Megson to Hull??

[Worthy4England]

Just remind me at what point we were talking exclusively about whether this current team is better than the one Megson inherited - I must've missed that bit.

Now, I would without a doubt appoint Dowie on the grounds he isn't Megson. The more the team moved away from the one he inherited, the poorer it seemed to become (and at significant cost) I would however rather hope not being put in the position where the only two candidates were Megson and Dowie.

You made the point and that's the one Caps has chosen to pick up on.

Remind me when we ever talked 'exclusively' about anything...

Who bloody asked you to chip in?

Remind me where I said we ever talked "exclusively" about anything. I asked the question as to when my ramblings as CAPS (probably correctly) asserts became a conversation regarding whether the team Megson inherited was better than the one we have now? Rather than the conversation that Tom was having as to whether I would pick Dowie instead of Megson now.

[BWFC_Insane]

That doesn't mean Megson was higher up the pecking order than Dowie just that he hadn't ruled himself out. He probably ruled Curbs out coz Curbs had said fk off.

You're making it up.

It was widely reported that Megson, Venables, Hughes and Avram Grant were all above Dowie on the wishlist of Adam Pearson.

Hughes didn't want it.

Grant wouldn't leave Pompey.

Venables was just a daft idea full stop.

Megson would have to give up his money from us which presumably he wasn't going to for 9 games and was in hospital

Which led them to Dowie. I know a couple of Hull fans and rather like Gartside Adam Pearson had spoken very highly of Megson in the past and wanted him at Hull previously but was unable to get him.

[Worthy4England]

That doesn't mean Megson was higher up the pecking order than Dowie just that he hadn't ruled himself out. He probably ruled Curbs out coz Curbs had said fk off.

You're making it up.

It was widely reported that Megson, Venables, Hughes and Avram Grant were all above Dowie on the wishlist of Adam Pearson.

Hughes didn't want it.

Grant wouldn't leave Pompey.

Venables was just a daft idea full stop.

Megson would have to give up his money from us which presumably he wasn't going to for 9 games and was in hospital

Which led them to Dowie. I know a couple of Hull fans and rather like Gartside Adam Pearson had spoken very highly of Megson in the past and wanted him at Hull previously but was unable to get him.

I'm not buying this "widely reported" thing. Since when did we believe everything we read?

I don't believe your "couple of Hull fans" would have been privy to the order (from most important to least important) that Pearson had the candidates written on the fax in his pocket.

It's pure speculation - which doesn't make it untrue, but nor does it make it true either.

[Tombwfc]

He spent a few bob in that first January transfer window (albeit out of the Anelka money) - Cahill, Steiner, Taylor, Cohen were the best part of £13m which is more than I can ever remembering any previous Bolton Manager spending at one go.

During that transfer window we lost £15mil worth of talent and replaced it with £13mil (and if you believe some on here, we spent that money on a good centre half, a right back who can't defend, an absolute shitcunt of a pathetic excuse for a footballer, and Rasiak).

Managers who've spent more than £2mil net in a transfer window include Gary Megson, Big Sam (roughly £10mil for Meite and Anelka in 2006) and Iain Dowie. Dowie, who took over from Alan Curbishley, spent £10.9mil net and then left 12 games into the season with them bottom of the league.

Just remind me at what point we were talking exclusively about whether this current team is better than the one Megson inherited

You said we got worse as time went by

Just thowt I'd put you right

you can carry on with your other ramblings, now

But you haven't put me right.

Allardyce team under Allardyce management - 56 points from 38 games - 1.47 points per game

Predominantly Allardyce team under Lee's management - 5 points from 10 games - 0.5 points per game

Predominantly Allardyce team under Megson's management - 15 points from 11 games - 1.36 points per game

Rest of Megson's tenure with increasing volumes of Megson signings - 76 points from 73 games - 1.04 points per game

Worse as time goes by.

You can carry on with your incorrect assertions that "you've put me right" now.

If you're prepared to selectively edit different parts of his tenure, then yes you're right.

In the 11 games between 5th October and 13th December 2008 we got 16 points. During this run the team was made up of 8 players who arrived post-Allardyce (Samuel, AOB, Steinsson, Cahill, McCann, Muamba, Taylor and Elmander).

[Lord Kangana]

I may have missed it, but has anyone mentioned we're well rid of Megson because he was a c*unt?

[Worthy4England]

If you're prepared to selectively edit different parts of his tenure, then yes you're right.

In the 11 games between 5th October and 13th December 2008 we got 16 points. During this run the team was made up of 8 players who arrived post-Allardyce (Samuel, AOB, Steinsson, Cahill, McCann, Muamba, Taylor and Elmander).

