Sky Sports: Bolton agree fee with Newcastle for Nolan

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:58 pm

a1 wrote:is the real plan to buy BOTH them midfielders ?

*cough*
Y'mean Veloso and Vukcevic?

Shit me, that really would be gambling.

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Post by jaffka » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:59 pm

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Not much time left in the transfer window to buy a match ready, class centre midfielder who can readily replace him.
tis true - but maybe I haven't gone all the way yet to believing that the club would be so stupid not to have a likely target lined up - or some confidence about what might be needed to bring in Veloso...

funnily enough - i was kind of wondering if veloso's arrival might be the thing needed to revitalise Nolan - maybe it was clutching at straws - but - maybe we'll never know now (DSB's sensible caution having been taken into account!)
twas last seasons fiasco when we failed to adequately replace Anelka that worries me :(
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Post by palexjones » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:01 pm

Points:
This all hit mid afternoonish
Toon lost 2 key players last night
Toon are DESPRATE
Started, from what I can see, as a saturation story leaked to north eastern rags to ramp the story up
Nothing from Bolton but have they had time to respond they are probably all as shocked as we are right now

I think ALL of this is coming from Newcastle in a wide boy(Kinnear/ashley they are both wide boys) attempt to tempt Nolan to move fulled by the constant abuse he recives from our fans by saying come ere laddie we will look after you no abuse ere.

I am not sure I believe much of this. This transfer window is as mad as the league this season - Just not real!!!!
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Post by thebish » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:06 pm

jaffka wrote:
twas last seasons fiasco when we failed to adequately replace Anelka that worries me :(

I kinda thought you might say that! But I don't think Nolan is as irreplaceable as Anelka was.... I'm not saying it's easy - just that should this be the case (and maybe that's a big IF) - then I am still fairly sure words have been said in ears about a replacement - and they are fairly confident....

Anelka was a one-off - not replaceable in a month of blue moons....

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Post by keveh » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:06 pm

I don't know if there is anything not to believe.

Everywhere is reporting that a fee has been agreed, and Nolan is having a medical tomorrow. There are lots of rumors around, but to say a fee has been agreed is a bit of a step up from thinking about, or making an approach.

I think it's about time our midfield was shuffled in some way, and if we can generate a decent amount of case in the process, then I am alright with us selling Nolan.

Plus he's been poor for years.

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Post by jaffka » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:10 pm

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twas last seasons fiasco when we failed to adequately replace Anelka that worries me :(

I kinda thought you might say that! But I don't think Nolan is as irreplaceable as Anelka was.... I'm not saying it's easy - just that should this be the case (and maybe that's a big IF) - then I am still fairly sure words have been said in ears about a replacement - and they are fairly confident....

Anelka was a one-off - not replaceable in a month of blue moons....
Well I am sitting in the unconvinced camp, however if I see tomorrow he has gone, I really, really hope that you are right

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Post by thebish » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:10 pm

anybody else also thinking of putting money on him scoring his debut goal for the toon on 1st March??? :cry:

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Post by thebish » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:11 pm

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twas last seasons fiasco when we failed to adequately replace Anelka that worries me :(

I kinda thought you might say that! But I don't think Nolan is as irreplaceable as Anelka was.... I'm not saying it's easy - just that should this be the case (and maybe that's a big IF) - then I am still fairly sure words have been said in ears about a replacement - and they are fairly confident....

Anelka was a one-off - not replaceable in a month of blue moons....
Well I am sitting in the unconvinced camp, however if I see tomorrow he has gone, I really, really hope that you are right
don't worry jaffka - I almost always am! :wink:

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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:14 pm

thebish wrote:
jaffka wrote:
thebish wrote:
jaffka wrote:
twas last seasons fiasco when we failed to adequately replace Anelka that worries me :(

I kinda thought you might say that! But I don't think Nolan is as irreplaceable as Anelka was.... I'm not saying it's easy - just that should this be the case (and maybe that's a big IF) - then I am still fairly sure words have been said in ears about a replacement - and they are fairly confident....

Anelka was a one-off - not replaceable in a month of blue moons....
Well I am sitting in the unconvinced camp, however if I see tomorrow he has gone, I really, really hope that you are right
don't worry jaffka - I almost always am! :wink:
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:15 pm

keveh wrote:I don't know if there is anything not to believe.

Everywhere is reporting that a fee has been agreed, and Nolan is having a medical tomorrow. There are lots of rumors around, but to say a fee has been agreed is a bit of a step up from thinking about, or making an approach.
That's as maybe, Keveh, but I'm telling you – as a veteran, professional media-watcher – they're all taking the story from the same source

As I say, doesn't mean it won't happen, but what you're seeing is the world's media reporting a one-source story

Even that source, the Newky Chronicle, is still putting "agreed a fee" in quotes (having substantially altered the fee itself, which might also tell you something)

I know how the media works mate and this isn't a guaranteed story

Remember Sky reporting that Kaka had agreed to join City?

