So whats the obsession with 4-4-2?

[BWFC_Insane]

Do you think if we'd hired, Mark Hughes, Sam Allardyce, Alan Curbishley that we'd have signed Weiss, Wilshere and Holden?

Cos I don't. Either Coyle lied or he did have money.

Now even assuming we didn't, was there no chance of signing a more experienced/physical player on loan? And given he signed those three whats the point when he clearly thinks they're not good enough/ready yet?

We supposedly were signing Guti until Megson left, now would that not have potentially been a better loan? Someone with some top level experience? Not saying he'd have been ideal and probably wouldn't have been on my list, but the three we got I knew wouldn't cut it in a relegation battle, it was obvious, and thats why they're not playing now according to Dearden.

Question is why did Coyle not realise this?

[Lord Kangana]

When was the Guti signing anything but rumour that was being scotched because he'd never sign for Bolton? Has the party line changed now that Megson has left?

[Peter Thompson]

Do you think if we'd hired, Mark Hughes, Sam Allardyce, Alan Curbishley that we'd have signed Weiss, Wilshere and Holden?

Cos I don't. Either Coyle lied or he did have money.

Now even assuming we didn't, was there no chance of signing a more experienced/physical player on loan? And given he signed those three whats the point when he clearly thinks they're not good enough/ready yet?

We supposedly were signing Guti until Megson left, now would that not have potentially been a better loan? Someone with some top level experience? Not saying he'd have been ideal and probably wouldn't have been on my list, but the three we got I knew wouldn't cut it in a relegation battle, it was obvious, and thats why they're not playing now according to Dearden.

Question is why did Coyle not realise this?

Guti was just a rumour, never confirmed....but Yes he would have been a much better option and would have added something due to his experience and quality, but Wiltshire also could if he's given a few games

And I don't think Coyle had any money in the window - Megson spunked all of our cash on this current crop of players..

[Worthy4England]

If we go down Coyle has failed, he said so himself when he joined. He had the chance in January to do more than sign three players he clearly doesn't rate as better than the ones we already had.

End of the day IF he can't match Megsons point per game over half a season then there is little else to conclude other than we'd have been better off sticking with GM and his decidedly average points haul.

We don't know how Coyle will cope under this pressure as he's never been under this before in his managerial career!

No, we'd gone past the point where sticking with Megson was a valid option.

What we should have done (of course) was replace him with Hughes. Who contrary to the Bolton News etc. seemed to be everyone's pick by a county mile in any poll I saw on the subject.

[BWFC_Insane]

When was the Guti signing anything but rumour that was being scotched because he'd never sign for Bolton? Has the party line changed now that Megson has left?

He wouldn't have signed probably. But thats not the point. Megson confirmed we were after him before he left. He at least knew what was needed. Coyle had a weeks gardening leave to watch our videos and see where we were lacking. I'm just not convinced that Coyle isn't a bit "Sammy Lee naive" sadly! At the moment at least.

[Peter Thompson]

When was the Guti signing anything but rumour that was being scotched because he'd never sign for Bolton? Has the party line changed now that Megson has left?

He wouldn't have signed probably. But thats not the point. Megson confirmed we were after him before he left. He at least knew what was needed. Coyle had a weeks gardening leave to watch our videos and see where we were lacking. I'm just not convinced that Coyle isn't a bit "Sammy Lee naive" sadly! At the moment at least.

I agree I think he is naive....but he's still the man to take us forward long term and change us (which is needed) - even if we have to take a huge step backward beforehand, and bear in mind that he can only use the cards that he inherited (apart from Wiltshire..).

[Lord Kangana]

Assess our squad by video in a week? Come on, thats ridiculous.

And Megson should have bloody well known what the issue was well before January, with him being the current manager and the guy who bought all the wrong players in the first place.

[Prufrock]

Either we were absolutely fecking awful under Megson, and therefore it is easy to spot what needed improving, or not. Doesn't work both ways. As for having no money to spend, I thought the whole point he left Burnley to come here was our budget? Megson needed to go, most were happy with Coyle. That much most don't seem to be disputing. If we go down he has failed. You can talk about Megson having resposibilty, and you'd be right, but he will have had half a season. There are no excuses.

Relating to the thread saying is this our worse prem team. Burnley side today : Jensen, Carlisle, Mears, Cort, Bikey, Fox, Cork, McDonald, Eagles, Fletcher, Nugent. Hull's team yesterday: Myhill, Dawson, Garnder, McShane, Mouyokolo, Hunt, Boateng, Carney, Fagan, V of Hess, Zaki.

If we don't finish above those two, we deserve to go down, and Coyle will have failed. I'm worried. I was worried under Meggo, and I'm still worried now.

