The Politics Thread

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:00 am

I think the motto of all opposition members upon entering Parliament should be a slight re-wording of : "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him."

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Mon May 11, 2009 4:12 pm

Meanwhile, across the pond.... Obama plays stand-up (really quite well).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 261964.ece

I'm always fascinated by the different relationships that different countries have with their leaders. In the Netherlands, I saw a very odd programme with their PM fielding questions from the public in this big, crowded bar. And on another occasion, after the Dutch football team had been playing, he was called into the studio to give his analysis!

So anyway, back to the Washington Correspondents Dinner.... a very strange dynamic indeed, and further evidence of a closeness between BO and the Press that surely can't be healthy.

The other news that has interested me is that Justice Souter is retiring from the Supreme Court. Now that really is a fascinating institution - judges appointed for life by the current president, very well known names in American political life. Even the very politically aware in this country would struggle to name many of our Law Lords.

Very interesting to see whom Obama chooses to fill Souter's shoes. A Democrat president hasn't chosen a Supreme Court judge for 15 years. Souter was picked by the older Bush and disappointed conservatives with his liberal approach throughout his tenure - unsackable judges are very unpredictable allies.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:27 am

Don't forget to sign up for the upcoming Euro Elections, otherwise you turn into a mime.

The BNP launched their campaign recently, on the platform of getting out of the EU. Nick Griffin reminds us what a lovely boy he is:

Outlining his party's anti-immigration stance, Mr Griffin said: "Not all immigrants are terrorists but all terrorists are immigrants or their immediate descendants."

On its opposition to Turkey joining the EU, he said: "While we are in the European Union we most definitely, and above all else, oppose its expansion to bring 80 million low-wage Muslims into Christian democratic Europe."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8043831.stm

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:32 am

Verbal wrote:Don't forget to sign up for the upcoming Euro Elections, otherwise you turn into a mime.

The BNP launched their campaign recently, on the platform of getting out of the EU. Nick Griffin reminds us what a lovely boy he is:

Outlining his party's anti-immigration stance, Mr Griffin said: "Not all immigrants are terrorists but all terrorists are immigrants or their immediate descendants."

On its opposition to Turkey joining the EU, he said: "While we are in the European Union we most definitely, and above all else, oppose its expansion to bring 80 million low-wage Muslims into Christian democratic Europe."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8043831.stm

My god Nick Griffin really deserves a good kicking.

Sad thing is some muppets will believe this nonsense he is spouting. Probably half of them will be off on their hols to Turkey to take advantage of the better exchange rate compared to the Euro!

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:40 am

He's also forgot about David Copeland, who was a former member of the BNP.

Indeed. I was working last summer, and a woman I worked with said she was thinking of voting BNP. When I asked why she said she was fed up of the main parties. I kept pushing further and it seemed that actually she had no affiliation with them. She was tired of politics so decided the best thing to do was voting for a far right nationalist party with openly racist (and untrue) tings. Such is democracy.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:13 am

Verbal wrote:He's also forgot about David Copeland, who was a former member of the BNP.

Indeed. I was working last summer, and a woman I worked with said she was thinking of voting BNP. When I asked why she said she was fed up of the main parties. I kept pushing further and it seemed that actually she had no affiliation with them. She was tired of politics so decided the best thing to do was voting for a far right nationalist party with openly racist (and untrue) tings. Such is democracy.

Thats how far right movements win a lot of their support. Through the ignorant.

A recession, and headlines about immigrants, corrupt government and opposition is a dream for the BNP.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:19 am

BWFC_Insane wrote: Probably half of them will be off on their hols to Turkey to take advantage of the better exchange rate compared to the Euro!

Err, we're currently on the wrong end of the exchange rate, Chief.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:22 am

Bruce Rioja wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote: Probably half of them will be off on their hols to Turkey to take advantage of the better exchange rate compared to the Euro!
Err, we're currently on the wrong end of the exchange rate, Chief.

Yes but going within the "Euro" is worse!

superjohnmcginlay · Post by **superjohnmcginlay** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:25 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Verbal wrote:Don't forget to sign up for the upcoming Euro Elections, otherwise you turn into a mime.

The BNP launched their campaign recently, on the platform of getting out of the EU. Nick Griffin reminds us what a lovely boy he is:

Outlining his party's anti-immigration stance, Mr Griffin said: "Not all immigrants are terrorists but all terrorists are immigrants or their immediate descendants."

