rage against the machine...

[Cheese]

What message is this anyway? We don't like popular music so we're going to sabotage it by re-re-releasing a song from well over 10 years ago. Maybe if new bands came out and were actually half decent, actually relevent themselves then we could use a song from this year by a band that actually still release music to make that message?

Oh yeah, that's right...there's nobody. I suppose it's Simon Cowell's fault that kids don't write articulate, important songs nowadays in their bands?

You obviously don't get your music from the right places. There are plenty of extremely talented bands out there writing articulate songs. They don't get any recognition though because the charts are full of reality tv stars, with the promotion of them being based on their image and celebrity status rather than the actual music they make (if you can even call it that. to me it's basically karaoke).

As for Rage Against The Machine, they haven't re-released the song. The campaign was started on the internet without their knowledge.

And Radio 5 getting them to perform live and expecting them to behave like Take That is just ridiculous. I don't even like them to be honest, but I respect them more for doing what they did, rather than if they'd showed up and been all affable and arse-kissing, just to sell a record.

[Tombwfc]

But they are just selling their record, just in a different way to how Take That would. Being 'rebellious' is their schtick, and they do it very well. They've been in the game long enough to know what'd happen if they started swearing at half 8 on the radio and they also know who it appeals too. Generally speaking, Nicky Campbell and 5 Live Saturday morning listeners aren't their target audience, teenagers who are angry at everything for no apparent reason is.

It was funny though. Infact, it'd be a very funny campaign, if it wasn't for all the cringeworthy "Yeah, we're sticking it to the man through Christmas! feck you I won't do what you tell me!" aspect of it (especially when the campaign is built on telling people what to do).

They should've picked Journey.

[palexjones]

Couple of points
Rage were live in a studio in AMERICA a 10 hour time difference and do they have watersheds in the states?
the band have said that the profits will go to shelter and a british kids musical charity - hardly proffiterring is it
Respect to them for donating the proffits
disrespect to Cowell for calling anybody who buys it stupid
GO download the rage

[Cheese]

But they are just selling their record, just in a different way to how Take That would. Being 'rebellious' is their schtick, and they do it very well. They've been in the game long enough to know what'd happen if they started swearing at half 8 on the radio and they also know who it appeals too. Generally speaking, Nicky Campbell and 5 Live Saturday morning listeners aren't their target audience, teenagers who are angry at everything for no apparent reason is.

It was funny though. Infact, it'd be a very funny campaign, if it wasn't for all the cringeworthy "Yeah, we're sticking it to the man through Christmas! feck you I won't do what you tell me!" aspect of it (especially when the campaign is built on telling people what to do).

They should've picked Journey.

I don't think "being rebellious is their schtick" is giving them enough credit. They're not rebellious for the sake of being rebellious. Read up on them, and you'd be surprised.

And as palexjones said, the proceeds that result from this campaign are going to charity, which again they should be given credit for.

[Tombwfc]

But they are just selling their record, just in a different way to how Take That would. Being 'rebellious' is their schtick, and they do it very well. They've been in the game long enough to know what'd happen if they started swearing at half 8 on the radio and they also know who it appeals too. Generally speaking, Nicky Campbell and 5 Live Saturday morning listeners aren't their target audience, teenagers who are angry at everything for no apparent reason is.

It was funny though. Infact, it'd be a very funny campaign, if it wasn't for all the cringeworthy "Yeah, we're sticking it to the man through Christmas! feck you I won't do what you tell me!" aspect of it (especially when the campaign is built on telling people what to do).

They should've picked Journey.

I don't think "being rebellious is their schtick" is giving them enough credit. They're not rebellious for the sake of being rebellious. Read up on them, and you'd be surprised.

And as palexjones said, the proceeds that result from this campaign are going to charity, which again they should be given credit for.

I'm not saying they aren't serious about being rebellious, or that they adopted it originally as a cynical USP. I'm just saying, that's what they're known for, of course they're going to play up to it. There's no other reason for doing it than that. There's no great political statement to be made by swearing on 5 Live.

And yes, the Shelter thing is very good. The folks who set up the Facebook group deserve a lot of credit for that too, they've raised something like £40,000 for Shelter through the group.

It's a fun campaign, started with the best of intentions. I just think it's been hijacked to an extent.