[CAPSLOCK]

I wasn't worried under Megson

He'd shown he could keep us up

Always felt we have (just) enough to stay up

Saddest thing is he was deemed to be unable to take us to the next level

I fear for us now and I'd make it evens Coyle takes us to the next level and a game at Bloomfield Road

But, it's all good

[Peter Thompson]

Either we were absolutely fecking awful under Megson, and therefore it is easy to spot what needed improving, or not. Doesn't work both ways. As for having no money to spend, I thought the whole point he left Burnley to come here was our budget? Megson needed to go, most were happy with Coyle. That much most don't seem to be disputing. If we go down he has failed. You can talk about Megson having resposibilty, and you'd be right, but he will have had half a season. There are no excuses.

Relating to the thread saying is this our worse prem team. Burnley side today : Jensen, Carlisle, Mears, Cort, Bikey, Fox, Cork, McDonald, Eagles, Fletcher, Nugent. Hull's team yesterday: Myhill, Dawson, Garnder, McShane, Mouyokolo, Hunt, Boateng, Carney, Fagan, V of Hess, Zaki.

If we don't finish above those two, we deserve to go down, and Coyle will have failed. I'm worried. I was worried under Meggo, and I'm still worried now.

Seriously how many of our players would walk into that Hull side...but id take Hunt, Boateng, Fagan, even Zaki and i would definately take Giovanni & Bullard as well (when fit..).

Only Bolton players to walk into that Hull side would be Jussi, Cahill and possibly Lee (and Wiltshire if we count loan players) and maybe Elmander..so they are no worse a side than us

[Prufrock]

Either we were absolutely fecking awful under Megson, and therefore it is easy to spot what needed improving, or not. Doesn't work both ways. As for having no money to spend, I thought the whole point he left Burnley to come here was our budget? Megson needed to go, most were happy with Coyle. That much most don't seem to be disputing. If we go down he has failed. You can talk about Megson having resposibilty, and you'd be right, but he will have had half a season. There are no excuses.

Relating to the thread saying is this our worse prem team. Burnley side today : Jensen, Carlisle, Mears, Cort, Bikey, Fox, Cork, McDonald, Eagles, Fletcher, Nugent. Hull's team yesterday: Myhill, Dawson, Garnder, McShane, Mouyokolo, Hunt, Boateng, Carney, Fagan, V of Hess, Zaki.

If we don't finish above those two, we deserve to go down, and Coyle will have failed. I'm worried. I was worried under Meggo, and I'm still worried now.

Seriously how many of our players would walk into that Hull side...but id take Hunt, Boateng, Fagan, even Zaki and i would definately take Giovanni & Bullard as well (when fit..).

Only Bolton players to walk into that Hull side would be Jussi, Cahill and possibly Lee (and Wiltshire if we count loan players) and maybe Elmander..so they are no worse a side than us

Speechless. Genuinley speechless. Craig Fagan is the worst player in the world. McShane not far off, Gardner just behind him. A combined Bolton-Hull team would read. Jussi, Steinsson or Ricketts, Cahill, Knight, Garnder (ours) Lee, Muamba, Bullard, Hunt, Davo, Klasnic. They are toss, and Burnley are worse. Zaki had a marginally longer good spell than Elmo, before reverting to type. Ie: shit.

[Peter Thompson]

Pru its only an opinion....

I find it surprising that you feel that Steinsson, Ricketts, Knight, Muamba, Ricky Gardner, K Davies & Klasnic would walk into the Hull side - I seriously doubt it

You seriously over rate quite a few of our current 'very' average squad....

[Prufrock]

Pru its only an opinion....

I find it surprising that you feel that Steinsson, Ricketts, Knight, Muamba, Ricky Gardner, K Davies & Klasnic would walk into the Hull side - I seriously doubt it

You seriously over rate quite a few of our current 'very' average squad....

Yeah I knows, a wrong opinion mind

Steinsson and Ricketts are fairly average, and both have their faults, but Hull's right-back is Paul Mc-fecking-Shane, their isn't a font size big enough to stress that enough. He looks like he's being remote controlled by someone who saw RoboCop and thought, I reckon he'd make a good Premiership centre-back. Andy Dawson? If Michael Dawson is considered the talented defender in your familly, it's probably best to take up plumbing or something, you know, just in case the football career doesn't quite pan out. Anthony Gardner. Considered worse than Ricardo flaming Rocha whilst at Spurs. I'm failry sure I could get a game ahead of Ricardo Rocha, and whilst of course being wonderfully talented, I'm actually a central midfielder. George Boateng was a good player, in the sodding 90's. And as for Zaki and V of H. well. I'm fairly sure they are just part of an extended Jim'll Fix it. Our players may be average, in fact in some cases I think you may be being too kind with 'average', it's just, Hull are worse. Somehow, they and Burnley, are worse. At least on paper. But fitba is played on grass, and when the players aren't performing as well as they should on grass, you have to look at the manager. Megson went because 1ppg with this squad wasn't considered good enough. Coyle still has time, but he HAS to keep us up, or he's failed.