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Post by lovethesmellofnapalm » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:17 pm

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lovethesmellofnapalm wrote:but i would still be confident of staying up with a midfield comprising a permutationMuamba, Taylor, Gardner, Basham,Davies McCann, Davies (M)?
You have to be joking mate. 2 established midfielders, 2 left wingers and 2 kids, one of whom has played a few games and done ok.

We have a tiny squad and everyone, EVERYONE has been going on about how we are desperately short in the midfield of all places. The solution is to sell our captain, who happens to be a midfielder, 4 days before the deadline on the back of what appears to be a collapse for a Veloso deal.

I don't see who the hell we're going to replace him with, on OR off the field.
Not joking at all. If you take the view as i do that Nolan has been dreadful for at least a season and a half, that our midfield against Man U and Arse esp Muamba looked better without him and that the division this year is the most shite its been for a long time- then selling Nolan on does not constitute a gamble at all.
AND if we get someone (2?) in (and i think we are well down the road to doing that) then it constitutes good business all round. Good luck to Nolan - i sincerely hope a move revitalises his career- but i dont think it will.
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Post by thebish » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:20 pm

lovethesmellofnapalm wrote:Good luck to Nolan - i sincerely hope a move revitalises his career- but i dont think it will.
tricky one that... if he goes to a relegation rival - i don't then want to see him popping up scoring goals for fun.... i'd want to see him slide into obscurity (that's the kind of nice guy I am!) - plus I could then say "told you so!" :wink:

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:22 pm

thebish wrote:
lovethesmellofnapalm wrote:Good luck to Nolan - i sincerely hope a move revitalises his career- but i dont think it will.
tricky one that... if he goes to a relegation rival - i don't then want to see him popping up scoring goals for fun.... i'd want to see him slide into obscurity (that's the kind of nice guy I am!) - plus I could then say "told you so!" :wink:
Same as I said about Allardyce - I'd want him to revitalise himself if he weren't doing it for a rival. Because I'm a Bolton fan, not a Nolan fan or a Sam fan.

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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:24 pm

thebish wrote:
lovethesmellofnapalm wrote:Good luck to Nolan - i sincerely hope a move revitalises his career- but i dont think it will.
tricky one that... if he goes to a relegation rival - i don't then want to see him popping up scoring goals for fun.... i'd want to see him slide into obscurity (that's the kind of nice guy I am!) - plus I could then say "told you so!" :wink:
But once the season gets into full swing, a huge club like Newcastle won't be relegation rivals - they'll be battling it out in the race to enter the top 4 as they normally do, so it shouldn't be an issue.

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Post by thebish » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:26 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
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lovethesmellofnapalm wrote:Good luck to Nolan - i sincerely hope a move revitalises his career- but i dont think it will.
tricky one that... if he goes to a relegation rival - i don't then want to see him popping up scoring goals for fun.... i'd want to see him slide into obscurity (that's the kind of nice guy I am!) - plus I could then say "told you so!" :wink:
But once the season gets into full swing, a huge club like Newcastle won't be relegation rivals - they'll be battling it out in the race to enter the top 4 as they normally do, so it shouldn't be an issue.

ahhh yes - silly me! 8)

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Post by bw@bw » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:31 pm

Am I the only one who thinks they are putting a lot of faith in Mark Davies?????????

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Post by Tombwfc » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:32 pm

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The proposed move of Kevin Nolan from Bolton Wanderers to Newcastle United seems to be bucking the trend of many Premier League transfers this January and resolving itself with unusual haste.

Goal.com reported earlier that a £4.5million fee had been agreed with the two club's for the services of the dynamic midfielder, and now reports in England have confirmed that the move had progressed a stage further, with Nolan travelling to Tyneside to undergo a medical with the Magpies tomorrow morning, according to Sky Sports News.

The Newcastle Chronicle confirms that, should the medical provide him with the all-clear, Nolan will ink a deal to complete his switch from the Reebok Stadium to St James' Park in the morning.

The Liverpool born player, a dynamic midfielder who creates and scores goals, has been indentified by Toon manager Joe Kinnear as possessing the necessary battling qualities to help drag Newcastle out of the relegation mire that is so swiftly sucking them down.

Kinnear has moved swiftly for the player after Magpies midfielder Joey Barton faced up to the prospect another two months on the sidelines after breaking his foot during the Toon's 2-1 defeat at Manchester City last night.

Should Nolan sign in the morning, as is anticipated, then it will provide a real boost to the Geordie club ahead of this weekend's eagerly anticipated Tyne-Wear derby with Sunderland.
I can't say too much right now because anything I say will be hugely coloured by emotion. I am absolutely gutted at this.

