The Masters 2009

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:18 pm

If I want to watch in awe the best Golfer in the world then I'll watch Tiger Woods.

If I want to watch a third rate cabaret show then I don't expect to find it by watching Tiger Woods.

Why do people on here seem to think that one should come with the other?

bw@bw · Post by **bw@bw** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:14 pm

This must be the worst set of commentators ever put on a TV sports programme by the BBC

Alliss may be past it, but he is in a different class to the rest of them.

Lineker is as useless as ever and should never be let near a golf course, but even he has been outdone this year.

The BBC interviewer (did not catch his name - Sean?) makes the post match footy ones look like intellectuals.

How to ruin the year's best sports viewing in one easy lesson

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:38 pm

bw@bw wrote:This must be the worst set of commentators ever put on a TV sports programme by the BBC

Alliss may be past it, but he is in a different class to the rest of them.

Lineker is as useless as ever and should never be let near a golf course, but even he has been outdone this year.

The BBC interviewer (did not catch his name - Sean?) makes the post match footy ones look like intellectuals.

How to ruin the year's best sports viewing in one easy lesson

Peter Alliss can come across as a bit snobish at times, but he was a top class pro himself, (I saw him beat Arnold Palmer in the Ryder Cup singles at Royal Birkdale when Palmer was in his prime) as was his father before him. He knows the game of golf and that's why his commentary, as with Ken Browns fairway comments, are so good. Linnekar, at best is somebody who plays occasionally and should certainly never get near commentating on these top events.

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:44 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
bw@bw wrote:This must be the worst set of commentators ever put on a TV sports programme by the BBC

Alliss may be past it, but he is in a different class to the rest of them.

Lineker is as useless as ever and should never be let near a golf course, but even he has been outdone this year.

The BBC interviewer (did not catch his name - Sean?) makes the post match footy ones look like intellectuals.

How to ruin the year's best sports viewing in one easy lesson
Peter Alliss can come across as a bit snobish at times, but he was a top class pro himself, (I saw him beat Arnold Palmer in the Ryder Cup singles at Royal Birkdale when Palmer was in his prime) as was his father before him. He knows the game of golf and that's why his commentary, as with Ken Browns fairway comments, are so good. Linnekar, at best is somebody who plays occasionally and should certainly never get near commentating on these top events.

I play "occasionally" TD, I'd love to get down to 4 handicap in the process

I think the thing about "ruining the best sports viewing" is usually best solved by reaching for the remote and turning the volume to "mute"

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:29 am

Well, I confess I didn't know exactly where Linnekar stood handicap wise Worthy, but I think at his age and with his income most people could improve their game to a good level. The point was, he isn't a professional who has ever played in events of this magnitude, Alliss has. Then again, maybe me not liking Linnekar period might have something to do with it I suppose.
On another note, Jim Furik is oninously in there again. One to watch despite that deceptive swing. Living proof that, if it works for you, ignore the books and use it.

Dujon · Post by **Dujon** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:36 am

I've probably expressed this opinion before (in fact I'm sure that I have) but I often think that commentary on television has not evolved all that much from radio, despite the decades that have passed since television's inception. I don't need a description of what is happening as, being a sighted person, I can see the action. Given that most of the time I am unfamiliar with individual players I don't mind the identification of players (for example: Basil . . . to carrot . . . cucumber . . . now potato: and so on). Nor do I object to anecdotes or explanations of whatever-it-might-be provided that they are inserted at appropriate moments, moments which surely do not occur during a sudden swing in the rhythm of a game - particularly any code of football.

However, sports such as cricket and golf tend to have a lot more 'blank spaces' which commentators find a need to fill with some sort of verbal pontification - expert or otherwise. Why? What is wrong in using the 'ambiance' microphones to pass to the viewer the (in the case of golf) feeling of the course? Provided that it was done well I can think of nothing better than hearing the sound of a breeze ruffling the rough and the muted chatter of players and spectators - pretty much as a spectator at the course would.

bw@bw · Post by **bw@bw** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:46 am

Worthy4England wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
bw@bw wrote:This must be the worst set of commentators ever put on a TV sports programme by the BBC

Alliss may be past it, but he is in a different class to the rest of them.

Lineker is as useless as ever and should never be let near a golf course, but even he has been outdone this year.

The BBC interviewer (did not catch his name - Sean?) makes the post match footy ones look like intellectuals.

How to ruin the year's best sports viewing in one easy lesson
Peter Alliss can come across as a bit snobish at times, but he was a top class pro himself, (I saw him beat Arnold Palmer in the Ryder Cup singles at Royal Birkdale when Palmer was in his prime) as was his father before him. He knows the game of golf and that's why his commentary, as with Ken Browns fairway comments, are so good. Linnekar, at best is somebody who plays occasionally and should certainly never get near commentating on these top events.
I play "occasionally" TD, I'd love to get down to 4 handicap in the process

I think the thing about "ruining the best sports viewing" is usually best solved by reaching for the remote and turning the volume to "mute"

There is a better alternative.

They could take the American coverage - certainly Faldo is commentating there (that's why he is not playing).

