Megson to Hull??

[Worthy4England]

You said that given the choice when we sacked Sammy Lee, you might've picked Dowie. That's fine, but that was 2 and 1/2 years ago. In that time, Megson has had a fairly succesful time here, while Dowie has been sacked three times, including failing miserably to keep Newcastle up.

If you still think Dowie is better than Megson now, then.......... ok, I guess.

In that time, Megson had significant investment. His record was fairly poor - win rate of under 30%, but marginally better than one point per game overall which might seem like good value from £40m of investment.

Dowie - with Coventry City had a win rate of 40%

On the QPR Manager merry-go-round, he had them in 9th after 15 games with a win rate of 53% - not that you should take into account, they're on their 15th manager since Feb 2006 - That's 4 a season, but does include caretakers. Of all the people who have managed QPR in that time, Dowie's record is significantly better than anyone elses.

At Newcastle, he was Assistant Manager to Shearer.

[Hoboh]

We are saving the "ginger one" for West Ham

£1,000,000 for Megson? that would be the best deal in history!!!!

[Brian Trousers]

Noticed Wanderers' former first team coach has been brought in too.

Deep defending ahoy!

[BWFC_Insane]

Christ. I've always thought Dowie SHOULD be a decent manager he talks a good game and seems personable enough.

But it just never seems to pan out that way.

Perhaps it will work for him at Hull? Who knows.

But its a fairly desperate appointment especially when quite rightly, Megson was above Dowie on the list but you couldn't get him.

I think Burnley and Hull's situation puts the Megson appointment in a bit of perspective. We've done well to get Coyle but there aren't many good managers out there just waiting to manage a club struggling at the wrong end of the premiership.

[Lord Kangana]

It puts it into the "thank f*ck its them not us choosing between Dowie and Megson" perspective for me.

[seanworth]

It puts it into the "thank f*ck its them not us choosing between Dowie and Megson" perspective for me.

[Puskas]

I think Burnley and Hull's situation puts the Megson appointment in a bit of perspective. We've done well to get Coyle but there aren't many good managers out there just waiting to manage a club struggling at the wrong end of the premiership.

Hmmm.... I think they would have had more interest had they got shut of Browny earlier - at the moment, the new man will not have enough time to turn things round. And Hull may will go into administration if they go down, so it's hardly a good long-term move.

The proven "good" managers all have jobs. That's why they're proven. So you're left with "up-and-coming" managers (who are always going to be a gamble) or the same old names, who have experience, and maybe some success, but also failure (hence why they're not in work).

I suspect a lot of younger managers outside the premier league would jump at the chance to manage a struggling Prem club, as it's a step up.

[BWFC_Insane]

It puts it into the "thank f*ck its them not us choosing between Dowie and Megson" perspective for me.

Well yes, its kind of the point I'm making.

And Megson was their choice above Dowie but they couldn't get him!!!

Megson kept us up and then solidified us, probably kept on half a season too long but lets face it if Coyle keeps us up this year and then progresses us, we will all be happy and whilst Megson's reign may have caused unrest it did at least put us somewhere where we could get someone like Coyle in!

[Worthy4England]

It puts it into the "thank f*ck its them not us choosing between Dowie and Megson" perspective for me.

Well yes, its kind of the point I'm making.

And Megson was their choice above Dowie but they couldn't get him!!!

Megson kept us up and then solidified us, probably kept on half a season too long but lets face it if Coyle keeps us up this year and then progresses us, we will all be happy and whilst Megson's reign may have caused unrest it did at least put us somewhere where we could get someone like Coyle in!

How, pray tell, do you know that?

[Lord Kangana]

Mums know everything.

[BWFC_Insane]

It puts it into the "thank f*ck its them not us choosing between Dowie and Megson" perspective for me.

Well yes, its kind of the point I'm making.

And Megson was their choice above Dowie but they couldn't get him!!!

Megson kept us up and then solidified us, probably kept on half a season too long but lets face it if Coyle keeps us up this year and then progresses us, we will all be happy and whilst Megson's reign may have caused unrest it did at least put us somewhere where we could get someone like Coyle in!