If Megson HONESTLY thinks the team is better off without Nolan, it just goes to prove that he really is on a mission to remove any kind of quality we ever had and replace them with cloggers. I never thought I'd be one of "those guys" but right now, with this deal looking like reality, I can't help but feel utterly resentful towards the club for letting this happen.

The deal will go through tomorrow morning, confirmed by lunch...and we'll have a new thread "New Captain?" within minutes. Anyone who thinks "I'll drive him there" will get a rude awakening but it'll be too late as he'll have already gone. I can't help but feel people saying "good riddance" to him are in some ways, not fans of this club at all.

Sure, sure, he's just a player and BWFC will go on...maybe there is no room for sentiment in football but *I* am not "in football" and I do feel sentiment, I'm a fan of Nolan. I'm a fan of what he represents not just on the pitch but off it too. Where his colleagues and betters (skill wise) are getting arrested, pissed and shagging sluts, he's a bastian of what I'd have aspired to be as a lad, a model professional who takes it all on his chin and keeps trying. He may not be the player he was, but I'll never forget some of the incredible goals he scored for us.

Good luck Nobby, thanks for captaining my club with the dignity and pride you did. The abuse you've taken from some "fans"...well, thank you for putting up with it, and I don't blame you for leaving.
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I agree, except for the idea that Megson has, on a whim, decided that he doesn't need the captain and closest ally for the past 18 months and is now forcing him out the door. Nolan bleeds Bolton Wanderers, but every man has his limit, and i think he's just had enough of the abuse (and who could blame him?). And so I think he quite fancies a change now, and if that happens to be to a bigger club, with bigger wages and a better chance of getting in the England squad, then all the better. Certainly if he manages to galvanise Newcastles squad in the way he did ours last season, then he'll not be short of adoration.

If a deal is done, it'll be to suit all parties. I will bet anyone on here any amount of money they wish to put up that we won't be letting him go without a replacement in mind. Anelka was an entirely different situation, in that he was a notoriously sulky Frenchman who we'd promised to let go if a big club came in for him, theres certainly no danger of Nolan not giving his all if we forced him to stay.

Obviously i'm gutted, and i'd like nothing more than for this to be a nonesense rumour and us to keep Nolan and sign another midfielder, but there are merits to this deal. For both parties. There doesn't always have to be someone to blame.

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Post by palexjones » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:32 pm

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lovethesmellofnapalm wrote:Good luck to Nolan - i sincerely hope a move revitalises his career- but i dont think it will.
tricky one that... if he goes to a relegation rival - i don't then want to see him popping up scoring goals for fun.... i'd want to see him slide into obscurity (that's the kind of nice guy I am!) - plus I could then say "told you so!" :wink:
Leaving this club has a habit of turning sour for them Ricketts, diouf to name 2 recent ones.

But I still kinda see this as a dastardly plot by Kinnear 'n'Ashley to grab a experienced prem midfielder as thier ship is sinking not to mention a chance for our old friends the press in general to stick the boot in
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:34 pm

Tombwfc wrote:Nolan bleeds Bolton Wanderers, but every man has his limit, and i think he's just had enough of the abuse (and who could blame him?). And so I think he quite fancies a change now, and if that happens to be to a bigger club, with bigger wages and a better chance of getting in the England squad, then all the better. Certainly if he manages to galvanise Newcastles squad in the way he did ours last season, then he'll not be short of adoration.

If a deal is done, it'll be to suit all parties. I will bet anyone on here any amount of money they wish to put up that we won't be letting him go without a replacement in mind. Anelka was an entirely different situation, in that he was a notoriously sulky Frenchman who we'd promised to let go if a big club came in for him, theres certainly no danger of Nolan not giving his all if we forced him to stay.

Obviously i'm gutted, and i'd like nothing more than for this to be a nonesense rumour and us to keep Nolan and sign another midfielder, but there are merits to this deal. For both parties. There doesn't always have to be someone to blame.
Well said Tom. Well said indeed.

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Post by palexjones » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:35 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:Nolan bleeds Bolton Wanderers, but every man has his limit, and i think he's just had enough of the abuse (and who could blame him?). And so I think he quite fancies a change now, and if that happens to be to a bigger club, with bigger wages and a better chance of getting in the England squad, then all the better. Certainly if he manages to galvanise Newcastles squad in the way he did ours last season, then he'll not be short of adoration.

If a deal is done, it'll be to suit all parties. I will bet anyone on here any amount of money they wish to put up that we won't be letting him go without a replacement in mind. Anelka was an entirely different situation, in that he was a notoriously sulky Frenchman who we'd promised to let go if a big club came in for him, theres certainly no danger of Nolan not giving his all if we forced him to stay.

Obviously i'm gutted, and i'd like nothing more than for this to be a nonesense rumour and us to keep Nolan and sign another midfielder, but there are merits to this deal. For both parties. There doesn't always have to be someone to blame.
Well said Tom. Well said indeed.
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