The Masters 2009

FaninOz · Post by **FaninOz** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:45 pm

Anyone but Woods would be OK for me. Don't like the guy, he's very very very good but also very very arrogant, his display in winning last week was way over the top and not appropriate in my humble opinion for a golf tournament. He just gets up my nose, a bit like Rooney I guess, he is quoted as saying that he expects to win it and that for me is just sooooooooooo ------- I'm actually lost for words!!!!

Can't see anyone like Casey or McIroy winning it either as they don't have the "balls" to carry it off over the final round.

I would like someone like Ogilvy to win it, he's playing very well, is Australian and displays himself as a gentleman not a bar room brawler. But, if it can't be an Aussie then I would love to see any other non US player win.

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:03 pm

FaninOz wrote:Anyone but Woods would be OK for me. Don't like the guy, he's very very very good but also very very arrogant, his display in winning last week was way over the top and not appropriate in my humble opinion for a golf tournament. He just gets up my nose, a bit like Rooney I guess, he is quoted as saying that he expects to win it and that for me is just sooooooooooo ------- I'm actually lost for words!!!!

Get a grip.

He was asked directly if he expects to win, and he said 'always'. Is that not the attitude to have? Total self-belief is a big part of what makes him the greatest sportsman in the world, and one can hardly say that that self-belief isn't grounded in fact. Arrogant? Do me a favour... Woods is a completely different category of human being to the preening and petulant footballers, one of whom you have mentioned.

You think his reaction to winning for the time after coming back from a long lay-off and pretty serious surgery was over the top? You thought that was out of line with the emotion and drama of the moment?

If you are lost for words, perhaps it's for the best.

I would love to see Woods do it, and Bruce is absolutely right to advise against writing him off, but my feeling is that his chipping etc has not looked sharp enough to prevail this week. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

In terms of other players, I would like to see Harrington be in contention again, Norman to shoot four good rounds and for that 38-year old amateur who owns a petrol station to have a good knock. I'd actually like to see Phil Mickelson step up to the plate too: seeing him up close at Birkdale really made me warm to him.

ratbert · Post by **ratbert** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:29 pm

I think Tiger can justify his arrogance, if you can call it that. Belief in his own ability would be more a appropriate term. It's the 'we'll never beat Tiger, he's too good' attitude of the rest that has me shaking my head.

I'm going to go with Mickleson as well, I have a feeling he's been carefully planning some months for this one.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:37 pm

Right.

Fiver e/w Harrington 18-1

Fiver e/w Garcia 40-1

Show me the money!

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:40 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:Right.

Fiver e/w Harrington 18-1

Fiver e/w Garcia 40-1

Show me the money!

Harrington is a good call - not so sure about Sergio.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:43 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:Right.

Fiver e/w Harrington 18-1

Fiver e/w Garcia 40-1

Show me the money!

Harrington has not had to deal, quite surprisingly, with too much attention due to the return of the messiah/Tiger. Should be a solid bet for the cut and I'd fancy him to make the top four.

I think Garcia's putter is too inconsistent for him to have four good rounds. 40/1 though...nice price.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:53 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote: not so sure about Sergio.

Verbal wrote: I think Garcia's putter is too inconsistent for him to have four good rounds. 40/1 though...nice price.

If he ever learns how to sink puts from three feet like he can from thirteen then he'll boss the game. I just think that they're decent odds on a player that doubtlessly has the wherewithal, somewhere.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:20 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Verbal wrote: I think Garcia's putter is too inconsistent for him to have four good rounds. 40/1 though...nice price.
If he ever learns how to sink puts from three feet like he can from thirteen then he'll boss the game. I just think that they're decent odds on a player that doubtlessly has the wherewithal, somewhere.

Oh aye there's is no doubt he is one of the most gifted players in the game, and that is a nice price. If it gives you any hope, the national winner was 100/1...even though he started as favourite for the Welsh National a few months back! The boy has class, hope he produces it in spades for ye. Or at least gets no closer than 10ft from the pin on his approach shots.

Dujon · Post by **Dujon** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:35 pm

I sure as whatsit won't be gambling on results - not because I have any philosophical objection to gambling, but more that it's hard enough to earn money in the first place and to throw it away (particularly on a golf tournament) strikes me as pure stupidity. Then there's the fact that I'm a hopeless selector; if I were charged with the responsibility of selecting the Australian cricket team then England would win the Ashes by a whitewash every time the series was played.

Still 'n all: Woods, particularly after his spectacular performance on the weekend, would have to be the low-odds frame. I'd say Norman, even after his diabolical last round performance, might be worth a place bet (depending on how far down the field the odds are set) and Ogilvy most definitely an each way jobbie.

No one who turns up at Augusta is a mug golfer any more than are those who turn up at the the T-W Open so, if you're desperate for a bet, I'd forget golf and put your money on next year's Grand National - just pick a saddle cloth number as it's just as likely to win as the other 2,684 starters.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:40 pm

a bit off topic but speaking of bets, Hamburg are evens to beat city tomorrow.

