Premiership Manager Of The Year

BWFC_Wyles · Post by **BWFC_Wyles** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:00 pm

seanworth wrote:Hodgson (Fulham)

Bruce (Wigan)

O'Neill (Villa)

Moyes (Everton)

Tony Pulis (Stoke)

Gianfranco Zola (West Ham)

Brown (Hull) ??????

Why would Brown be a nomination? A great first 3 months but then what?

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:09 pm

If he keeps them up, he's done a better job than Hodgson and Bruce easily. They're Hull for feck* sake.

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:17 pm

Tombwfc wrote:If he keeps them up, he's done a better job than Hodgson and Bruce easily. They're Hull for feck sake.

... well, yes, but the first 9 or 10 did the business and some, follwed by next to nothing since October ended. The past 14 games, for example, 1 win, 4 draws, 9 loses. Not quite Derby, but pretty close.

OK, we all had them down as bankers to go down and so survival is an achievement IF he manages it, but the magnificent start can't cloud 2/3rd of the season being rubbish.

I hope they stay up as they will do a Reading in season 2.

seanworth · Post by **seanworth** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:49 am

Didn't say he should win but for most of the 1st half of the season he should have been a shoe in for the winner. The 2nd half has been a different story, but no-one thought they even had a chance to stay up. That is a major accomplishment in itself, well assuming they do stay up. Therefore I feel at least worthy of a mention.

eddybwfc · Post by **eddybwfc** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:56 am

Gareth southgate

Paul ince

Mark Hughes

Alan shearer

seanworth · Post by **seanworth** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:00 am

eddybwfc wrote:Gareth southgate

Paul ince

Mark Hughes

Alan shearer

Ince wasn't given enough time in my book. You could also add Tony Adams, and Ramos to that list. They also weren't given enough time.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:27 pm

seanworth wrote:
eddybwfc wrote:Gareth southgate

Paul ince

Mark Hughes

Alan shearer
Ince wasn't given enough time in my book. You could also add Tony Adams, and Ramos to that list. They also weren't given enough time.

You're damn right they weren't. Though if they had been, Newcastle might not be going down so....

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:55 pm

seanworth wrote:Didn't say he should win but for most of the 1st half of the season he should have been a shoe in for the winner. The 2nd half has been a different story, but no-one thought they even had a chance to stay up. That is a major accomplishment in itself, well assuming they do stay up. Therefore I feel at least worthy of a mention.

... except it's "Manager of the Season", not "Manager of Half the Season" ... if it was I may agree. Then, Zola & 'appy 'arry would be in for a shout & that's not acceptable either, for so many reasons.

Hoboh · Post by **Hoboh** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:27 pm

It will be Red nose, don't like him but hey I'd love him here!

Daxter · Post by **Daxter** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:39 pm

If Hull's seasons form was the other way around, Brown would be a shoe-in probably.

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:03 pm

Daxter wrote:If Hull's seasons form was the other way around, Brown would be a shoe-in probably.

An interesting perspective, given that they'd still have the same number of points Dax, they'd have just started bad and now be improving.

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:12 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
seanworth wrote:Didn't say he should win but for most of the 1st half of the season he should have been a shoe in for the winner. The 2nd half has been a different story, but no-one thought they even had a chance to stay up. That is a major accomplishment in itself, well assuming they do stay up. Therefore I feel at least worthy of a mention.
... except it's "Manager of the Season", not "Manager of Half the Season" ... if it was I may agree. Then, Zola & 'appy 'arry would be in for a shout & that's not acceptable either, for so many reasons.

Indeed, it is manager of the season. Therefore he won't be judged simply on putting Hull in a Champions League place in the first half of the season, and nor will he be judged simply on their Derby-esque form of the second half.

No, instead he'll be judged on the season as a whole. A season which he'll have kept Hull City in the Premierleague, a pretty good achievement no? Certsinly better than Hodgson, who's spent £20mil + to guide his side to being 3pts above an apparently terrible manager in Megson.

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:24 pm

Tombwfc wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
seanworth wrote:Didn't say he should win but for most of the 1st half of the season he should have been a shoe in for the winner. The 2nd half has been a different story, but no-one thought they even had a chance to stay up. That is a major accomplishment in itself, well assuming they do stay up. Therefore I feel at least worthy of a mention.
... except it's "Manager of the Season", not "Manager of Half the Season" ... if it was I may agree. Then, Zola & 'appy 'arry would be in for a shout & that's not acceptable either, for so many reasons.
Indeed, it is manager of the season. Therefore he won't be judged simply on putting Hull in a Champions League place in the first half of the season, and nor will he be judged simply on their Derby-esque form of the second half.

No, instead he'll be judged on the season as a whole. A season which he'll have kept Hull City in the Premierleague, a pretty good achievement no? Certsinly better than Hodgson, who's spent £20mil + to guide his side to being 3pts above an apparently terrible manager in Megson.

and to a comprehensive double over megson's team...