A reasonable point. But CAPS contention that the squad he inherited was only as good as 5 points from 10 games, I think is wrong, they were poorly managed by Lee during that time and as a team were probably better than that, as they showed when Megson took them over that they were capable of more.

Either way, I'll keep it to seasons (or parts of seasons that Megson was in charge.)

Prior to Megson taking charge, we had a team that was capable of 56 points in 38 games the season before Megson took over.

Megson managed to accumulate in his first season 32 points from 28 games. 1.14 points each game.

In his second season he managed 41 from 38 games - 1.07 points each game

In his third season he managed 18 points from 18 games - 1.00 point each game.

I'd be delighted to understand how that's improving? Somehow it's passed me be.

Oh and he spent shitloads too - did I mention that?

[Worthy4England]

I may have missed it, but has anyone mentioned we're well rid of Megson because he was a c*unt?

Maybe I've gone a bit of a long way round in heading towards that particular point - I might get to it sometime tomorrow.

[Lord Kangana]

The way you put it makes him sound good.

He spent £40m whilst dismantling a team that were considered no good, whilst slowly accruing less points per game as time went on.

And I'm sure somebody mentioned he was a c*nt earlier on. Either way, those who understand football understand why he's still on the dole.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

The visceral, personal hatred of Megson has always baffled me. I mean, he's not my cup of tea, but I don't understand why people feel and express themselves so strongly.

[Lord Kangana]

Pin a picture of Gordon Brown on him. You'll soon get the picture.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Pin a picture of Gordon Brown on him. You'll soon get the picture.

I have no strong personal feelings against Brown whatsoever - the comparison is actually a pretty good one actually. On some days I actually feel sorry for them both for being hammered for not being the smooth pin up boys that the modern world demands.

[Worthy4England]

The visceral, personal hatred of Megson has always baffled me. I mean, he's not my cup of tea, but I don't understand why people feel and express themselves so strongly.

Got to say I don't come at it from that angle Mummy.

He might have made us some decent signings (at a cost although high for Bolton is probably reasonable within the market)

He does seem to have managed to raise the wage bill quite significantly too though, as a proportion of income.

Maybe the scouting network he put in place is/was a good thing.

That to me might (and I'm not 100% sure) make him reasonable as a scout.

Doesn't mean he personally had the remotest clue as to how to manage the "talent" he bought into a point generating outfit.

I'm sure Sammy Lee was a good coach - I'm equally as sure he wasn't very good when he tried his hand at management.

Either way, we've had our turn. It's someone elses now.

[CAPSLOCK]

Picking on bits in isolation, as I like doing...

Sammy Lee a good coach...I'm not sure the evidence supports that?

I've never checked, but did we not do better under Browns coaching?

And Liverpool aren't breaking any pots

Just a thought, cos I'm not sure when Lee arived

[BWFC_Insane]

Picking on bits in isolation, as I like doing...

Sammy Lee a good coach...I'm not sure the evidence supports that?

I've never checked, but did we not do better under Browns coaching?
And Liverpool aren't breaking any pots

Just a thought, cos I'm not sure when Lee arived

Thats certainly my "impression" based on nowt scientific.

[Worthy4England]

Picking on bits in isolation, as I like doing...

Sammy Lee a good coach...I'm not sure the evidence supports that?

I've never checked, but did we not do better under Browns coaching?
And Liverpool aren't breaking any pots

Just a thought, cos I'm not sure when Lee arived

Thats certainly my "impression" based on nowt scientific.

Could be right - frankly can't be arsed looking it up.

[Lord Kangana]

Pin a picture of Gordon Brown on him. You'll soon get the picture.

I have no strong personal feelings against Brown whatsoever - the comparison is actually a pretty good one actually. On some days I actually feel sorry for them both for being hammered for not being the smooth pin up boys that the modern world demands.

My bad, I'm getting mixed up with Obama.

[ebby]

i'm so glad we got megson and not dowie a couple of years back

[ratbert]

Most people didn't understand why Megson was appointed due to his record. A mediocre journeyman manager with 'rustic' ideas of how football should be played, turning up at Premier League club spoiled by unexpected success, was never going to go down well from the start.

[Hoboh]

The visceral, personal hatred of Megson has always baffled me. I mean, he's not my cup of tea, but I don't understand why people feel and express themselves so strongly.

Don't go out on the night of the revolution then mummy

Pay back is messy.

[tony cunninghams willy]

So, in a nutshell, it is right to conclude the following:

1. Megson is a shit manager

2. Dowie is a shit manager

3. Hull are doomed

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