[Hoboh]

Neither of our fullbacks are good enough to make 4-4-2 work. Our right back likes moving to centre back and and our left back makes a tiara's on shire horses look quick!!

4-1-4-1 is the way I'd be playing, but the front 5 to a man defended like their lives.

[hisroyalgingerness]

I wasn't worried under Megson

He'd shown he could keep us up

Always felt we have (just) enough to stay up

Saddest thing is he was deemed to be unable to take us to the next level

I fear for us now and I'd make it evens Coyle takes us to the next level and a game at Bloomfield Road

But, it's all good

And I think we've had the first "I told you so" moment. Who had 20th Feb?

Give over CAPS you're not telling me that after blowing that lead at Hull there wasn't a bone in there that thought "oof, this doesn't look good."

[CAPSLOCK]

It's my opinion...thats all

Sorry n all taht

I've not said Coyles done owt wrong

Just I don't feel as confident now as I did

Game after game when we don't really look like scoring does that to me

[William the White]

I wasn't worried under Megson

He'd shown he could keep us up

Always felt we have (just) enough to stay up

Saddest thing is he was deemed to be unable to take us to the next level

I fear for us now and I'd make it evens Coyle takes us to the next level and a game at Bloomfield Road

But, it's all good

And I think we've had the first "I told you so" moment. Who had 20th Feb?

Give over CAPS you're not telling me that after blowing that lead at Hull there wasn't a bone in there that thought "oof, this doesn't look good."

CAPS doesn't move for time or tide. No bone less capable of thought than CAPS. No wall more brick than CAPS. No breath more wasted than talking to it.

But there is a memory of a previous time when twas all good... the good old days... when toothache felt really fine...

GM memory... Was all good...

[Tombwfc]

Do you think if we'd hired, Mark Hughes, Sam Allardyce, Alan Curbishley that we'd have signed Weiss, Wilshere and Holden?

Cos I don't. Either Coyle lied or he did have money.

Now even assuming we didn't, was there no chance of signing a more experienced/physical player on loan? And given he signed those three whats the point when he clearly thinks they're not good enough/ready yet?

We supposedly were signing Guti until Megson left, now would that not have potentially been a better loan? Someone with some top level experience? Not saying he'd have been ideal and probably wouldn't have been on my list, but the three we got I knew wouldn't cut it in a relegation battle, it was obvious, and thats why they're not playing now according to Dearden.

Question is why did Coyle not realise this?

In fairness, it's been 6 games since Weiss signed, and less for the other two. To say it's slightly early to be writing them all off as lightweight shirkers is something of an understatement. We're not blessed with time, but we can't expect miracles either. Djorkaeff and Bobic didn't exactly hit the ground running either.

Generally, I think if managers have cash, they spend it. Coyle risked so much upping sticks and coming here that I don't think there's a chance he'd be so assured of our safety that he just wouldn't bother spending his huge pile of cash. So no, I don't actually think there was any money there.

[CAPSLOCK]

Theres no doubt Coyle has been unlucky with injuries, but that makes it even more strange that we haven't seen more of the loanees, does it not?

[Hoboh]

Do you think if we'd hired, Mark Hughes, Sam Allardyce, Alan Curbishley that we'd have signed Weiss, Wilshere and Holden?

Cos I don't. Either Coyle lied or he did have money.

Now even assuming we didn't, was there no chance of signing a more experienced/physical player on loan? And given he signed those three whats the point when he clearly thinks they're not good enough/ready yet?

We supposedly were signing Guti until Megson left, now would that not have potentially been a better loan? Someone with some top level experience? Not saying he'd have been ideal and probably wouldn't have been on my list, but the three we got I knew wouldn't cut it in a relegation battle, it was obvious, and thats why they're not playing now according to Dearden.

Question is why did Coyle not realise this?

In fairness, it's been 6 games since Weiss signed, and less for the other two. To say it's slightly early to be writing them all off as lightweight shirkers is something of an understatement. We're not blessed with time, but we can't expect miracles either. Djorkaeff and Bobic didn't exactly hit the ground running either.

Generally, I think if managers have cash, they spend it. Coyle risked so much upping sticks and coming here that I don't think there's a chance he'd be so assured of our safety that he just wouldn't bother spending his huge pile of cash. So no, I don't actually think there was any money there.

And in those 6 games he's hardly had any playing time, Bang on Tom I agree with all you are saying there.
I'm well and truly in the what the hell they here for if they're not going to play a bigger part camp? Got to be better than Megsons Shire horses!!!