How, pray tell, do you know that?

Widely reported.

Seems likely. Their chairman confirmed they went through a list of "possibilities" and when asked during the process directly about Megson would not confirm or deny, yet ruled Curbs out!

[Worthy4England]

It puts it into the "thank f*ck its them not us choosing between Dowie and Megson" perspective for me.

Well yes, its kind of the point I'm making.

And Megson was their choice above Dowie but they couldn't get him!!!

Megson kept us up and then solidified us, probably kept on half a season too long but lets face it if Coyle keeps us up this year and then progresses us, we will all be happy and whilst Megson's reign may have caused unrest it did at least put us somewhere where we could get someone like Coyle in!

How, pray tell, do you know that?

Widely reported.

Seems likely. Their chairman confirmed they went through a list of "possibilities" and when asked during the process directly about Megson would not confirm or deny, yet ruled Curbs out!

That doesn't mean Megson was higher up the pecking order than Dowie just that he hadn't ruled himself out. He probably ruled Curbs out coz Curbs had said fk off.

You're making it up.

[Tombwfc]

You said that given the choice when we sacked Sammy Lee, you might've picked Dowie. That's fine, but that was 2 and 1/2 years ago. In that time, Megson has had a fairly succesful time here, while Dowie has been sacked three times, including failing miserably to keep Newcastle up.

If you still think Dowie is better than Megson now, then.......... ok, I guess.

In that time, Megson had significant investment. His record was fairly poor - win rate of under 30%, but marginally better than one point per game overall which might seem like good value from £40m of investment.

Dowie - with Coventry City had a win rate of 40%

On the QPR Manager merry-go-round, he had them in 9th after 15 games with a win rate of 53% - not that you should take into account, they're on their 15th manager since Feb 2006 - That's 4 a season, but does include caretakers. Of all the people who have managed QPR in that time, Dowie's record is significantly better than anyone elses.

At Newcastle, he was Assistant Manager to Shearer.

They've only given him a deal until the end of the season, so presumably they're not that arsed how fairly decent-ish he is in the Championship.

Megson only had real money to spend after he'd kept us up. Before then, Megson only spent some of the money we'd got for Anelka. Maybe if Newcastle, Palace or Charlton survived (or in the case of the latter, looked like doing when they fecked him off), he'd have had some money to spend (though IIRC he spent two seasons worth of transfer budget at Charlton).

You've still not said who'd you'd have appointed if you were making the decision now.

[Worthy4England]

You said that given the choice when we sacked Sammy Lee, you might've picked Dowie. That's fine, but that was 2 and 1/2 years ago. In that time, Megson has had a fairly succesful time here, while Dowie has been sacked three times, including failing miserably to keep Newcastle up.

If you still think Dowie is better than Megson now, then.......... ok, I guess.

In that time, Megson had significant investment. His record was fairly poor - win rate of under 30%, but marginally better than one point per game overall which might seem like good value from £40m of investment.

Dowie - with Coventry City had a win rate of 40%

On the QPR Manager merry-go-round, he had them in 9th after 15 games with a win rate of 53% - not that you should take into account, they're on their 15th manager since Feb 2006 - That's 4 a season, but does include caretakers. Of all the people who have managed QPR in that time, Dowie's record is significantly better than anyone elses.

At Newcastle, he was Assistant Manager to Shearer.

They've only given him a deal until the end of the season, so presumably they're not that arsed how fairly decent-ish he is in the Championship.

Megson only had real money to spend after he'd kept us up. Before then, Megson only spent some of the money we'd got for Anelka. Maybe if Newcastle, Palace or Charlton survived (or in the case of the latter, looked like doing when they fecked him off), he'd have had some money to spend (though IIRC he spent two seasons worth of transfer budget at Charlton).

You've still not said who'd you'd have appointed if you were making the decision now.

When we appointed Mesgon, quite honestly, I'd have struggled to get a fag paper between the differences I saw between him and Dowie.

