Benitez .... prick

[H. Pedersen]

Reina, Carragher, Skrtel, Agger, Dossena, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Aurelio, Babel, Ngog, Benayoun.


Team today, WOW. Chasing the league, been drawing too many games, so starts with three attacking players, one of who is a kid. I thought he'd learned this year, but he doesn't seem to have.

He's a shit manager who got extremely lucky a few times. Stealing a living, he's just lucky Liverpool fans are so used to failure that they don't notice.

I stand by my previous assertion.

This might be the end of the road for the fat bastard.

And I'll stand by my assertion that you are an utterly clueless prick!

How have you lasted this long on the board without going the route of Batman and CWE?

[Bruce Rioja]

Reina, Carragher, Skrtel, Agger, Dossena, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Aurelio, Babel, Ngog, Benayoun.


Team today, WOW. Chasing the league, been drawing too many games, so starts with three attacking players, one of who is a kid. I thought he'd learned this year, but he doesn't seem to have.

He's a shit manager who got extremely lucky a few times. Stealing a living, he's just lucky Liverpool fans are so used to failure that they don't notice.

I stand by my previous assertion.

This might be the end of the road for the fat bastard.

And I'll stand by my assertion that you are an utterly clueless prick!

How have you lasted this long on the board without going the route of Batman and CWE?

Easy. By reminding everyone that you are an utterly clueless prick. Not that anyone needs reminding, like!

Here's a bare arse for you. (_!_) You clueless prick!

[Prufrock]

Juande Ramos did pretty dang well in La Liga and European competition. Didn't stop him from being an utter failure in the Premier League. Consider that in all his time at Liverpool, Benitez has signed one player who would make it into Manchester United's team.

Firstly Juande Ramos is not as good a manager as Benitez. It is the system at Sevilla which is well respected and meant a clown could probably do well there. There was not long ago talk about Manolo Jimenez, the current Sevilla incumbent, losing his job for not being good enough, they are third, which is incidentally, the highest they finished under Ramos. Even from there there is a MASSIVE gap from finishing third in a league, and actually winning it; in Sapin, that gap is normally called Barcelona and Real Madrid. However, is your point that Ramos is a shit manager too? Really? Because again, no matter how good the set up, you still don't win consecutive UEFA cups, and mount a title challenge with a relatively small club if you are shit. Yes he failed at Spurs, where he had a lot less control of the buying of players than most english mangers, but does that make him wank?

Your argument is so so flawed. You do NOT win two Spanish League titles, one Uefa Cup, one champions league, one FA cup, reach the final of the Champions League again, and FINALLY make Liverpool at least look like the second best team in the country after 19 years in the doldrums if you are shit. He IS a prick, that is unquestionable, and were you to say he isn't particularly suited to the Premiership, where anyone can and will beat anyone, i would be inclined to agree with you. But to dismiss that record, compared with the spending power of Real and Barca when he was at Valencia, and that of United and Chelsea since at Liverpool, off hand as lucky, means you are talking arse gravy of the highest, OXO quality.

[H. Pedersen]

Resort to personal insults all you like. Doesn't magically erase five years of Bolo Zenden, Mark Gonzalez, Voronin, and Robbie Keane. When you spend all summer chasing Gareth Barry, you're never going to win the title.

[Prufrock]

Resort to personal insults all you like. Doesn't magically erase five years of Bolo Zenden, Mark Gonzalez, Voronin, and Robbie Keane. When you spend all summer chasing Gareth Barry, you're never going to win the title.

No personal insults involved at all, i think what you are talking is pure and utter bullsh*t. That's not personal. Is Alex Ferguson a 'shit manager' because he signed Juan Veron, Mourinho for Malouda? No of course not. You can flag individual signings all yuo want, but explain to me how TWO La Liga league titles, one UEFA cup, one Champions League title, one Champions League runner up title, and one FA cup is 'shit'?

[H. Pedersen]

Prufrock, didn't mean you when I mentioned the personal insults.

Yes, Ferguson has signed some disappointing players, and he's also signed some very good ones. As I said, Liverpool have two players who might get a game at Old Trafford, and one of them wasn't signed by Benitez. If you would like me to adjust the semantics, I will revise my comment from "Benitez is shit" to "Benitez is never, ever good enough to win the Premier League title due to his bizarre transfer and selection policies."

[FD]

The most disappointing thing is that yet again, it's a one horse race for the title, very early on, it's all over.

How boring.

[Prufrock]

Prufrock, didn't mean you when I mentioned the personal insults.

Yes, Ferguson has signed some disappointing players, and he's also signed some very good ones. As I said, Liverpool have two players who might get a game at Old Trafford, and one of them wasn't signed by Benitez. If you would like me to adjust the semantics, I will revise my comment from "Benitez is shit" to "Benitez is never, ever good enough to win the Premier League title due to his bizarre transfer and selection policies."

