Today I'm angry about.....

[jaffka]

Tips in yanksville are used to prop up poor wages. Its no surprise people are desperate for 'em.

Then unless some of them stop being rude pricks their earnings are unlikely to increase.

aye, feck em, if they ave to do sh**e work then their povs

[Montreal Wanderer]

Tips in yanksville are used to prop up poor wages. Its no surprise people are desperate for 'em.

Then unless some of them stop being rude pricks their earnings are unlikely to increase.

I assume Yanksville to refer to the whole country. New York tends to be a bit different in terms of attitudes and I can see why visitors might find the locals rude. Personally I would not tip for lousy service but I find in general Americans try to be friendly and helpful to visitors, even if they don't always succeed.

[jimbo]

Tips in yanksville are used to prop up poor wages. Its no surprise people are desperate for 'em.

Then unless some of them stop being rude pricks their earnings are unlikely to increase.

I assume Yanksville to refer to the whole country. New York tends to be a bit different in terms of attitudes and I can see why visitors might find the locals rude. Personally I would not tip for lousy service but I find in general Americans try to be friendly and helpful to visitors, even if they don't always succeed.

On the whole the service was extremely friendly - certainly better than the monosyllabic teenage waiters and waitresses at English eateries. My problem was how they expect a tip as standard. Tip should be an extra for exceptional service, not for what was, in some cases, poor and rude.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Tips in yanksville are used to prop up poor wages. Its no surprise people are desperate for 'em.

Then unless some of them stop being rude pricks their earnings are unlikely to increase.

I assume Yanksville to refer to the whole country. New York tends to be a bit different in terms of attitudes and I can see why visitors might find the locals rude. Personally I would not tip for lousy service but I find in general Americans try to be friendly and helpful to visitors, even if they don't always succeed.

On the whole the service was extremely friendly - certainly better than the monosyllabic teenage waiters and waitresses at English eateries. My problem was how they expect a tip as standard. Tip should be an extra for exceptional service, not for what was, in some cases, poor and rude.

I avoid restaurants that include a service charge as the staff have little incentive to give the kind of service you want. 15% is considered normal and reasonable for good service and 10% for adequate service. Lousy service give nothing and don't go back. Also remember to tip on the cost of the meal, not on the meal plus tax in states where tax is charged.

[a1]

I avoid restaurants that include a service charge as the staff have little incentive to give the kind of service you want. 15% is considered normal and reasonable for good service and 10% for adequate service. Lousy service give nothing and don't go back. Also remember to tip on the cost of the meal, not on the meal plus tax in states where tax is charged.

it all sounds like an income tax dodge.

either by the employer or employee or both.

like company directors paying themselves £1 in wages and millions in bonuses/stock.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I avoid restaurants that include a service charge as the staff have little incentive to give the kind of service you want. 15% is considered normal and reasonable for good service and 10% for adequate service. Lousy service give nothing and don't go back. Also remember to tip on the cost of the meal, not on the meal plus tax in states where tax is charged.

it all sounds like an income tax dodge.

either by the employer or employee or both.

like company directors paying themselves £1 in wages and millions in bonuses/stock.

Service industry employees are required to report all 'tip' income by law, so I'm sure they report some. I doubt they report all however. The tax I was referring to though is sales tax which the employer gives to the government.

[Lord Kangana]

It is a tax dodge, on both the employers and employee's behalf. Over here it avoids tax and national insurance contributions (which both sides have to pay). Basically, if you want to guarantee yourself better service, pay more upfront. Here endeth the lesson.

[Dujon]

I've worked at the coal face in service industry in a small number of areas (banking, service station attendant, golf caddy, shop owner - perhaps a couple of others that I've forgotten) and, to be honest, I was offended if a 'tip' was offered and thus it was usually - politely of course - declined. Perhaps that sounds a bit holier-than-thou but it's not meant that way. The ethos behind that attitude was that I was being paid to do a job, by a customer or an employer, and that also meant I did such to the best of my ability.

Bloody hell I've been hard up at times, just as most of us have I suspect, but to expect someone to slip an extra shilling or two for services rendered is silly. There is, however, one circumstance in which I will accept some form of extra-curricular emolument, and that is in a long term relationship with a customer who out of the goodness of their heart leaves a bottle of something or other as they leave my office or workshop.

[bobo the clown]

... some form of extra-curricular emolument ...

B-Hell, Dujon, "extra-curricular emolument" ?

A job in HR awaits, surely.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I've worked at the coal face in service industry in a small number of areas (banking, service station attendant, golf caddy, shop owner - perhaps a couple of others that I've forgotten) and, to be honest, I was offended if a 'tip' was offered and thus it was usually - politely of course - declined. Perhaps that sounds a bit holier-than-thou but it's not meant that way. The ethos behind that attitude was that I was being paid to do a job, by a customer or an employer, and that also meant I did such to the best of my ability.

Bloody hell I've been hard up at times, just as most of us have I suspect, but to expect someone to slip an extra shilling or two for services rendered is silly. There is, however, one circumstance in which I will accept some form of extra-curricular emolument, and that is in a long term relationship with a customer who out of the goodness of their heart leaves a bottle of something or other as they leave my office or workshop.

The ethic in Australia is quite different though, Dujon. Service industry employees are paid quite well and tipping is not the norm. This can create problems for antipodal tourists traveling in North America - they seem to attract spilled soup bowls and indirect taxi routes.

[Bruce Rioja]

Basically, if you want to guarantee yourself better service, pay more upfront.

I expect, as a paying punter, serving staff to be exactly that and to serve me in a professional manner. I'm there to taste the delights of the chef, not put up with the surly attitude of some minimum wager.

[Lord Kangana]

Which is exactly why service is sh*t in this country. You don't buy a Lada and complain about the ride.

[Bruce Rioja]

Which is exactly why service is sh*t in this country. You don't buy a Lada and complain about the ride.

I don't tend to eat where they serve Ladas. If I'm spending say, £250 for two, then I expect to be paying for every single aspect thereof. I expect the service to be in accordance.

[Lord Kangana]

And if you are then you will. Which is the point I made.

[General Mannerheim]

Another one thats more annoyance than anger - but i hate asking for, waiting for, and paying the bill in restaurants.

when i have cleaned my plate i want to leave, straight away - but you always have to sit there until a waiter tootles by, awkwardly refuse the sweet menu and request the bill, wait ages for them to bring it, then a bit longer while you cough up or slap your card down, then while they bring your change or the card machine... does my head in - all restaurants should be like the Nando's and the Brewers Fayre's - pay up front!

finish, down tools an go! nice and simple.

[Lord Kangana]

Have you tried drive-through, General?

[thebish]

Which is exactly why service is sh*t in this country. You don't buy a Lada and complain about the ride.

I don't tend to eat where they serve Ladas. If I'm spending say, £250 for two, then I expect to be paying for every single aspect thereof. I expect the service to be in accordance.

blimey!! how the other 'arf live!

[Worthy4England]

Which is exactly why service is sh*t in this country. You don't buy a Lada and complain about the ride.

I don't tend to eat where they serve Ladas. If I'm spending say, £250 for two, then I expect to be paying for every single aspect thereof. I expect the service to be in accordance.

blimey!! how the other 'arf live!

Yeah - we'd all like a Lada.

[Bruce Rioja]

And if you are then you will. Which is the point I made.

I was agreeing wih you!

[Lord Kangana]

And if you are then you will. Which is the point I made.

I was agreeing wih you!

Ahh.