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:30 pm

William the White wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
seanworth wrote:Didn't say he should win but for most of the 1st half of the season he should have been a shoe in for the winner. The 2nd half has been a different story, but no-one thought they even had a chance to stay up. That is a major accomplishment in itself, well assuming they do stay up. Therefore I feel at least worthy of a mention.
... except it's "Manager of the Season", not "Manager of Half the Season" ... if it was I may agree. Then, Zola & 'appy 'arry would be in for a shout & that's not acceptable either, for so many reasons.
Indeed, it is manager of the season. Therefore he won't be judged simply on putting Hull in a Champions League place in the first half of the season, and nor will he be judged simply on their Derby-esque form of the second half.

No, instead he'll be judged on the season as a whole. A season which he'll have kept Hull City in the Premierleague, a pretty good achievement no? Certsinly better than Hodgson, who's spent £20mil + to guide his side to being 3pts above an apparently terrible manager in Megson.
and to a comprehensive double over megson's team...

And?

CrazyHorse · Post by **CrazyHorse** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:31 pm

William the White wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
seanworth wrote:Didn't say he should win but for most of the 1st half of the season he should have been a shoe in for the winner. The 2nd half has been a different story, but no-one thought they even had a chance to stay up. That is a major accomplishment in itself, well assuming they do stay up. Therefore I feel at least worthy of a mention.
... except it's "Manager of the Season", not "Manager of Half the Season" ... if it was I may agree. Then, Zola & 'appy 'arry would be in for a shout & that's not acceptable either, for so many reasons.
Indeed, it is manager of the season. Therefore he won't be judged simply on putting Hull in a Champions League place in the first half of the season, and nor will he be judged simply on their Derby-esque form of the second half.

No, instead he'll be judged on the season as a whole. A season which he'll have kept Hull City in the Premierleague, a pretty good achievement no? Certsinly better than Hodgson, who's spent £20mil + to guide his side to being 3pts above an apparently terrible manager in Megson.
and to a comprehensive double over megson's team...

What's that got to do with it?

Worthy4England · Post by **Worthy4England** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:32 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:
William the White wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
seanworth wrote:Didn't say he should win but for most of the 1st half of the season he should have been a shoe in for the winner. The 2nd half has been a different story, but no-one thought they even had a chance to stay up. That is a major accomplishment in itself, well assuming they do stay up. Therefore I feel at least worthy of a mention.
... except it's "Manager of the Season", not "Manager of Half the Season" ... if it was I may agree. Then, Zola & 'appy 'arry would be in for a shout & that's not acceptable either, for so many reasons.
Indeed, it is manager of the season. Therefore he won't be judged simply on putting Hull in a Champions League place in the first half of the season, and nor will he be judged simply on their Derby-esque form of the second half.

No, instead he'll be judged on the season as a whole. A season which he'll have kept Hull City in the Premierleague, a pretty good achievement no? Certsinly better than Hodgson, who's spent £20mil + to guide his side to being 3pts above an apparently terrible manager in Megson.
and to a comprehensive double over megson's team...
What's that got to do with it?

Fair point Hoss. If the league was decided on teams that had done the double over Bolton, it would be tight at the top with a few on 6 points each. As it isn't, it still stands that despite a considerably larger expenditure (and 6 points off us), Hodgson is still at the minute only 3 points in front of Bolton.

Would we be disappointed with our away form, had Megson spent what Hodgson has spent on a net basis? I think maybe one or two of our enlightened bretheren would be...

ratbert · Post by **ratbert** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:57 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... f-the-year

Agree or disagree away. Personally, much as I like Hodgson, I don't think he's broken as many pots as the writer makes out. The love seems based on the old 'right way to play football' chestnut.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:49 pm

ratbert wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... f-the-year

Agree or disagree away. Personally, much as I like Hodgson, I don't think he's broken as many pots as the writer makes out. The love seems based on the old 'right way to play football' chestnut.

So, would we say the Chelsea v Liverpool wasn't the right way to play football? No pxxsing about knocking it around forever in midfield, end to end action , oh, and a fair bit of that old long-ball stuff too.

ratbert · Post by **ratbert** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:06 am

TANGODANCER wrote:
ratbert wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... f-the-year

Agree or disagree away. Personally, much as I like Hodgson, I don't think he's broken as many pots as the writer makes out. The love seems based on the old 'right way to play football' chestnut.
So, would we say the Chelsea v Liverpool wasn't the right way to play football? No pxxsing about knocking it around forever in midfield, end to end action , oh, and a fair bit of that old long-ball stuff too.

I'm trying to get inside the mind of the cliched people who make these decisions. It's not my own view.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:11 am

ratbert wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
ratbert wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... f-the-year

Agree or disagree away. Personally, much as I like Hodgson, I don't think he's broken as many pots as the writer makes out. The love seems based on the old 'right way to play football' chestnut.
So, would we say the Chelsea v Liverpool wasn't the right way to play football? No pxxsing about knocking it around forever in midfield, end to end action , oh, and a fair bit of that old long-ball stuff too.
I'm trying to get inside the mind of the cliched people who make these decisions. It's not my own view.

I know, it wasn't a go at you, just a comment.

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