The Politics Thread

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Does every criticism of (or even observation about) the Government necessarily have to be equated to a party political broadcast for HM's Opposition?

If it comes from you my true blue friend then probably, on reflection, yes.

I was 11 last time the Conservatives were in office.

If I am to support today's Conservative Party, am I bound to defend everything its previous representatives did, at a time before I gained political consciousness?

[Worthy4England]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Does every criticism of (or even observation about) the Government necessarily have to be equated to a party political broadcast for HM's Opposition?

If it comes from you my true blue friend then probably, on reflection, yes.

I was 11 last time the Conservatives were in office.

If I am to support today's Conservative Party, am I bound to defend everything its previous representatives did, at a time before I gained political consciousness?

You quite happily quote your admiration for people like Thatcher and Churchill on numerous occasions. If these people are in some way models for your political thinking, then maybe the answer should be yes. Or do you prefer to pick and choose when they're meritorous of your admiration or not?

I think your point has some merit, in that the Conservative party of today may be completely different than the one that was in power in the 1980's - I've just yet to see much evidence of it from a policy standpoint.

[TANGODANCER]

If I am to support today's Conservative Party, am I bound to defend everything its previous representatives did, at a time before I gained political consciousness?

I must be a late developer. It hasn't arrived for me yet. You see, all I've ever seen is factions of people, all claiming theirs' is the right way to run the country, getting elected, and then all the others gang up and tell them they're rubbish. Then the next lot go in and the carousel starts up again. You'd think somewhere out of all that and all the years they've been at it, someone might have a clue how to do it by now... wouldn't you?

[Worthy4England]

If I am to support today's Conservative Party, am I bound to defend everything its previous representatives did, at a time before I gained political consciousness?

I must be a late developer. It hasn't arrived for me yet. You see, all I've ever seen is factions of people, all claiming theirs' is the right way to run the country, getting elected, and then all the others gang up and tell them they're rubbish. Then the next lot go in and the carousel starts up again. You'd think somewhere out of all that and all the years they've been at it, someone might have a clue how to do it by now... wouldn't you?

Yes - but I suspect like you, I'm still waiting TD.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

If I am to support today's Conservative Party, am I bound to defend everything its previous representatives did, at a time before I gained political consciousness?

You quite happily quote your admiration for people like Thatcher and Churchill on numerous occasions. If these people are in some way models for your political thinking, then maybe the answer should be yes. Or do you prefer to pick and choose when they're meritorous of your admiration or not?

Of course I prefer to do that - isn't it basic common sense to select the good things in history that you want to celebrate and replicate?

I admire a lot of what Thatcher did, but not, sometimes, the way she did it. Is this a necessarily contradictive position?

Just on a point of order, I don't believe I have ever expressed any admiration for Churchill on these boards (which is not to say that I don't have any).

[Montreal Wanderer]

If I am to support today's Conservative Party, am I bound to defend everything its previous representatives did, at a time before I gained political consciousness?

You quite happily quote your admiration for people like Thatcher and Churchill on numerous occasions. If these people are in some way models for your political thinking, then maybe the answer should be yes. Or do you prefer to pick and choose when they're meritorous of your admiration or not?

Of course I prefer to do that - isn't it basic common sense to select the good things in history that you want to celebrate and replicate?

I admire a lot of what Thatcher did, but not, sometimes, the way she did it. Is this a necessarily contradictive position?

Just on a point of order, I don't believe I have ever expressed any admiration for Churchill on these boards (which is not to say that I don't have any).

No, you've been an Effie Smith man from way back.

[Worthy4England]

If I am to support today's Conservative Party, am I bound to defend everything its previous representatives did, at a time before I gained political consciousness?

You quite happily quote your admiration for people like Thatcher and Churchill on numerous occasions. If these people are in some way models for your political thinking, then maybe the answer should be yes. Or do you prefer to pick and choose when they're meritorous of your admiration or not?

Of course I prefer to do that - isn't it basic common sense to select the good things in history that you want to celebrate and replicate?

I admire a lot of what Thatcher did, but not, sometimes, the way she did it. Is this a necessarily contradictive position?

Just on a point of order, I don't believe I have ever expressed any admiration for Churchill on these boards (which is not to say that I don't have any).

What you appear to be saying, is that the "good" things that previous representatives may have done is fine to espouse - which I wouldn't necessarily disagree with, but you shouldn't be bound to defend any baggage that went with it as you hadn't gained political consciousness. That seems a little contradictory in that I'd like the guarantee that the "good" things didn't some with the same baggage second time around - if you're looking to replicate them. As it happens I'm a little short on memory regarding what good things there were. Must have missed that bit.