But that's not semantics you are adjusting, that's the entire sense of it, you said he was shit, he clearly isn't. I don't agree he is NEVER good enough to win the title, though i certainly don't think he will this season. I don't think he is suited to this league, something i take it we both agree on, and i don't think he has learnt enough, but he HAS got closer to United. It must be remebered also, United have three £30 million plus players in their side, with Tevez a possible fourth, yet, whilst Benitez has hardly been frugal, he can't match that. Ferguson says who he wants, and the board go out and get them, Benitez hasn't had that same luxury. I would like to keep maintaing, just so we don't forget the point of this thread, he is still a MASSIVE PRICK, but poor manager he aint.

[James B]

The most disappointing thing is that yet again, it's a one horse race for the title, very early on, it's all over.

How boring.

odd to say 'yet again' when the last 2 seasons were closely run.

[H. Pedersen]

But that's not semantics you are adjusting, that's the entire sense of it, you said he was shit, he clearly isn't.

I just can't escape the idea that with the time and money Benitez has had his team should be a lot better. Five years and millions of pounds later and he's bringing on Fabio Aurelio and Nabil El Zhar to try to get a result. You can say that Benitez hasn't had as much cash to work with as Ferguson or Mourinho, but with signings like Crouch, Kuyt, Benayoun, Dossena, and Keane (though some claim Keane was forced on him) would you trust this man with the kind of money Sir Alex has?

[Prufrock]

But that's not semantics you are adjusting, that's the entire sense of it, you said he was shit, he clearly isn't.

I just can't escape the idea that with the time and money Benitez has had his team should be a lot better. Five years and millions of pounds later and he's bringing on Fabio Aurelio and Nabil El Zhar to try to get a result. You can say that Benitez hasn't had as much cash to work with as Ferguson or Mourinho, but with signings like Crouch, Kuyt, Benayoun, Dossena, and Keane (though some claim Keane was forced on him) would you trust this man with the kind of money Sir Alex has?

His team should be a lot better? They have finally given United at least a semi-run for their money, yet for most of the season have been without at least one of their so called only good players. Anyone can pick uninspiring players out of both squads, Fletcher, O'Shea, Park, Brown anyone? Results are what count, adn this season they have been much better. Im sorry I just can't escape the idea that crap managers don't have such impressive lists of trophies won, they just don't.

[boltonboris]

But that's not semantics you are adjusting, that's the entire sense of it, you said he was shit, he clearly isn't.

I just can't escape the idea that with the time and money Benitez has had his team should be a lot better. Five years and millions of pounds later and he's bringing on Fabio Aurelio and Nabil El Zhar to try to get a result. You can say that Benitez hasn't had as much cash to work with as Ferguson or Mourinho, but with signings like Crouch, Kuyt, Benayoun, Dossena, and Keane (though some claim Keane was forced on him) would you trust this man with the kind of money Sir Alex has?

His team should be a lot better? They have finally given United at least a semi-run for their money, yet for most of the season have been without at least one of their so called only good players. Anyone can pick uninspiring players out of both squads, Fletcher, O'Shea, Park, Brown anyone? Results are what count, adn this season they have been much better. Im sorry I just can't escape the idea that crap managers don't have such impressive lists of trophies won, they just don't.

Uninspiring maybe, but always in the side during the 'big' games. If Ferguson trusts them enough to chuck 'em in on a regular basis in the Champions league and against title 'rivals', who are we to argue

[BWFC_Insane]

Is Benitez useless? no.

Is Ferguson a better manager than Benitez? Yes by some way.

Is Mourinho better than Benitez? Again yes by some margin.

Benitez's main fault is his buying which at times has been poor. I also think he lacks proper understanding of everything that goes on during games in this league.

However, he has improved Liverpool but whether he can win the title is another matter!

[Puskas]

Is Benitez useless? no.

Is Ferguson a better manager than Benitez? Yes by some way.

Is Mourinho better than Benitez? Again yes by some margin.

Benitez's main fault is his buying which at times has been poor. I also think he lacks proper understanding of everything that goes on during games in this league.

However, he has improved Liverpool but whether he can win the title is another matter!

You have three questions up there, but are ignoring the main one.

Is Benitez a prick? Yes.

[BWFC_Insane]

Is Benitez useless? no.

Is Ferguson a better manager than Benitez? Yes by some way.

Is Mourinho better than Benitez? Again yes by some margin.

Benitez's main fault is his buying which at times has been poor. I also think he lacks proper understanding of everything that goes on during games in this league.

However, he has improved Liverpool but whether he can win the title is another matter!

