DSB inspired "Supposed great works of art" thread

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:40 pm

sluffy wrote:Anyone ever seen the violin hanging on the door at Chatsworth House?

Yep!

I love Chatsworth, what a terrific place.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:50 pm

And I'll suggest the Alhambra Palace in Granada, Spain to anyone lucky enough to see it. The sheer quality of the carvings, arabesques, tilework and mouldings there is something to behold. Words cannot describe.

Dujon · Post by **Dujon** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:02 am

Yes, the skill and craftsmanship of years of yore fills me, as one who finds it hard to wield a hammer, with envy - and even a sense of awe. I also enjoy the paintings of many of the so-called realists of the past (Constable in particular) who could reproduce in manner magnificent the feeling of the time. Then again I am also attracted to those who have been categorised as impressionists (Monet in particular). I suspect that the latter is because, at least to me, the paintings - devoid of detail - bring out the feeling, or essence, of the scene depicted. Perhaps I should wear my spectacles other than when driving.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:54 am

Our Kid was in Barthelona last week and took in the Sagrada Familia whilst there. Lazy Spanish bastards have only had about 130 years to get it finished

Absolutely anything that Gaudi designed works for me.

Little Green Man · Post by **Little Green Man** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:01 am

Lord Kangana wrote:must be a ringing endorsement

As the campanologist said to the bishop.

Of course, Lincoln Cathedral is the best due to the number of little green man carvings (he says, impishly).

communistworkethic · Post by **communistworkethic** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:19 am

as ever there's some blinkered gobshittery on this thread ... all modern art is shit, anyone who doesn't drag their ass round cathedrals is a phillestine...etc. Art is all in the eye of the beholder, it's completely subjective.

For me, the technical skills of some works far outweigh the 'impression' created by other more interpretable works, Turner over Dali for example. But I can also find many modern pieces which don't perhaps have that draftsman-like technique but deliver on an aesthetic level that just appeals to me - Roy Lichtenstein, Warhol, Banksy (i love spotting them around London), Hirst's shark in MOMO. For me Van Gogh is poor technically but delivers through the vibrancy of the image and colours, but Rubens leaves me cold. Like Bruce, Gaudi is a genius to me, but I understand that somewon't like it because it's different.

Art is about you and your interaction with it, nobody else's. I take art from the view of 'does it need explaining to me?' If so, it's failed because I'm then reliant on someone else's interpretation and that's were the charlatans operate - the artistic Emperor's new clothes, and allows the piss to be royally taken by others (David James being "merc'd")

Like what you want to like, don't like what you don't and don't.

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:36 am

Bruce Rioja wrote:Our Kid was in Barthelona last week and took in the Sagrada Familia whilst there. Lazy Spanish bastards have only had about 130 years to get it finished Absolutely anything that Gaudi designed works for me.

The Gaudi cathedral in barcelona remains for me the most staggeringly beautiful cathedral I've been in - and I've been in a lot! - and it's not even finished! I doubt it will be finished in my lifetime - but if it is..... WOW!

Coventry Cathedral is also staggeringly beautiful - I have a thing for modern cathedral design (I hate baroque) - and particularly some of the amazing things that are being done by modern artists with stained glass....

as for artists that I don't "get" but are generally considered to be brilliant...

Turner.... particularly the misty foggy blurred indistict paintings of boats far out in a dark and stormy sea!! I know what kind of feelings it is supposed to invoke - but it does nowt for me...

On the other side of the coin - artists that suprised me - having seen postcards and books - and then seeing the real thing - not expecting to be impressed - the Impressionists (mainly Waterhouse and Millait) ... Ophelia, Lady of Shalotte, simply staggering brush-manship....

Phil

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:27 pm

communistworkethic wrote:Like what you want to like, don't like what you don't and don't.

I try to have much the same attitude to forum posts...

Mate of mine came up with a good example last night: James Joyce's Ulysses. It's certainly the worst book I've ever nicked from a school library.

Zulus Thousand of em · Post by **Zulus Thousand of em** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:45 pm

communistworkethic wrote:as ever there's some blinkered gobshittery on this thread... anyone who doesn't drag their ass round cathedrals is a phillestine.

Who said that? Please show me - in this thread.

And do you mean Philistine? (Just because TD misspelt it that way doesn't mean that you should adopt it as common usage.)

jimbo · Post by **jimbo** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:01 pm

Anything by Jackson Pollock is a load of shite IMO. I also love the Gaudi stuff and have to say Barca is one of my favourite cities because of it. Painting wise, the best I've seen are Goya's black paintings in the Prado. Several pieces of moving work.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:05 pm

jimbo wrote:Anything by Jackson Pollock is a load of shite IMO. I also love the Gaudi stuff and have to say Barca is one of my favourite cities because of it. Painting wise, the best I've seen are Goya's black paintings in the Prado. Several pieces of moving work.

I'm suddenly transported to The Fast Show...

I'm with you (and Bruce, IIRC) on Gaudi and Barça

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:28 pm

Zulus Thousand of em wrote:
communistworkethic wrote:as ever there's some blinkered gobshittery on this thread... anyone who doesn't drag their ass round cathedrals is a phillestine.
Who said that? Please show me - in this thread.

