What are you watching tonight?

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:51 pm

Grace Dent was indeed the other. Doesn't matter, really - both were insipid and offered nothing to a programme that really should have been Charlie Brooker's TV Burp.

Now I'm torn between trying out The Inbetweeners for the first time ever - don't like what I've heard of it, just doesn't seem to make me laugh - or, a surefire hit, the nightly double bill of Family Guy on BBC3.

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:55 pm

I put the Inbetweeners on my ipod for my hols recently, and was suitably low-brow to make me laugh.

Incredibly unsubtle, but fun.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:57 pm

Yeah, I think I've grown up since the days I would have found it funny. Gave it five minutes.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:57 pm

KB - give The Inbetweeners a full episode - didn't think I'd like it either but it won me over

Plenty chance for Family Guy any night of the week

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:06 pm

Aye I'd defo recommend the Inbetweeners, though perhaps not tonight's episode as a start. It's not so much witty funny, as 'christ that happened to me, and that, and that, well, I suppose I'm old enough that I can now laugh about it'.

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:14 pm

Prufrock wrote:Aye I'd defo recommend the Inbetweeners, though perhaps not tonight's episode as a start. It's not so much witty funny, as 'christ that happened to me, and that, and that, well, I suppose I'm old enough that I can now laugh about it'.

Well I tried it, and thought "meh, meh, could understand how it could be funny but it's not doing much, my doesn't that lad who swears for the sake of it look and sound like our right back? Oh, that happened to me, I suppose I'm old enough to laugh about it but they're just going through the motions....his Mum's a bit hot....oh look, how predictable, is Family Guy on yet?"

I'm getting old, aren't I?

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:20 pm

'Fraid so squire.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:22 pm

That said, I too may be getting old before my time, as during the end credits I actually swore at the TV, like some cliched sit com character, when the voiceover woman did an awe filled scoff of 'classic' in that ridiculous 'aren't we cool?' indie Tv way. Bitch.

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:24 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Mrs Barnet is watching alleged drama Freefall, a two-dimensional piece of shit about nawty bankers and ordinary common folk, with characters who manage to be both unlikable and unbelievable, a bit like the camera-work. She agrees that it's a bag of elephant wank, but is grimly determined to see if it gets any better or - more likely - laughably worse.

On the bonus side, Daily Show with Jon Stewart's back on More 4 tonight (we Brits just need Comedy Central to take up the option for Colbert Report), there's Charlton Brooker's You Have Been Watching Right F*cking Now on 4, followed by The Inbetweeners (to which I'm a late-ish convert) or a Flight of the Conchords, and there's always a nice relaxing Wainwright's Walks if I tire of chuckling.

Freefall better than that... says things many people do not know fully - bankers not only naughty - but fully aware of what they were doing, and, were they capable of thinking outside the narrow box of the next bonus, knew for sure what lay ahead. Thought it did well also in dramatising the sheer helplessness of the sub-prime mortgagees, but didn't truly draw me in emotionally to the family. Reasonably well in dramatising the adrenalined atmosphere of deal, deal, close the deal (though you sure couldn't compare its achievement here to Glengarry Glen Ross or, even more, Death of a Salesman).

Told us quite a lot, but its moral centre pretty shallow - and Dave the wicked salesman a fully paid-up stereotype...

IMHO

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:33 pm

Right, can somebody give me some sort of background to Death of a Salesman? I've heard it talked about reverentially, but never seen, or known anything about. I could look it up, but then if everyone did that, this place would be dead, or worse, soulless.

General Mannerheim · Post by **General Mannerheim** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:37 pm

just watched Teen Wolf for perhaps the 5000th time!

Big Lebowski is on too - possibly the greatest movie ever made?

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:40 pm

Prufrock wrote:Right, can somebody give me some sort of background to Death of a Salesman? I've heard it talked about reverentially, but never seen, or known anything about. I could look it up, but then if everyone did that, this place would be dead, or worse, soulless.

One of the truly great plays of the 20th century. Wouldn't want to say much more, because you should take the first opportunity you get to see it.

It deals with the 'American Dream' and fathers and sons. And a lot of other things also. I've seen it about five times. The strangest was with my father sat beside me.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:03 am

William the White wrote:
Prufrock wrote:Right, can somebody give me some sort of background to Death of a Salesman? I've heard it talked about reverentially, but never seen, or known anything about. I could look it up, but then if everyone did that, this place would be dead, or worse, soulless.
One of the truly great plays of the 20th century. Wouldn't want to say much more, because you should take the first opportunity you get to see it.

