The Great Art Debate

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Saw these in the paper the other day. Motor part sculptures. Pretty impressive.

Why has the fox got a pheasant up its arse? We need to know.

[superjohnmcginlay]

Poor digestive system. Its actually coming out.

[Hoboh]

I remain surprised on this 'deeper understanding' point. And yes, of course religion does not have a monopoly on these themes, but I should have thought that somebody in your job would have spent more time discussing and reflecting on them than most, and that you will have had more people coming to talk to you about them in their own lives than most.

and that's ok! but enough of me.. what about you?

does the phrase "I like it" adequately cover all the world of art that you encounter and have a positive reaction to - or are there distinctions in the way you respond to different works of art. If so - can you put those distinctions into words?

wow! Awesome! Man! Jesus wept! Cool, well shoted, Sh*t hot, 'kin sh*t hot! or 'Kin Helllllll

Looking at what you see as good or fine art turns you into a voyer whilst you masterbate your grey cells, thats good art!

You see, hoboh, you can't fool us anymore. Because on page 16 of this thread you had a lapse into intelligence, and now your cover is seriously blown, and forever.

No matter what you do now, or what you say, or however convincing your attempt to prove otherwise, we all know you don't really have the IQ of a half-pissed ameoba.

I admit this is a good attempt, the deliberate spelling musteaks an all, but you are fecked, we know you and your mates at cambridge are just havin a laff, like... nice one.

What!!! I was sober I think! Bloody arty farty thread!

[William the White]

So yes, this is what I did on my year abroad - chase European history around by day, and European women around by night. I miss it a lot.

That sounds like a year incredibly well spent...

[boltonboris]

So yes, this is what I did on my year abroad - chase European history around by day, and European women around by night. I miss it a lot.

That sounds like a year incredibly well spent...

Depends if he pulled or not!!

[Lord Kangana]

Sounds like In Bruges.

Were there any dwarves?

[thebish]

Absolutely not, and, unlike Worthy, I have not argued that it does. My contention was that, in your welcome and eloquent attempts to explain your reactions, you had become slightly carried away and said something that wasn't actually true; but I suppose I have to take you at your word if you say I'm wrong. If you can put into words what deeper understanding of anything that Prodigal gives you, I shall be very impressed!

OK... I find that the experience of "learning" is quite complex. Everything I know I did not learn at school or from a book or at Uni or at Oxford. I do leran from books - and from traditional sources of education - but I suspect I learn a whole lot more sublininally from 1001 sources. How do we "learn" or gain an understanding about something like "forgiveness"? My guess is LESS from academic sources - books, lectures, tutors - and MORE from experience and from insights into the experiences of others. I have learned about forgiveness from quite extensive reading - but (as you suggested) I have learned quite a bit more from less tangible encounters - such as those I have with people who come to me for counsel (yes - scary thought that is that people would do that!) - and even more from watching people I admire and how they express grace through their lives.

I have lived a fairly privileged life - and as yet have not experienced many huge moments of utter turmoil and grief that might require "heroic" forgiveness - so my own experience of life is inadequate to teach me all I might learn - and books only take me so far - I fall back on other things - the experience of people around me - and a small part of that is the experience of "forgiveness" expressed in the Prodigal Son.

can I pick out a syllabus listing what "bit" I learned here or there? no. But - that painting takes it place in my journey of deepening understanding.

I have tried in places to pad out what I think beyond "I like". In many cases, my explanation is that that something appeals to me because it taps into my acute megalomania or my need to be transported out of the mundane and into the realm of exciting fantasy every now and then.

surely being "transported" is merely another word for being "moved"?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Absolutely not, and, unlike Worthy, I have not argued that it does. My contention was that, in your welcome and eloquent attempts to explain your reactions, you had become slightly carried away and said something that wasn't actually true; but I suppose I have to take you at your word if you say I'm wrong. If you can put into words what deeper understanding of anything that Prodigal gives you, I shall be very impressed!