On its opposition to Turkey joining the EU, he said: "While we are in the European Union we most definitely, and above all else, oppose its expansion to bring 80 million low-wage Muslims into Christian democratic Europe."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8043831.stm
My god Nick Griffin really deserves a good kicking.

Sad thing is some muppets will believe this nonsense he is spouting. Probably half of them will be off on their hols to Turkey to take advantage of the better exchange rate compared to the Euro!

I dont think the party has a problem with people visiting Turkey. Just t'other way round!

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:35 pm

I always wonder why the BNP are described as 'right wing' when really they're just very racist socialists.

I have to say though, it's not at all obvious to me that it would be desirable for Turkey to join the EU (despite what President Obama says...).

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:53 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I always wonder why the BNP are described as 'right wing' when really they're just very racist socialists.

I have to say though, it's not at all obvious to me that it would be desirable for Turkey to join the EU (despite what President Obama says...).

Elucidate, please...

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:46 pm

William the White wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I always wonder why the BNP are described as 'right wing' when really they're just very racist socialists.

I have to say though, it's not at all obvious to me that it would be desirable for Turkey to join the EU (despite what President Obama says...).
Elucidate, please...

Insofar as it's ever been possible to determine what their economic policies are, they have tended to fall into a category that might loosely be described as 'socialist' - a desire for increased state ownership, economic collectivism and protectionism.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:27 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
William the White wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I always wonder why the BNP are described as 'right wing' when really they're just very racist socialists.

I have to say though, it's not at all obvious to me that it would be desirable for Turkey to join the EU (despite what President Obama says...).
Elucidate, please...
Insofar as it's ever been possible to determine what their economic policies are, they have tended to fall into a category that might loosely be described as 'socialist' - a desire for increased state ownership, economic collectivism and protectionism.

The Kray twins were politicians?

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:35 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
William the White wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I always wonder why the BNP are described as 'right wing' when really they're just very racist socialists.

I have to say though, it's not at all obvious to me that it would be desirable for Turkey to join the EU (despite what President Obama says...).
Elucidate, please...
Insofar as it's ever been possible to determine what their economic policies are, they have tended to fall into a category that might loosely be described as 'socialist' - a desire for increased state ownership, economic collectivism and protectionism.

The National Socialists of the last century were considered right wing, although one suspects this refers to their 'nationalism', racism if you will, as opposed to socialism. However state ownership and economic collectivism (if they advocate these things - I have no idea) do sound a little leftist. Actually I know nothing about the policies other than they seem to be racist in a world that has generally moved past that.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:59 pm

Just a little side-track if you'll permit, with a slight political slant. A sign of the times:

I was down in reception at our place this afternoon when two guys in their late twenties walked in. Neither spoke much English and had the appearance of Turkish or maybe East European race. They came up to me and asked:

" Where is house for you?"
"Pardon?"
"House for you, where is house for you?"
"Ah, ( the light dawned) you mean Homes4U"
"no, no, house. House for you"
"No, it's next door. You mean the offices of Homes 4U. Homes, not house. Homes4U it's called. It's right here, next door!"

I pointed next door and they left, shaking their heads at such stupidity, and mumbling "Homs..?"
I was left shaking mine and wondering too.

InsaneApache · Post by **InsaneApache** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:12 pm

To understand the nationalists you have to have a grasp of history. Il Duce was a founder member of a socialist rag. Facism is the bastard child of the left. Hence their intense desire to foist it onto the right.

I'll coin a phrase from George here: Socialism and Fascism, two cheeks of the same arse.

superjohnmcginlay · Post by **superjohnmcginlay** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:52 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I always wonder why the BNP are described as 'right wing' when really they're just very racist socialists.

I have to say though, it's not at all obvious to me that it would be desirable for Turkey to join the EU (despite what President Obama says...).

I thought this and it reminded me of that test we had on this board a while back that seemed to indicate youre all a bunch of bedwetters.

Authoritarian left is how this lot have the bnp.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:20 pm

I think the BNP is the only reason I would vote....to stop them getting in.

Montreal Wanderer · Post by **Montreal Wanderer** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:46 pm

When I am distressed with our major parties (which is often) I tend to vote for the Green Party - surely there is a better fourth option than the BNP in the UK.

superjohnmcginlay · Post by **superjohnmcginlay** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:51 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:When I am distressed with our major parties (which is often) I tend to vote for the Green Party - surely there is a better fourth option than the BNP in the UK.

Our green party's a bit loony tune.

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