I'm really not sure that the way Thatcher did things would substantially change the things that she did, even if she did them in a different way. I will still party in the streets the day she goes to Hell - I don't believe there is any contradiction in my position on this

On the Churchill thing, I must have dreamt it then, could have sworn there was a thread some while back where you had expressed your admiration of him - if this isn't the case I'm happy to retract

[TANGODANCER]

Somewhere, round about this time, we are due a visit from the Parisienne Pink Panther methinks.

[Bruce Rioja]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Of course, with 'New Labour' only having been accepted into government last week, they're well within their rights to be banging on about the faults of their predecessors.

I tell you, I'm going for a Katrina and The Waves win in the Eurovision, me.

[Worthy4England]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Of course, with 'New Labour' only having been accepted into government last week, they're well within their rights to be banging on about the faults of their predecessors.

I tell you, I'm going for a Katrina and The Waves win in the Eurovision, me.

Indeed they are. Seems like only yesterday.

[Bruce Rioja]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Of course, with 'New Labour' only having been accepted into government last week, they're well within their rights to be banging on about the faults of their predecessors.

I tell you, I'm going for a Katrina and The Waves win in the Eurovision, me.

Indeed they are. Seems like only yesterday.

Perfect response and QED.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Of course, with 'New Labour' only having been accepted into government last week, they're well within their rights to be banging on about the faults of their predecessors.

I tell you, I'm going for a Katrina and The Waves win in the Eurovision, me.

Indeed they are. Seems like only yesterday.

I'm sorry mate - I suspect your days marauding round Knutsford on the hunt for daddy's girls looking for a bit of rough seem like only yesterday too.

Those faults you remember so vividly were a generation ago.

[Worthy4England]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Of course, with 'New Labour' only having been accepted into government last week, they're well within their rights to be banging on about the faults of their predecessors.

I tell you, I'm going for a Katrina and The Waves win in the Eurovision, me.

Indeed they are. Seems like only yesterday.

I'm sorry mate - I suspect your days marauding round Knutsford on the hunt for daddy's girls looking for a bit of rough seem like only yesterday too.

Those faults you remember so vividly were a generation ago.

Of course - but I'd take some convincing they're not still lurking in the wardrobe...

[William the White]

Aye - just like the last colour government was

Of course, with 'New Labour' only having been accepted into government last week, they're well within their rights to be banging on about the faults of their predecessors.

I tell you, I'm going for a Katrina and The Waves win in the Eurovision, me.

Indeed they are. Seems like only yesterday.

I'm sorry mate - I suspect your days marauding round Knutsford on the hunt for daddy's girls looking for a bit of rough seem like only yesterday too.

Those faults you remember so vividly were a generation ago.

and the virtues that you don't remember but praise (i don't object to you doing this, or i'd be objecting to a consideration of history which is clearly absurd) were - exactly the same length of time ago.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

and the virtues that you don't remember but praise (i don't object to you doing this, or i'd be objecting to a consideration of history which is clearly absurd) were - exactly the same length of time ago.

Yep, I've no problem with that observation - I'm not using any of that 'praise' as a part of an argument for putting the modern Conservatives into power!

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Of course - but I'd take some convincing they're not still lurking in the wardrobe...

I put it to you that your feelings on the matter are so visceral and entrenched, nothing could convince you of that.

[Worthy4England]

Of course - but I'd take some convincing they're not still lurking in the wardrobe...

I put it to you that your feelings on the matter are so visceral and entrenched, nothing could convince you of that.

I think you are probably correct in this assertion

[William the White]

Of course - but I'd take some convincing they're not still lurking in the wardrobe...

I put it to you that your feelings on the matter are so visceral and entrenched, nothing could convince you of that.

Is that intentional self-parody??? It's so brit TV lawyer-speak...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Of course - but I'd take some convincing they're not still lurking in the wardrobe...

I put it to you that your feelings on the matter are so visceral and entrenched, nothing could convince you of that.

Is that intentional self-parody??? It's so brit TV lawyer-speak...

What do you think, my learned friend?

[William the White]

Of course - but I'd take some convincing they're not still lurking in the wardrobe...

I put it to you that your feelings on the matter are so visceral and entrenched, nothing could convince you of that.

Is that intentional self-parody??? It's so brit TV lawyer-speak...

What do you think, my learned friend?