The Politics Thread

[a1]

What good would it do in a system that wouldn't redistribute it?I play to the whistle, because those are the cards that are dealt. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it.


And I think thats a poor response, because I don't recall any builder start a house with the feckin roof. If you want to turn it round, I want higher taxation, proportional representation, universal healthcare based on need not want. Name me a mainstream political party who would do that? And ask yourself why. Its not because people don't want it, check the relative voting figures since Thatcher disenfranchised half the country.

champagne socialist hypocrite shite..

" i earn a million pound a year and have 4 houses coz the system lets me, not that i agree with the system"

them sorts never burn most of their money to be equal to the average/the rest.

people who want proportional voting always finished second

if the "compulsary voting" stalin/hilter-esque shite happens then the communists have took over and the yanks are readying the nukes.

[BWFC_Insane]

What good would it do in a system that wouldn't redistribute it?I play to the whistle, because those are the cards that are dealt. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it.


And I think thats a poor response, because I don't recall any builder start a house with the feckin roof. If you want to turn it round, I want higher taxation, proportional representation, compulsory voting, universal healthcare based on need not want. Name me a mainstream political party who would do that? And ask yourself why. Its not because people don't want it, check the relative voting figures since Thatcher disenfranchised half the country.

To be fair LK any party that stands with a mandate of higher taxation will never win an election in this country.

I want higher taxation like you. But the majority do not.

As for re-distributing my "wealth" I echo what has already been said. Its a bit of a silly point.

What I believe in is paying a higher rate of taxation above certain earning levels to help fund improvements into public services and to fund the welfare state for those who truly cannot look after themselves.

[Lord Kangana]

A1: So if we had a system where everyone's vote counted, we'd have an ideology the yanks don't agree with? Well thanks for that, but I still don't see the problem.

[Worthy4England]

How many of your luxuries do you give up so that others less fortunate than you can be better off, LK?


Same goes for you, Mr Insane.

And anyone else who would care to sneer at me as being some heartless privileged bastard who hasn't got a clue what the real world is like.

I donate straight off my payroll. What's left is mine to keep, so I don't give up "luxuries" but maybe I have a few less than otherwise might be the case. Can I sneer?

I''m curious as to your "privileged" bit as you've mentioned it a few times..I count myself as privileged too, but not really on the basis of wealth, more on the basis that I've been given the tools to earn wealth..

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I''m curious as to your "privileged" bit as you've mentioned it a few times..I count myself as privileged too, but not really on the basis of wealth, more on the basis that I've been given the tools to earn wealth..

I have repeated it a few times, pointedly, because it was said of me first.

[Lord Kangana]

By whom, might I ask?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Obsession with relative wealth/income etc. seems to me to be class jealousy most of the time.

That's a fairly simplistic view Mummy.

Here's another one: the ability to dismiss concerns over wealth inequality seems to me to be quite some privilege.

[Lord Kangana]

That doesn't strike me as what you think its saying.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

What I believe in is paying a higher rate of taxation above certain earning levels to help fund improvements into public services and to fund the welfare state for those who truly cannot look after themselves.

And these levels wouldn't be above what you earn, by any chance?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

That doesn't strike me as what you think its saying.

There has been a tone in these dicussions to effect of "try to push yourself beyond the first tee", "go outside and see what's going on in the world" etc.

Perhaps you'll forgive me for being slightly on the defensive on this point.

[Lord Kangana]

Its good to see a Tory squirm. Trust me, you're fulfilling your own public service here....

...just don't try to privatise it.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Its good to see a Tory squirm. Trust me, you're fulfilling your own public service here....

...just don't try to privatise it.

Someone on the radio before:

"I reckon all these bankers out of work should be recruited to run the national train services..... so then they can mess them so badly we can get them nationalised again too."

[Worthy4England]

Ahhh, I didn't read DSB as calling you priviliged particularly, more that anyone who could dismiss the gap between "wealth" and "poverty" so easily probably hadn't experienced the latter - which doesn't necessarily make them a member of the former either...

[a1]

A1: So if we had a system where everyone's vote counted, we'd have an ideology the yanks don't agree with? Well thanks for that, but I still don't see the problem.

youve never queued up for 5 days for a stale loaf of bread and i doubt the 'mericans would.

we'd be at least one step further along than the cold war for one.

and if you assume forcing folk to vote will lead to an ultra liberal socialist paradise then youre wrong - it'll most probably lead to some neo-fascist nightmare you'd hate.

compulsary voting is the tool of the ultra left / right under the guise of "making people take an interest in politics"

[Lord Kangana]

Like that bastion of commie red b*stards Australia, perhaps?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Ahhh, I didn't read DSB as calling you priviliged particularly, more that anyone who could dismiss the gap between "wealth" and "poverty" so easily probably hadn't experienced the latter - which doesn't necessarily make them a member of the former either...

Again, I wasn't even necessarily using 'privileged' in the loaded way that you suggest.

But who cares?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Anyway, I won't be up for election for a few years just yet, so back to the real world...

Christopher Hitchens endorses Obama

http://www.slate.com/id/2202163/

Difficult to disagree with too much of that.

[Lord Kangana]

I don't think this election is based on Obama's strength, more the oppositions weakness. Whichever side of the political divide you fall on, its never a desirable state of affairs not to have a strong and vociferous opposition.

[a1]

Like that bastion of commie red b*stards Australia, perhaps?

hmm, aka- the 51st state of america.

it's (compulsary vote) not exactly "free". its like being drafted.

these "champagne socialists" arent social at all - theyre as 'money wantee' 'do as i say not as i do' as the capitalist pigdogs they hate.

[Lord Kangana]

I'm sorry, so is Australia a totalitarian state or not? Or Argentina, Belgium, Greece, Italy or the other 27 countries that have it? Drop the platitudes, start the politics. Why would it make us a dictatorship to have it?