Benitez .... prick

[seanworth]

Anyone else see the game?

Just how bad was Howard Webb?

If he's the best the league has to offer then we're all doomed.

Saw the game and thought that Web was being quite the wanker out there. Still Liverpool's 2nd half performance clearly topped Webb's performance.

Gerrard looks out of shape and as soon as his legs went so did the entire team along with him. Nice to see Johnson finding the net again though.

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

Anyone else see the game?

Just how bad was Howard Webb?

If he's the best the league has to offer then we're all doomed.

Saw the game and thought that Web was being quite the wanker out there. Still Liverpool's 2nd half performance clearly topped Webb's performance.

Gerrard looks out of shape and as soon as his legs went so did the entire team along with him. Nice to see Johnson finding the net again though.

Normally the moment he's ran into the penalty area....

[H. Pedersen]

£20 million for Keane, or £12 million for Arshavin. Hmmmm . . .

[Lord Kangana]

Another manager who p*sses his transfer budget away on fullbacks.

[blurred]

Just listened to Radio Merseyside's post-match phone in.

That's where your problems started. The charlies that phone in to that have been wanting Rafa out for about 2 years, if not more. Radio phone-ins are full of knee-jerking, know-nothing blerts, by and large.

[James B]

Just listened to Radio Merseyside's post-match phone in.

That's where your problems started. The charlies that phone in to that have been wanting Rafa out for about 2 years, if not more. Radio phone-ins are full of knee-jerking, know-nothing blerts, by and large.

sounds like half our fan base (at least)

[seanworth]

Just listened to Radio Merseyside's post-match phone in.

That's where your problems started. The charlies that phone in to that have been wanting Rafa out for about 2 years, if not more. Radio phone-ins are full of knee-jerking, know-nothing blerts, by and large.

Be careful now blurred, remember you represent these charlies as you call them.

[hisroyalgingerness]

Just listened to Radio Merseyside's post-match phone in.

That's where your problems started. The charlies that phone in to that have been wanting Rafa out for about 2 years, if not more. Radio phone-ins are full of knee-jerking, know-nothing blerts, by and large.

sounds like half our fan base (at least)

Fook me how more high and mighty do you want to try and make yourself

[Worthy4England]

Just listened to Radio Merseyside's post-match phone in.

That's where your problems started. The charlies that phone in to that have been wanting Rafa out for about 2 years, if not more. Radio phone-ins are full of knee-jerking, know-nothing blerts, by and large.

sounds like half our fan base (at least)

Fook me how more high and mighty do you want to try and make yourself

Bloody knee jerking know-nowt.

[blurred]

Be careful now blurred, remember you represent these charlies as you call them.

Why should I be careful? A lot of football fans who phone in to 606 and its regional equivalents are quite clearly morons. A lot of people who talk football on the internet are quite clearly morons. Doesn't mean we don't stand up for their rights, or exclude them from anything we do.

For what it's worth, I hold a lot of modern society in contempt, not just football fans

Finding reasoned, rational and informed debate is quite hard to do, and phone-ins are not the place to do it - they live and die by the easy soundbite, pigeonholing of ideas and reduction of complex issues down to 60 second bursts that can hold the listeners' attention. They're always black/white and allow for no shades of grey whatsoever: Rafa In/Out, Refs Great/Useless, Technology Good/Bad...

[Hoboh]

Be careful now blurred, remember you represent these charlies as you call them.

Why should I be careful? A lot of football fans who phone in to 606 and its regional equivalents are quite clearly morons. A lot of people who talk football on the internet are quite clearly morons. Doesn't mean we don't stand up for their rights, or exclude them from anything we do.

For what it's worth, I hold a lot of modern society in contempt, not just football fans

Finding reasoned, rational and informed debate is quite hard to do, and phone-ins are not the place to do it - they live and die by the easy soundbite, pigeonholing of ideas and reduction of complex issues down to 60 second bursts that can hold the listeners' attention. They're always black/white and allow for no shades of grey whatsoever: Rafa In/Out, Refs Great/Useless, Technology Good/Bad...

Welcome to the world of football Diversity Blurred

[FaninOz]

Anyone else see the game?

Just how bad was Howard Webb?

If he's the best the league has to offer then we're all doomed.

Yes I did and what a blatent penalty he missed in the first half, I know it was "Mr so Easy to Fall over Gerrard" but even so it was a 100% penalty and would have changed the game. Mind Liverpool did lose there way in the second half.

[Worthy4England]

Be careful now blurred, remember you represent these charlies as you call them.

A lot of people who talk football on the internet are quite clearly morons.

That usually means "a lot of people who talk football and don't have "our" point of view."