It deals with the 'American Dream' and fathers and sons. And a lot of other things also. I've seen it about five times. The strangest was with my father sat beside me.

Is it on often? For some unknown reason, that and a play possibly called 'Did those feet' or somesuch (which I think soembody on here, maybe even your good self wrote/directed/was best boy in) are linked in my head. Also, whilst you are here, I have decided in my last year definitely in London, I must visit the globe to watch some Bill, any recommendations of any known productions? Somehow, I have never seen Hamlet performed, so if it is on that would be ace, but if not, any recommendations?

As an aside, before 'You have been watching', I endured the last 20 mins of 'How to be Old with Nicholas Craig'. What a pompous pretentious self serving cnut. Yet more telly that makes me angry. So so so smug. Sat there blithering on about how the youth wouldn't 'get' his programme as it would be too 'literary' with his smug grin and wank acting. Not to mention making a programme against typecasting of older actors into a pathetic showcase of crap clips of crap old actors playing typecast old folk. Did his (justifiable) cause far more harm than good, whilst coming across as a smug git. Bell. End.

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:24 am

Prufrock wrote:
William the White wrote:
Prufrock wrote:Right, can somebody give me some sort of background to Death of a Salesman? I've heard it talked about reverentially, but never seen, or known anything about. I could look it up, but then if everyone did that, this place would be dead, or worse, soulless.
One of the truly great plays of the 20th century. Wouldn't want to say much more, because you should take the first opportunity you get to see it.

It deals with the 'American Dream' and fathers and sons. And a lot of other things also. I've seen it about five times. The strangest was with my father sat beside me.
Is it on often? For some unknown reason, that and a play possibly called 'Did those feet' or somesuch (which I think soembody on here, maybe even your good self wrote/directed/was best boy in) are linked in my head. Also, whilst you are here, I have decided in my last year definitely in London, I must visit the globe to watch some Bill, any recommendations of any known productions? Somehow, I have never seen Hamlet performed, so if it is on that would be ace, but if not, any recommendations?

As an aside, before 'You have been watching', I endured the last 20 mins of 'How to be Old with Nicholas Craig'. What a pompous pretentious self serving cnut. Yet more telly that makes me angry. So so so smug. Sat there blithering on about how the youth wouldn't 'get' his programme as it would be too 'literary' with his smug grin and wank acting. Not to mention making a programme against typecasting of older actors into a pathetic showcase of crap clips of crap old actors playing typecast old folk. Did his (justifiable) cause far more harm than good, whilst coming across as a smug git. Bell. End.

This will help you with The Globe. http://www.shakespeares-globe.org/theat ... treseason/

Of the shakespeare, i've never seen Troilus and Cressida - so that's the important one to catch for me. The others are better known - R & J obviously so. Griffiths and Mcguinness are outstanding playwrights also.

Three tips for The Globe, which is a great theatre, i think:

Buy the £5 tickets and stand. don't be afraid to move around if you do, and be aware you'll be out in the rain if it happens - so bring appropriate gear (umbrellas are not allowed).

Phone the box office - they don't make a booking charge. if you book online you get charged £2, which ain't too bad if you're paying £40, but a bit much if it's a fiver.

There's a fab turkish munchery opposite the main entrance - called Tas, one of a small 'chain' - which is reasonably priced and good food. If, like me, you are tempted by a Shakespeare fest, and catch a matinee and evening show (I've done this for the last 3 years) Tas is a great place to eat. Book. Other people will have the same idea.

Oh - i'm the co-writer of And Did Those Feet, which was premiered at the octagon 2 years ago and will be revived next year 11 March-10 April. The season also offers you plays by Miller and Shakespeare. www.octagonbolton.co.uk

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:30 am

Ta. And Did Those Feet has become inexplicably linked with Death of a Salesman for some unknown reason, but definitely due to this forum. Pfft.

How far in advance are things listed. I only get back in London end of September and most of those will be finished by the time ast be ready. Always wanted to go if, for nothing else, the experience of going to 'the globe', and would love to see Hamlet, which I have read, loved, but never seen.

Was supposed to be going watching Moliere's Hypochondriac in scousey land the other day with a girl friend, but finished work late. Anyone seen?

William the White · Post by **William the White** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:32 am

Prufrock wrote:Ta. And Did Those Feet has become inexplicably linked with Death of a Salesman for some unknown reason, but definitely due to this forum. Pfft.