He spent a few bob in that first January transfer window (albeit out of the Anelka money) - Cahill, Steiner, Taylor, Cohen were the best part of £13m which is more than I can ever remembering any previous Bolton Manager spending at one go.

Now, I would without a doubt appoint Dowie on the grounds he isn't Megson. The more the team moved away from the one he inherited, the poorer it seemed to become (and at significant cost) I would however rather hope not being put in the position where the only two candidates were Megson and Dowie.

[William the White]

Now, I would without a doubt appoint Dowie on the grounds he isn't Megson. The more the team moved away from the one he inherited, the poorer it seemed to become (and at significant cost) I would however rather hope not being put in the position where the only two candidates were Megson and Dowie.

Worthy says it for me!!!

[CAPSLOCK]

Jussi
JOB, AOB, Meite, Samuel
Stelios, Speed, Nolan, Diouf
Davies, Anelka

This was the team he inherited...from memory, so you may need to correct it

It had got 5 points from 10 games, yet you reckon it was better than the one we have now?

Aye, alreet

Of the six forward players, 2 were all but finished, one was an unreliable - talented - cockend, the captain was abused in most matches he played, Davies was Davies and Anelka wanted out

Its hardly any surprise Megsons spending was greater than any previous manager as our income/sales were greater, too...Granted he didn't buy Anelka, but his legacy could be of two young players who may just push that record sale a little higher

[Worthy4England]

Just remind me at what point we were talking exclusively about whether this current team is better than the one Megson inherited - I must've missed that bit. We were talking about whether I'd rather Dowie than Megson today.

Did we need to change some personnel - certainly. I don't buy the "team was crap because it had 5 points from 10 games under Sammy Lee". Not true.

We did the next 11 games (between Megson coming in and his first January signing making an appearance) with the same team getting up to 20 points from 21 games - so 15 points from 11 league games, which would net you 51 points over a season - so only 5 points short of the season before when we qualified for Europe. All that whislt we're still competing in the UEFA Cup.

We then finished the season on 37 points from 38 games, so after the first batch of signings had started to incorporate themselves, we accumulated 17 points in the final 17 games.

Season later we spend a shed-load more and get 41 points from 38 games - no major complaints from me - dire football but reasonably safe, a reasonably a long way off the end of the season.

Then we spend a shedload more and Megson leaves after 18 games with 18 points on the board.

His best patch of management in terms of points return was when he just took over with the aging squad and before he made any of his own signings in the first January.

Do I think he made some good signings - yes.

Would I have expected him to make some good signings given the level of investment he had - yes.

Was the level of income/sales that much higher that it merited the huge increase in level of investment - probably no.

Is he a good manager - not on your nelly.

[CAPSLOCK]

Just remind me at what point we were talking exclusively about whether this current team is better than the one Megson inherited

You said we got worse as time went by

Just thowt I'd put you right

you can carry on with your other ramblings, now

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Just remind me at what point we were talking exclusively about whether this current team is better than the one Megson inherited - I must've missed that bit.

Now, I would without a doubt appoint Dowie on the grounds he isn't Megson. The more the team moved away from the one he inherited, the poorer it seemed to become (and at significant cost) I would however rather hope not being put in the position where the only two candidates were Megson and Dowie.

You made the point and that's the one Caps has chosen to pick up on.

Remind me when we ever talked 'exclusively' about anything...

[Worthy4England]

Just remind me at what point we were talking exclusively about whether this current team is better than the one Megson inherited

You said we got worse as time went by

Just thowt I'd put you right

you can carry on with your other ramblings, now

But you haven't put me right.

Allardyce team under Allardyce management - 56 points from 38 games - 1.47 points per game

Predominantly Allardyce team under Lee's management - 5 points from 10 games - 0.5 points per game

Predominantly Allardyce team under Megson's management - 15 points from 11 games - 1.36 points per game

Rest of Megson's tenure with increasing volumes of Megson signings - 76 points from 73 games - 1.04 points per game

Worse as time goes by.

You can carry on with your incorrect assertions that "you've put me right" now.