It's fairly difficult on a phone in, to get enough time to get everything you want to say, said. So regardless as to whether you could for example, construct a wonderful 60 minute show to explain in well thought out detail why Rafa isn't right (or Megson for that matter), you're only going to get a couple of minutes generally, unless the phone lines are quiet. I'd suggest that's not the fault of the individual, but the format of the show - which I think is what you're saying too. The fact that it comes across as "he's got to go because our recent results are crap", because that's all the person has time to say, doesn't in itself make them a moron.

[Lord Kangana]

I can only assume blurred means himself.

[BWFC_Insane]

Be careful now blurred, remember you represent these charlies as you call them.

A lot of people who talk football on the internet are quite clearly morons.

That usually means "a lot of people who talk football and don't have "our" point of view."

It's fairly difficult on a phone in, to get enough time to get everything you want to say, said. So regardless as to whether you could for example, construct a wonderful 60 minute show to explain in well thought out detail why Rafa isn't right (or Megson for that matter), you're only going to get a couple of minutes generally, unless the phone lines are quiet. I'd suggest that's not the fault of the individual, but the format of the show - which I think is what you're saying too. The fact that it comes across as "he's got to go because our recent results are crap", because that's all the person has time to say, doesn't in itself make them a moron.

No Blurred is right on this one. There are a lot of morons who discuss football on phone ins or the internet. Which is why this forum is good because there are relatively few if any.

But if you'd like to see an example of a "gaggle" of morons discussing football (what is the collective term for a group of morons?) just flick over to the BN forums. There is more than enough evidence there!

[Worthy4England]

Yes, we should congratulate ourselves on being so good.

[seanworth]

Be careful now blurred, remember you represent these charlies as you call them.

A lot of people who talk football on the internet are quite clearly morons.

That usually means "a lot of people who talk football and don't have "our" point of view."

It's fairly difficult on a phone in, to get enough time to get everything you want to say, said. So regardless as to whether you could for example, construct a wonderful 60 minute show to explain in well thought out detail why Rafa isn't right (or Megson for that matter), you're only going to get a couple of minutes generally, unless the phone lines are quiet. I'd suggest that's not the fault of the individual, but the format of the show - which I think is what you're saying too. The fact that it comes across as "he's got to go because our recent results are crap", because that's all the person has time to say, doesn't in itself make them a moron.

No Blurred is right on this one. There are a lot of morons who discuss football on phone ins or the internet. Which is why this forum is good because there are relatively few if any.

But if you'd like to see an example of a "gaggle" of morons discussing football (what is the collective term for a group of morons?) just flick over to the BN forums. There is more than enough evidence there!

Aren't these phone ins usually almost immediately after the game? I always (well sometimes) find it interesting looking at a game thread during, immediately after, and then a day or two later. There aren't half some drama queens, but that doesn't mean they are morons. As a sports fan, we all get overly emotional at times.

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That usually means "a lot of people who talk football and don't have "our" point of view."

It's fairly difficult on a phone in, to get enough time to get everything you want to say, said. So regardless as to whether you could for example, construct a wonderful 60 minute show to explain in well thought out detail why Rafa isn't right (or Megson for that matter), you're only going to get a couple of minutes generally, unless the phone lines are quiet. I'd suggest that's not the fault of the individual, but the format of the show - which I think is what you're saying too. The fact that it comes across as "he's got to go because our recent results are crap", because that's all the person has time to say, doesn't in itself make them a moron.

Nope, plenty of people have different opinions to me and I'm not so arrogant as to suggest that I'm right about absolutely everything, especially where a lot of it is a matter of opinion as opposed to fact, anyway. You're perfectly entitled to have a different opinion, providing that you can back it up and that it makes sense. People have the right to question others' opinions, and if they don't stand up to scrutiny then they fall into the aforementioned 'moron' category.

I agree the format is crap, but I disagree that you don't get the time to make your point. Even if you get 30-60 seconds uninterrupted airtime, that should be plenty to get your point across and make some sort of coherent and logical point about your views (albeit not the full singing and dancing version). Except people don't. It's the same on the net - people would rather post a short sentence or two about 'Megson Out' than bother to put the effort in to explaining their reasons behind their view. Those who don't bother to explain get lambasted for being morons, those who can explain in a reasoned fashion fall into the pile of people you disagree with, but at least they have a reasoned opinion.

[malcd1]

Just listened to Radio Merseyside's post-match phone in.

That's where your problems started. The charlies that phone in to that have been wanting Rafa out for about 2 years, if not more. Radio phone-ins are full of knee-jerking, know-nothing blerts, by and large.

These charlies are being proven right at the moment aren't they. Where does that leave the ones who want him to stay?

[James B]

Just listened to Radio Merseyside's post-match phone in.

That's where your problems started. The charlies that phone in to that have been wanting Rafa out for about 2 years, if not more. Radio phone-ins are full of knee-jerking, know-nothing blerts, by and large.

sounds like half our fan base (at least)

Fook me how more high and mighty do you want to try and make yourself

just telling it as i see it after the antics at wolves and the like over the past, well, 18 months