bolt is just in a class of my own. He's a freak of nature. Every so often someone like him comes along.

His integrity should not be doubted, just because those before him; who were no where near as talented by the way, cheated.

If Bolt has passed his tests, then he is clean- full stop. Do you really believe he has conjoured up some mystery substance that is indetectable?

Oh it's totally cynical.

To the rest of it, Marion Jones is all I will say.

No-one believed she was cheating for years, just that she was an amazing athlete, tearing up the ladies 100 and 200m and long jump. What happens? She'd been voiding it up for years! Just a type that wasn't being detected.

Hopefully for athletics he is clean. Unfortunately for me I just think that to be so much better than anyone else, and from basically no where in the last 12 months, it's just a little dodgy.

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

In which case, ban sport. It's all iffy.

[Bruce Rioja]

Just watched it on the Beeb sports site. Absolutely stunning. I can't believe that people are mentioning drugs. Just look at the length of the f*cker's legs!

[jammyjim12]

In which case, ban sport. It's all iffy.

Aye, I guess Rafa Nadal is doing drugs too, and Federer's decline is because he's stopped doing them.

[FD]

Nadal is someone I was always cynical of actually!

[Verbal]

Come on, that's extremely cynical. Fact is Bolt is just in a class of my own. He's a freak of nature. Every so often someone like him comes along.

His integrity should not be doubted, just because those before him; who were no where near as talented by the way, cheated.

If Bolt has passed his tests, then he is clean- full stop. Do you really believe he has conjoured up some mystery substance that is indetectable?

Oh it's totally cynical.

To the rest of it, Marion Jones is all I will say.

No-one believed she was cheating for years, just that she was an amazing athlete, tearing up the ladies 100 and 200m and long jump. What happens? She'd been voiding it up for years! Just a type that wasn't being detected.

Hopefully for athletics he is clean. Unfortunately for me I just think that to be so much better than anyone else, and from basically no where in the last 12 months, it's just a little dodgy.

That's not strictly true. He's barely into his twenties, and as a junior he was coveted as the best of a generation. If memory serves me right he won the world juniors at 15 and was the first junior to run under 20secs for 200m. If it werent for a few injuries he would have been around alot earlier.

[CAPSLOCK]

Back to Ohurougu

It's my suspicion that Britain does more testing of its athletes than just about any other country - somebody can no doubt confirm, or otherwise

This would suggest that she's passed more tests than just about any other athlete from outside the UK, certainly more than somebody from Bong-Bongo land

That makes her more clean than said athletes

I've no doubts she's clean - ALL the evidence suggests she is

She receieved a hefty punsihment, which I'd say was deserved, but her bigger punishment is tossers trying to belittle her achievement

[communistworkethic]

As an ordinary member of society, we have an obligation to not take drugs form a legal perspective. But we aren't required to have a breath test every time we enter a car, or a drugs swab every morning we get up. That can only be done when suspicion is aroused, or indeed an illegal act has already taken place.

you're just plain wrong. it's obviously escaped you but the police perform random breath testing of drivers in this country and have 'stop and search' powers. random testing exists for the public.

the point is that it has been asserted that the position of christine ohurugu is inconclusive as to her having taken drugs or not, I put it to anybody to show me how you can be conclusive about innocence if you are going to deny the evidence of clean tests or indeed the lack of evidence of guilt?

[Montreal Wanderer]

As an ordinary member of society, we have an obligation to not take drugs form a legal perspective. But we aren't required to have a breath test every time we enter a car, or a drugs swab every morning we get up. That can only be done when suspicion is aroused, or indeed an illegal act has already taken place.

you're just plain wrong. it's obviously escaped you but the police perform random breath testing of drivers in this country and have 'stop and search' powers. random testing exists for the public.

the point is that it has been asserted that the position of christine ohurugu is inconclusive as to her having taken drugs or not, I put it to anybody to show me how you can be conclusive about innocence if you are going to deny the evidence of clean tests or indeed the lack of evidence of guilt?

While I hesitate to get into this again, this is the whole point. You cannot be conclusive about innocence in these cases, which is why we presume it until shown otherwise. The evidence of multiple clean tests cannot be conclusive because such records have been shown to be erroneous on many occasions. Twenty breathalizer tests successfully passed does not mean the driver never drove over the limit for alcohol. I have never said the lady was a drug cheat because that was never proven, yet we cannot conclude that she has never taken drugs. We presume she has not. We do know she infringed the rules of the sports governing policy, and for that paid a penalty.

[communistworkethic]

shrodinger's cat drug addict.

[Montreal Wanderer]

shrodinger's cat drug addict.

I am always curious as to why reasonable discussions or disagreements cannot be had without name-calling, rolling eyes or other attempted insults. Still, if you feel it makes your argument stronger, go ahead. However, I feel I should point out since you are interested in feline paradoxes in quantum mechanics I suggest you use the name Schrödinger.

[Bruce Rioja]

I thought I'd have a sneaky peek to see what Schrodinger's cat got up to. Quantum decoherence? Ours never got beyond chasing wool and stuff!

[Montreal Wanderer]

I thought I'd have a sneaky peek to see what Schrodinger's cat got up to. Quantum decoherence? Ours never got beyond chasing wool and stuff!

It's a little out my field too, Bruce! I think the general concept is that under a certain set of circumstances when the cat may be alive or dead (and you cannot see it) there is a point Schrödinger postulated that in quantum mechanics it is both alive and dead. Thus a paradox which few would even bother to attempt to understand. Including me - I'm all for watching live cats chase wool.

[Batman]

well cut and pasted

[Montreal Wanderer]

well cut and pasted

Actually I didn't, but never mind.

[Batman]

actually i'm impressed with your keyboard speed too

[Montreal Wanderer]

actually i'm impressed with your keyboard speed too

You must feel quite alone in that, I fear. Two fingers and a thumb is all I can use.

[communistworkethic]

Back to Ohurougu

It's my suspicion that Britain does more testing of its athletes than just about any other country - somebody can no doubt confirm, or otherwise

This would suggest that she's passed more tests than just about any other athlete from outside the UK, certainly more than somebody from Bong-Bongo land

That makes her more clean than said athletes

I've no doubts she's clean - ALL the evidence suggests she is

She receieved a hefty punsihment, which I'd say was deserved, but her bigger punishment is tossers trying to belittle her achievement

pearls before swine, my friend, pearls before swine......