Considering city's away record and Hamburg's home form, pretty much a banker.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:44 pm

Verbal wrote:a bit off topic but speaking of bets, Hamburg are evens to beat city tomorrow.

Considering city's away record and Hamburg's home form, pretty much a banker.

Worth a shout on Hamburg to win the home leg, but City to go through I'd have thought, depending on odds.

FaninOz · Post by **FaninOz** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:34 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote: You think his reaction to winning for the time after coming back from a long lay-off and pretty serious surgery was over the top? You thought that was out of line with the emotion and drama of the moment?

Simply yes, as I said he is very good and his skill is exceptional. But I don't like the guy, his attitude or his over the top actions. His dedication to winning is also exceptional but he could do it with a lot more decorum and humility.

Its allowed to have a different view, and that's mine for what its worth.

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:42 am

FaninOz wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote: You think his reaction to winning for the time after coming back from a long lay-off and pretty serious surgery was over the top? You thought that was out of line with the emotion and drama of the moment?
Simply yes, as I said he is very good and his skill is exceptional. But I don't like the guy, his attitude or his over the top actions. His dedication to winning is also exceptional but he could do it with a lot more decorum and humility.

Its allowed to have a different view, and that's mine for what its worth.

Think there's plenty of people out there, where you can admire their skill, but wouldn't want to go out for a beer with them. Woods falls into that category for me.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:28 am

FaninOz wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote: You think his reaction to winning for the time after coming back from a long lay-off and pretty serious surgery was over the top? You thought that was out of line with the emotion and drama of the moment?
Simply yes, as I said he is very good and his skill is exceptional. But I don't like the guy, his attitude or his over the top actions. His dedication to winning is also exceptional but he could do it with a lot more decorum and humility.

Its allowed to have a different view, and that's mine for what its worth.

Fair dos. I imagine this is the problem a lot of people have with Andy Murray when compared to Nadal y Federer.

jimbo · Post by **jimbo** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:41 am

Verbal wrote:a bit off topic but speaking of bets, Hamburg are evens to beat city tomorrow.

Considering city's away record and Hamburg's home form, pretty much a banker.

Saturday morning I got 30-1 for Davo to be top scorer in the Prem. I went each way for a 1,2 or 3 finish. Not too shabby considering our run in.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:59 am

Verbal wrote:
FaninOz wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote: You think his reaction to winning for the time after coming back from a long lay-off and pretty serious surgery was over the top? You thought that was out of line with the emotion and drama of the moment?
Simply yes, as I said he is very good and his skill is exceptional. But I don't like the guy, his attitude or his over the top actions. His dedication to winning is also exceptional but he could do it with a lot more decorum and humility.

Its allowed to have a different view, and that's mine for what its worth.
Fair dos. I imagine this is the problem a lot of people have with Andy Murray when compared to Nadal y Federer.

Don't see that at all.

Federer is hardly sweetness and light on the court is he?

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:20 am

Verbal wrote:Fair dos. I imagine this is the problem a lot of people have with Andy Murray when compared to Nadal y Federer.

Not here, I haven't forgotten he's a Scot that showed an intense dislike of the English. I don't mind that particularly, his choice, but fooked if I'd "support" the fecker.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:05 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Verbal wrote:Fair dos. I imagine this is the problem a lot of people have with Andy Murray when compared to Nadal y Federer.
Not here, I haven't forgotten he's a Scot that showed an intense dislike of the English. I don't mind that particularly, his choice, but fooked if I'd "support" the fecker.

I've got Centre Court tickets for the second Wednesday. It's my hope that I'll be there to watch the feck* get knocked out!

lovethesmellofnapalm · Post by **lovethesmellofnapalm** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:08 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
Verbal wrote:Fair dos. I imagine this is the problem a lot of people have with Andy Murray when compared to Nadal y Federer.
Not here, I haven't forgotten he's a Scot that showed an intense dislike of the English. I don't mind that particularly, his choice, but fooked if I'd "support" the fecker.
I've got Centre Court tickets for the second Wednesday. It's my hope that I'll be there to watch the feck get knocked out!

Murray won't survive to second Weds at Wimbledon. Out of the 4 slams the picnic (circus?) in SE London is the one he is least likely to win.

bw@bw · Post by **bw@bw** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:56 pm

Back on topic.

Woods may not be the obvious drinking mate.

(Our friend Chandler has that sewn up with Ernie Els)

But for someone who has done what he has in the world of sport I would say that he seems pretty well adjusted.

In fact the press guys complain that he is not loud or controversial enough.

The only problem with Woods is that he is just Sooooo good.

I watched him at Hoylake 2 years ago play a long iron shot that just took my breath away.
I have been watching golf for over 40 years, and no one in that time could have played that shot.

He has not only changed Pro golf - he has changed American sport - hopefully forever.

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