How far in advance are things listed. I only get back in London end of September and most of those will be finished by the time ast be ready. Always wanted to go if, for nothing else, the experience of going to 'the globe', and would love to see Hamlet, which I have read, loved, but never seen.

Was supposed to be going watching Moliere's Hypochondriac in scousey land the other day with a girl friend, but finished work late. Anyone seen?

The Globe doesn't play in winter - you'll have to wait until next spring (and feck up your finals?)...

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:41 am

William the White wrote:
Prufrock wrote:Ta. And Did Those Feet has become inexplicably linked with Death of a Salesman for some unknown reason, but definitely due to this forum. Pfft.

How far in advance are things listed. I only get back in London end of September and most of those will be finished by the time ast be ready. Always wanted to go if, for nothing else, the experience of going to 'the globe', and would love to see Hamlet, which I have read, loved, but never seen.

Was supposed to be going watching Moliere's Hypochondriac in scousey land the other day with a girl friend, but finished work late. Anyone seen?
The Globe doesn't play in winter - you'll have to wait until next spring (and feck up your finals?)...

Meh, sure I'll be able to spare one day. Any ideas when programme will be announced? Yon Turkish place sounds good too.

Only ones there I'll be back for are 'As you like it', and 'Love's labours lost', neither of which I like. I demand Hamlet, or MaccyB.

clapton is god · Post by **clapton is god** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:26 am

William the White wrote: Oh - i'm the co-writer of And Did Those Feet, which was premiered at the octagon 2 years ago and will be revived next year 11 March-10 April. The season also offers you plays by Miller and Shakespeare. www.octagonbolton.co.uk

Just organised tickets for this as part of a season ticket at the Octagon. I missed it last time round and am very much looking forward to it now.

Season tickets are excellent value for money and they have a solid season lined up, as always.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:20 am

William the White wrote:
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Mrs Barnet is watching alleged drama Freefall, a two-dimensional piece of shit about nawty bankers and ordinary common folk, with characters who manage to be both unlikable and unbelievable, a bit like the camera-work. She agrees that it's a bag of elephant wank, but is grimly determined to see if it gets any better or - more likely - laughably worse.
Freefall better than that... says things many people do not know fully - bankers not only naughty - but fully aware of what they were doing, and, were they capable of thinking outside the narrow box of the next bonus, knew for sure what lay ahead. Thought it did well also in dramatising the sheer helplessness of the sub-prime mortgagees, but didn't truly draw me in emotionally to the family. Reasonably well in dramatising the adrenalined atmosphere of deal, deal, close the deal (though you sure couldn't compare its achievement here to Glengarry Glen Ross or, even more, Death of a Salesman).

Told us quite a lot, but its moral centre pretty shallow - and Dave the wicked salesman a fully paid-up stereotype...

Told me/us nothing - not one thing - we didn't know already. It's been startlingly obvious for years that the bankers knew what they were doing. Why not, when the bonus culture demanded it? And don't get me started on "sub-prime", a phrase designed to demonise the working class (in America, read: black/Hispanic) by blaming them for the collapse of a completely unsustainable system.

And then I woke to an insufferable Morgan Sachs cretin on Today refusing to discuss the bonuses they're back to awarding themselves now things are "better". Really, with folk on the streets and the average house price still 10 times the average salary? I want my money back, or the heads of their first-born.

So the script said nothing new to anyone who can read, while the "poor innocent working class" characters were ridiculous: why couldn't she look for a job? I'm sure his security salary was roughly equivalent to a Sainsbury's checkout wage. And why make him security - why not a fireman if you want to ramp up the middle-class pity, or a professional in any field given the housing market has f*cked us all?

Sorry Billy boy, can't agree that it had a single saving grace, right down to the predictable ending. There's a great drama to be made about the issue. This came nowhere near.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:22 am

Prufrock wrote:I endured the last 20 mins of 'How to be Old with Nicholas Craig'. What a pompous pretentious self serving cnut. Yet more telly that makes me angry. So so so smug. Sat there blithering on about how the youth wouldn't 'get' his programme as it would be too 'literary' with his smug grin and wank acting. Not to mention making a programme against typecasting of older actors into a pathetic showcase of crap clips of crap old actors playing typecast old folk. Did his (justifiable) cause far more harm than good, whilst coming across as a smug git. Bell. End.

Isn't it a comedy, starring Nigel "Young Ones Neil" Planer?

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