OK... I find that the experience of "learning" is quite complex. Everything I know I did not learn at school or from a book or at Uni or at Oxford. I do leran from books - and from traditional sources of education - but I suspect I learn a whole lot more sublininally from 1001 sources. How do we "learn" or gain an understanding about something like "forgiveness"? My guess is LESS from academic sources - books, lectures, tutors - and MORE from experience and from insights into the experiences of others. I have learned about forgiveness from quite extensive reading - but (as you suggested) I have learned quite a bit more from less tangible encounters - such as those I have with people who come to me for counsel (yes - scary thought that is that people would do that!) - and even more from watching people I admire and how they express grace through their lives.

I have lived a fairly privileged life - and as yet have not experienced many huge moments of utter turmoil and grief that might require "heroic" forgiveness - so my own experience of life is inadequate to teach me all I might learn - and books only take me so far - I fall back on other things - the experience of people around me - and a small part of that is the experience of "forgiveness" expressed in the Prodigal Son.

can I pick out a syllabus listing what "bit" I learned here or there? no. But - that painting takes it place in my journey of deepening understanding.

Point taken (and very well made).

I have tried in places to pad out what I think beyond "I like". In many cases, my explanation is that that something appeals to me because it taps into my acute megalomania or my need to be transported out of the mundane and into the realm of exciting fantasy every now and then.

surely being "transported" is merely another word for being "moved"?

Yes, I agree - I have never raised any objection to the idea that art can me moving.


Anyway, I'm really keen to start exploring this, now it's opened: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 937925.ece

I think I might fit in a couple of hours there on Friday.

[keveh]

I quite liked Michael Vaughan's art:

http://www.castlegalleries.com/news/200 ... rtballing/

Especially this one:

http://www.castlegalleries.com/news/200 ... /works.asp

[thebish]

Anyway, I'm really keen to start exploring this, now it's opened: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 937925.ece

I think I might fit in a couple of hours there on Friday.

maybe we should have a TW art meet there!

[boltonboris]

I quite liked Michael Vaughan's art:

http://www.castlegalleries.com/news/200 ... rtballing/

Especially this one:

http://www.castlegalleries.com/news/200 ... /works.asp

Would it still be classed as Art, if lets say David Beckham kicked a football covered in paint at a canvas? To me, he's just abusing his status as a well known sportsman in order to cash in on his 'art'

[TANGODANCER]

[Would it still be classed as Art, if lets say David Beckham kicked a football covered in paint at a canvas?

Nope. Victoria would have to walk over it in her David Choo's first, then it would be fashion art.

[boltonboris]

[Would it still be classed as Art, if lets say David Beckham kicked a football covered in paint at a canvas?

Nope. Victoria would have to walk over it in her David Choo's first, then it would be fashion art.

Or 'fart' in Orwellian New Speak

[Verbal]

Anyway, I'm really keen to start exploring this, now it's opened: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 937925.ece

I think I might fit in a couple of hours there on Friday.

maybe we should have a TW art meet there!

A twart meet?

[thebish]

Anyway, I'm really keen to start exploring this, now it's opened: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 937925.ece

I think I might fit in a couple of hours there on Friday.

maybe we should have a TW art meet there!

A twart meet?

aye - that's catchy!

[Prufrock]

Anyway, I'm really keen to start exploring this, now it's opened: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 937925.ece

I think I might fit in a couple of hours there on Friday.

maybe we should have a TW art meet there!

A twart meet?

aye - that's catchy!

Are we bothering then?

[TANGODANCER]

Anyway, I'm really keen to start exploring this, now it's opened: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ ... 937925.ece

I think I might fit in a couple of hours there on Friday.

maybe we should have a TW art meet there!

A twart meet?

aye - that's catchy!

Are we bothering then?

So you think a full scale row and a punch-up in the V&A is a good idea? We'd certainly be "moved, probably outside":mrgreen:

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Are we bothering then?

Don't think I'll make it tomorrow now, but yeah, let's have a wander down sometime.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Are we bothering then?

Don't think I'll make it tomorrow now, but yeah, let's have a wander down sometime.

Also, you'll have to get me into UCL to see the Flaxman gallery.

[Prufrock]

Are we bothering then?

Don't think I'll make it tomorrow now, but yeah, let's have a wander down sometime.

Also, you'll have to get me into UCL to see the Flaxman gallery.

Fair enough, gimme a shout when you are about then. As for the Flaxman, I'll have an ask. It's inside the library bit which you need an ID card to get into, but I'm sure there must be a way of signing in visitors.