And do you mean Philistine? (Just because TD misspelt it that way doesn't mean that you should adopt it as common usage.)

Oh dear, did TD venture a mild joke complete with smiley? Don't remember anything about asses, or even dragging. Hey ho, must watch mt p's and q's more carefully. "Blinkered gobshittery"? Must be new way of saying "I don't agree".

Dujon · Post by **Dujon** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:42 am

communistworkethic wrote: . . . as ever there's some blinkered gobshittery on this thread ... all modern art is shit, anyone who doesn't drag their ass round cathedrals is a phillestine...etc. . .

You are a stirrer, communistworthethic, you really are. Starting a post with an unsupported statement such as that and then turning it into a pretty decent résumé of most posters' feelings takes a bit of class. Well done.

communistworkethic · Post by **communistworkethic** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:49 am

oooh look the old folks and mods gang up, show me where i put those comments as direct quotes; paraphrased to illustrate the point.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:38 pm

communistworkethic wrote:oooh look the old folks and mods gang up, show me where i put those comments as direct quotes; paraphrased to illustrate the point.

Personally, I didn't speak as "old folk", or as a mod, just a bit of friendly banter from a forum member. May surprise you to know I agree with the general sentiment; people will like what they like and not what they don't. It's the way of the world and how it should be. Bruce made the valid point in another thread that what we remember fondly isn't particularly the occasion in comparison to others, rather the fact it happened in our own life and gave us personal pleasure at the time.

What I object to is people being classed as blinkered or a gobshite because their views might not agree with someone else's. Unlike Dujon ( although I do agree with the point) I don't regard that as class at all. I'd also like the thread to carry on and hear some other views about what they see as art.

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:01 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
communistworkethic wrote:Like what you want to like, don't like what you don't and don't.
I try to have much the same attitude to forum posts...

Mate of mine came up with a good example last night: James Joyce's Ulysses. It's certainly the worst book I've ever nicked from a school library.

Bull's eye! And in the centre of the bull's eye! The most over-hyped, over-rated novel in english...

Errrmmm... Well, actually, the last 80 pages or so, 'molly bloom's monologue'... erotic, truthful, heartbreaking, sad...

Finnegan's wake, on the other hand, by the sme author, has no redeeming qualities... but doesn't qualify because few have claimed it as a work of genius...

I remember Penguin hyping Ulysses as 'the greatest novel of the 20th century'... Wonder how many people read it for that reason... and how many stopped reading novels because if that's the best on offer... Feck it...

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:15 pm

thebish wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:Our Kid was in Barthelona last week and took in the Sagrada Familia whilst there. Lazy Spanish bastards have only had about 130 years to get it finished Absolutely anything that Gaudi designed works for me.
The Gaudi cathedral in barcelona remains for me the most staggeringly beautiful cathedral I've been in - and I've been in a lot! - and it's not even finished! I doubt it will be finished in my lifetime - but if it is..... WOW!

Coventry Cathedral is also staggeringly beautiful - I have a thing for modern cathedral design (I hate baroque) - and particularly some of the amazing things that are being done by modern artists with stained glass....

as for artists that I don't "get" but are generally considered to be brilliant...

Turner.... particularly the misty foggy blurred indistict paintings of boats far out in a dark and stormy sea!! I know what kind of feelings it is supposed to invoke - but it does nowt for me...

On the other side of the coin - artists that suprised me - having seen postcards and books - and then seeing the real thing - not expecting to be impressed - the Impressionists (mainly Waterhouse and Millait) ... Ophelia, Lady of Shalotte, simply staggering brush-manship....

Phil

Errrmmm... just to give pedantry a bad name... the sagrada familia is not actually the barcelona cathedral, or anyone else's. The Seu, the barcelona cathedral is much older, and much grimmer...

Gaudi conceived of the sagrada familia, i think, as an expiatory church... the sins 'expiated' by its building being those of the barcelona anarchists, whose hobbies of burning churches, rising against governments, and slogan of 'no god, no master', Gaudi and, presumably, god, disapproved of...

I have no information on how much God approved on the sagrada familia, but the barcelona anarchists, in 1936, as they resisted the fascist attempted coup, spared the church on 'artistic grounds'. George orwell, then in Barcelona (see Homage to Catalonia), thought this a great mistake - for him the building was hideous.

For myself, I'm on the side of the anarchists politically. But for brilliance and beauty on Gaudi's.

mofgimmers · Post by **mofgimmers** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:31 pm

William the White wrote:George orwell, then in Barcelona (see Homage to Catalonia), thought this a great mistake - for him the building was hideous.

You can't trust a man who chose to live in Wigan for a while though!

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:05 pm

mofgimmers wrote:
William the White wrote:George orwell, then in Barcelona (see Homage to Catalonia), thought this a great mistake - for him the building was hideous.
You can't trust a man who chose to live in Wigan for a while though!

Not one single bad word shallt be said against that man

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:36 pm

mofgimmers wrote:
William the White wrote:George orwell, then in Barcelona (see Homage to Catalonia), thought this a great mistake - for him the building was hideous.
You can't trust a man who chose to live in Wigan for a while though!

mof, believe me, once you've read his description of wigan, you trust him...

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