[Cheese]

But they are just selling their record, just in a different way to how Take That would. Being 'rebellious' is their schtick, and they do it very well. They've been in the game long enough to know what'd happen if they started swearing at half 8 on the radio and they also know who it appeals too. Generally speaking, Nicky Campbell and 5 Live Saturday morning listeners aren't their target audience, teenagers who are angry at everything for no apparent reason is.

It was funny though. Infact, it'd be a very funny campaign, if it wasn't for all the cringeworthy "Yeah, we're sticking it to the man through Christmas! feck you I won't do what you tell me!" aspect of it (especially when the campaign is built on telling people what to do).

They should've picked Journey.

I don't think "being rebellious is their schtick" is giving them enough credit. They're not rebellious for the sake of being rebellious. Read up on them, and you'd be surprised.

And as palexjones said, the proceeds that result from this campaign are going to charity, which again they should be given credit for.

I'm not saying they aren't serious about being rebellious, or that they adopted it originally as a cynical USP. I'm just saying, that's what they're known for, of course they're going to play up to it. There's no other reason for doing it than that. There's no great political statement to be made by swearing on 5 Live.

And yes, the Shelter thing is very good. The folks who set up the Facebook group deserve a lot of credit for that too, they've raised something like £40,000 for Shelter through the group.

It's a fun campaign, started with the best of intentions. I just think it's been hijacked to an extent.

I agree that it's been hijacked. By the media obviously. And Radio 5 got exactly what they wanted out of it too if you ask me.

[boltonboris]

But they are just selling their record, just in a different way to how Take That would. Being 'rebellious' is their schtick, and they do it very well. They've been in the game long enough to know what'd happen if they started swearing at half 8 on the radio and they also know who it appeals too. Generally speaking, Nicky Campbell and 5 Live Saturday morning listeners aren't their target audience, teenagers who are angry at everything for no apparent reason is.

It was funny though. Infact, it'd be a very funny campaign, if it wasn't for all the cringeworthy "Yeah, we're sticking it to the man through Christmas! feck you I won't do what you tell me!" aspect of it (especially when the campaign is built on telling people what to do).

They should've picked Journey.

As per my point earlier in the thread.. I just think it's very ironic. "F**k you, we won't do what you tell us" or whatever it was.

Then in the same breath.... 'go on....be rebellious and go to Facebook.com and then buy our record, to get us to the number 1 spot for the lucrative Christmas Period" Whilst on BBC Radio

F*&K YOU RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

Non-conformist my hairy bumcheeks

[Prufrock]

Fun campaign? Yak, it's clearly started by some rah types, the sort who start sentences with, 'Hey, guys,...' and say things like, 'Hi, if we pool all our money together we can win more money on the quiz machine'. 'Hey guys, wouldn't it be funny if we got that song with swearing in to be Xmas number one?' 'Yah yah , great idea Toby, now let's go to the pub in our flip-flops.' 'Right behind you Henry, mine's a Pimms.'

As for Rage, course they were going to do it, and it was funny. Clearly Radio Five had no real clue who they were, as seen by the DJ before mentioning how he does like a bit of swing. Also, bless 'em, I don't think Rage got it was a Rah haha arent we funny facebook jobby and started talking about economic inequality and a Kabal of overpaid professional songwriters. Not sure I get this 'haha they say I won't do what you told me but they are telling us what to do what a witty observation', seems a bit 'we're all different', 'I'm not' to me. Point of killing in the name is not don't do anything that anybody says ever again on any condition and in fact make a point of doing the exact opposite, that would be fecking silly.

[Hoboh]

I just wonder how many folk saw Dylan as a subversive hippy lay about who wrote and sang shite songs before he was deemed to be fashionable!

[TANGODANCER]

It's probably me, but it all seems a bit schoolboy toilet humour: 'Oh look, we said Fxck on the radio and got away with it. Nobody's telling us what to do, even if they are paying our wages' What exactly did it prove?

[BWFC_Insane]

I just wonder how many folk saw Dylan as a subversive hippy lay about who wrote and sang shite songs before he was deemed to be fashionable!

Only poorly educated ill informed morons I should imagine!

[Cheese]

As per my point earlier in the thread.. I just think it's very ironic. "F**k you, we won't do what you tell us" or whatever it was.