Masters TV Schedule -

Live Coverage on CBS
CBS Announcers for weekend coverage of 2009 Masters:

Host: Jim Nantz (22nd year)
18th hole: Nantz and Nick Faldo
17th hole: Peter Oosterhuis
16th hole: Verne Lundquist
15th hole: David Feherty
14th hole: Bill Macatee
13th hole: Peter Kostis
11th and 12 holes: Ian Baker-Finch

Faldo is THE BEST summariser there is on golf (as with McEnroe at Wimbledon).
and Jim Nantz and Peter Kostis are usually pretty good.

The BBC should save on the air fares and hotel bills for third rate nobodies - and pay CBS for a feed.

There would still be 3 Brits on the coverage - and it would be different class.

FaninOz · Post by **FaninOz** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:26 am

bw@bw wrote: There is a better alternative.

They could take the American coverage - certainly Faldo is commentating there (that's why he is not playing).

Masters TV Schedule -

Live Coverage on CBS
CBS Announcers for weekend coverage of 2009 Masters:

Host: Jim Nantz (22nd year)
18th hole: Nantz and Nick Faldo
17th hole: Peter Oosterhuis
16th hole: Verne Lundquist
15th hole: David Feherty
14th hole: Bill Macatee
13th hole: Peter Kostis
11th and 12 holes: Ian Baker-Finch

Faldo is THE BEST summariser there is on golf (as with McEnroe at Wimbledon).
and Jim Nantz and Peter Kostis are usually pretty good.

The BBC should save on the air fares and hotel bills for third rate nobodies - and pay CBS for a feed.

There would still be 3 Brits on the coverage - and it would be different class.

We get the American coverage on Fox Sports and I agee that I like Faldo's approach to commentary. But too many breaks for the US adverts, so we get too many breaks for Oz ads or just views of the leaderboard and/or flowers and trees, etc, etc. breaks up the coverage too much for me.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:08 am

Going into the final furlong, all the talkis of Woods. I can't see him pulling seven shots back, though. Carbrera's looked good Friday and Saturday, and I can't really see past him.

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:12 pm

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab wrote:Going into the final furlong, all the talkis of Woods. I can't see him pulling seven shots back, though. Carbrera's looked good Friday and Saturday, and I can't really see past him.

I agree, it would be remarkable for the top 4 all to falter enough for Woods to have a look in. It's exactly what I expected from Woods - a decent showing, but not quite enough. My point about his short game was made well enough when he chipped it 50 feet away from the back of the 18th on Friday.

El Pato would be my pick at this stage too.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:54 pm

bw@bw wrote:This must be the worst set of commentators ever put on a TV sports programme by the BBC

Two in a week for Auntie then as last Sunday afteroon they achieved the radio equivalent as well. I had the misfortune, whilst in the car, of putting the 5 Live commentary on during a period of the Luton v Scunthorpe Johnstones Paint Final that was being covered by Steve Claridge and that shrieking bint. Anyway, Luton score and she goes off on one like a fecking dog whistle whilst football's most transferred non-entity just blathers out with something that only people in Portsmouth would've understood. Back to the CD's then.

Anyway - back tert golf.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:30 pm

Mickleson's on some charge - five birdies in a row. All set up nicely for a great finish....

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:01 pm

Some terrific golf being play by quite a few guys. Mickelson's really on top of it but Cabrera, Perry and Cambell aren't cracking up. Furik still in there and some golf left yet. Consistency's the name of the game and Tiger's having a mixed day. Somehow don't think he'll get up there in time. All about nerves and pressure now. Perry to take it for me.

Justin Rose just got two eagles in a row, bit too late to count much though.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:35 pm

It's all in the timing. Mickleson's tee at the 12th gets the ball clean and he double bogeys. Birdies the 13th, though. Carbrera has a shocking second shot on the 8th, but rescues par to stay one shot behind Perry. Perry's being solid without being spectacular, and if he keeps that going may well just do it as long as people are wobbling like they are now.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:17 pm

Can't believe Tiger's come into it. Thrilling climax now. Any one from Perry, Mickleson, Woods, Campbell and Carbrera....oh, hang on, Perry's first birdie of the day gives him a two shot lead.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:03 pm

Woods just ran out of holes, although hitting a tree trying to get between two of the things on the 17th(?) didn't help. Mickleson killed himself on the 12th. Cabrera isn't hitting the ball anywhere near as sweetly as he has been doing. Campbell has just hit two great approach shots on the 15th and 16th, and is up there with Perry, who is still solid but is playing with a bit more confidence.

This is why I love the Masters. Always in the balance, and the quality of golf on show is better than anything I see other times.

Hoboh · Post by **Hoboh** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:16 pm

Gawd how do you watch that stuff? I thought Bolton was the answer to us sinners! It is so bad and boring, how do you get so excited about it I turned it off.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:21 pm

hoboh2o wrote:It is so bad and boring, how do you get so excited about it I turned it off.

We study English. Try that.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:42 pm

hoboh2o wrote:Gawd how do you watch that stuff?

Usually by keeping my eyes on the flickering thing in the corner of the room. I can fully understand if it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I can see there's drama to be had here. Especially as Perry's slowly throwing it away on the last hole. Which, looking at the putt he's left himself with, is becoming reality. All set for a three way play off....

Incidentally, how much does Kenny Perry look like Phil Gartside's older, less confident brother?

jimbo · Post by **jimbo** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:42 pm

Tense last hole. Perry with about a 12 footer for the championship, 2 for the playoff. Tournaments should be decided this way.

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