You have three questions up there, but are ignoring the main one.

Is Benitez a prick? Yes.

Goes without saying!

[Prufrock]

Is Benitez useless? no.

Is Ferguson a better manager than Benitez? Yes by some way.

Is Mourinho better than Benitez? Again yes by some margin.

Benitez's main fault is his buying which at times has been poor. I also think he lacks proper understanding of everything that goes on during games in this league.

However, he has improved Liverpool but whether he can win the title is another matter!

Agree with most of that, though if all three were managing in Spain I'm not so sure the others would better 'by some margin'. That said, if we define a manager as shit by him not being as good as Ferguson or Mourinho then there are a LOT of shit managers out there.

I'm not even too sure his buying has been too poor. He does seem to have had a scatter gun approach at times, but when you don't have 30M for Rooney, and for Berbatov, and for Ferdinand, and maybe for Tevez, then you have to gamble a bit more. End of the day, Liverpool have improved massively under him, though i certainly agree it's a big step from second to first.

[boltonboris]

Benitez may someday have the capacity to win the Title, that day will only come when Sir Alex retires

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Benitez's main fault is his buying which at times has been poor. I also think he lacks proper understanding of everything that goes on during games in this league.

However, he has improved Liverpool but whether he can win the title is another matter!

I think his buying's largely been good. Not saying he's not made mistakes, but then which manager hasn't? He's shipped off players who haven't fitted in, and is usually good at not having players outstay their welcome.

My main criticism of him is his control-freak nature. It leads to too timid an approach at times, especially in home games, which has proved costly. He can throw caution to the wind when there's 10 mins left, or when we're 1-0 down, but not enough from the off/when it's 0-0. On a couple of occasions he's made comments about games being 'too open', as if there is a fear of opening up a more attacking style of play that would give up some of our defensive solidity. I know it's a tough balance to find, and that's his job, but that's how it appears to me. If we'd opened up in the 7 draws at home, and ended up say winning two and losing two of them, we'd be better 2 points better off overall.

To be fair, he's getting a huge amount of stick for a manager whose side are second in the league and have lost only one game in the league all season. Should we be closer to United/above them? Quite probably, but the level of abuse directed at him seems just barmy to me. United are two time defending champions, with a larger budget and a more established squad, so it's a tough ask to better them.

I'd rather be in our position than Arsenal's, but how much flak is Wenger taking for Arsenal going backwards and not having won anything for years? Nowhere near the same amount. But then they play 'lavvly football', don't they, and they're ever so nice to watch... even if they are 6 points off 4th place and looking like seriously struggling at getting in the Champions League next year.

[H. Pedersen]

He may have improved Liverpool, but I think they should have improved more based on the money he spent. They just aren't that great, and they're looking dead in the water by February. They wouldn't even be in second place if Abramovich hadn't fallen out with Mourinho and Grant and Wenger hadn't gone senile and refused to buy anyone over the age of 13.

[BWFC_Insane]

Benitez's main fault is his buying which at times has been poor. I also think he lacks proper understanding of everything that goes on during games in this league.

However, he has improved Liverpool but whether he can win the title is another matter!

I think his buying's largely been good. Not saying he's not made mistakes, but then which manager hasn't? He's shipped off players who haven't fitted in, and is usually good at not having players outstay their welcome.

My main criticism of him is his control-freak nature. It leads to too timid an approach at times, especially in home games, which has proved costly. He can throw caution to the wind when there's 10 mins left, or when we're 1-0 down, but not enough from the off/when it's 0-0. On a couple of occasions he's made comments about games being 'too open', as if there is a fear of opening up a more attacking style of play that would give up some of our defensive solidity. I know it's a tough balance to find, and that's his job, but that's how it appears to me. If we'd opened up in the 7 draws at home, and ended up say winning two and losing two of them, we'd be better 2 points better off overall.

To be fair, he's getting a huge amount of stick for a manager whose side are second in the league and have lost only one game in the league all season. Should we be closer to United/above them? Quite probably, but the level of abuse directed at him seems just barmy to me. United are two time defending champions, with a larger budget and a more established squad, so it's a tough ask to better them.

I'd rather be in our position than Arsenal's, but how much flak is Wenger taking for Arsenal going backwards and not having won anything for years? Nowhere near the same amount. But then they play 'lavvly football', don't they, and they're ever so nice to watch... even if they are 6 points off 4th place and looking like seriously struggling at getting in the Champions League next year.

Depends what your perspective is. I mean signing Keane for big money then 6 months later getting shot doesn't suggest an astute buyer to me.

He's bought a lot of players that haven't made the grade and whilst every manager makes mistakes Benitez seems to sign more players not good enough for a club in Liverpools position than most!