Then in the same breath.... 'go on....be rebellious and go to Facebook.com and then buy our record, to get us to the number 1 spot for the lucrative Christmas Period" Whilst on BBC Radio

F*&K YOU RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

Non-conformist my hairy bumcheeks

That's a bit like saying the Hungarian revolutionists in 1956 were just "doing what they were told" because there was a lot of them. Obviously, I'm taking it to the extreme to make a point. And I don't even like Rage Against the Machine, nor have I bought the single.

At the end of the day, it can only be a good thing if another tediously mundane cover by a reality TV show winner is prevented from being yet another Christmas number 1.

To be honest, I don't really care anyway. It just irritates me that these singers get so much attention for a month every year because they won a karaoke competition.

[boltonboris]

As per my point earlier in the thread.. I just think it's very ironic. "F**k you, we won't do what you tell us" or whatever it was.

Then in the same breath.... 'go on....be rebellious and go to Facebook.com and then buy our record, to get us to the number 1 spot for the lucrative Christmas Period" Whilst on BBC Radio

F*&K YOU RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE - I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

Non-conformist my hairy bumcheeks

That's a bit like saying the Hungarian revolutionists in 1956 were just "doing what they were told" because there was a lot of them. Obviously, I'm taking it to the extreme to make a point. And I don't even like Rage Against the Machine, nor have I bought the single.

At the end of the day, it can only be a good thing if another tediously mundane cover by a reality TV show winner is prevented from being yet another Christmas number 1.

To be honest, I don't really care anyway. It just irritates me that these singers get so much attention for a month every year because they won a karaoke competition.

Now THAT we can agree on sir!!

[Cheese]

That's a bit like saying the Hungarian revolutionists in 1956 were just "doing what they were told" because there was a lot of them. Obviously, I'm taking it to the extreme to make a point. And I don't even like Rage Against the Machine, nor have I bought the single.

At the end of the day, it can only be a good thing if another tediously mundane cover by a reality TV show winner is prevented from being yet another Christmas number 1.

To be honest, I don't really care anyway. It just irritates me that these singers get so much attention for a month every year because they won a karaoke competition.

Now THAT we can agree on sir!!

[americantrotter]

Tango it's not just a song of f's for fun. it's a song with a true point of the brutality of authority. Particularly of those in control. (badges) With the direct link being the American KKK.

Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control

[Montreal Wanderer]

I just wonder how many folk saw Dylan as a subversive hippy lay about who wrote and sang shite songs before he was deemed to be fashionable!

Only poorly educated ill informed morons I should imagine!

Agreed. While I would never claim he had the best voice in the world, he was a great songwriter. His lyrics spoke for a whole generation (mine I guess), which rebelled against repression, McCarthyism, an unjust war and an unjust society. In a way I like him more before he became more generally fashionable. ALL IMHO of course.

[BWFC_Insane]

I just wonder how many folk saw Dylan as a subversive hippy lay about who wrote and sang shite songs before he was deemed to be fashionable!

Only poorly educated ill informed morons I should imagine!

Agreed. While I would never claim he had the best voice in the world, he was a great songwriter. His lyrics spoke for a whole generation (mine I guess), which rebelled against repression, McCarthyism, an unjust war and an unjust society. In a way I like him more before he became more generally fashionable. ALL IMHO of course.

And the bizarre thing was, Dylan never ever wanted to or was comfortable being a "spokesman" for the people. He just wrote songs.

His best album is blood on the tracks anyways!

[William the White]

Blood on the tracks and Desire both outstanding. I'v an enduring fondeness for the basement Tapes and a lot of the bootlegs also. I've not yet come across a Duylan album that doesn't contain something excellent.

[BWFC_Insane]

Blood on the tracks and Desire both outstanding. I'v an enduring fondeness for the basement Tapes and a lot of the bootlegs also. I've not yet come across a Duylan album that doesn't contain something excellent.

Indeed. Though some of them have some not so good stuff on aswell, especially the dodgy 80's period!

Haven't heard his "christmas album" yet though!

[Jakerbeef]

I blame Gary Jules.

That song as wok the 1st time, got overplayed, and then emo's sniveled it to an xmas no1.

Been a bit daft ever since.