What are you watching tonight?

[CAPSLOCK]

I know it's not clever to throw stones in one

[thebish]

I know it's not clever to throw stones in one

smart lad.

but it's fine if you've already smashed all the windows out to give you a clear shot.

I'll happily throw metaphorical stones at anyone or any institution that knowingly and systemically covers up the sexual abuse of (allegedly) 200 or so deaf schoolchildren. If it is a church - I am not inclined to take your advice, keep quiet and join the cover-up in order to stop any fallout spreading across the wider church - that would be wrong.

you can sit snug and warm in your cosy glasshouse without fear of a draught through a broken window and say nothing if you like.

[TANGODANCER]

I know it's not clever to throw stones in one

smart lad.

but it's fine if you've already smashed all the windows out to give you a clear shot.

I'll happily throw metaphorical stones at anyone or any institution that knowingly and systemically covers up the sexual abuse of (allegedly) 200 or so deaf schoolchildren. If it is a church - I am not inclined to take your advice, keep quiet and join the cover-up in order to stop any fallout spreading across the wider church - that would be wrong.

you can sit snug and warm in your cosy glasshouse without fear of a draught through a broken window and say nothing if you like.

I'm a Christian and a Catholic. I wouldn't attempt to defend the Pope against sexual abuse on children. That said, how many outside religion do the same thing and just don't get the publicity? Brush-tarring has been a favourite occupation for a long time, so has stone-throwing. "Let he who is without sin"..etc.

[thebish]

I know it's not clever to throw stones in one

smart lad.

but it's fine if you've already smashed all the windows out to give you a clear shot.

I'll happily throw metaphorical stones at anyone or any institution that knowingly and systemically covers up the sexual abuse of (allegedly) 200 or so deaf schoolchildren. If it is a church - I am not inclined to take your advice, keep quiet and join the cover-up in order to stop any fallout spreading across the wider church - that would be wrong.

you can sit snug and warm in your cosy glasshouse without fear of a draught through a broken window and say nothing if you like.

I'm a Christian and a Catholic. I wouldn't attempt to defend the Pope against sexual abuse on children. That said, how many outside religion do the same thing and just don't get the publicity? Brush-tarring has been a favourite occupation for a long time, so has stone-throwing. "Let he who is without sin"..etc.

do you really think that means we should not speak out against the catholic church in this matter? is that what Jesus meant? (I very much doubt it)

plenty of paedophiles outside religion are tracked down and locked up. (social workers from childrens homes in the 50s and 60s for instance) the church should have no special status - and neither should the pope.

the difference here is that this is not just a "few bad apples" scenario - it is institutional - from the highest levels of the catholic church it is known about - and it is covered up - and known paedophile priests are shipped out of parishes to continue their crimes elsewhere - and the children they have abused are bribed and threatened into keeping quiet.

so - i'm not asking you to chuck any metaphorical stones - you can opt for a shard-free life with CAPS in his cosy glasshouse. But I will.

[TANGODANCER]

Just read the first line of my post Bish. Nothing more need be said.

[William the White]

I know it's not clever to throw stones in one

smart lad.

but it's fine if you've already smashed all the windows out to give you a clear shot.

I'll happily throw metaphorical stones at anyone or any institution that knowingly and systemically covers up the sexual abuse of (allegedly) 200 or so deaf schoolchildren. If it is a church - I am not inclined to take your advice, keep quiet and join the cover-up in order to stop any fallout spreading across the wider church - that would be wrong.

you can sit snug and warm in your cosy glasshouse without fear of a draught through a broken window and say nothing if you like.

I'm a Christian and a Catholic. I wouldn't attempt to defend the Pope against sexual abuse on children. That said, how many outside religion do the same thing and just don't get the publicity? Brush-tarring has been a favourite occupation for a long time, so has stone-throwing. "Let he who is without sin"..etc.

Can you name the other institutions or occupations where this happens systemically and they are able, for decades, to condone it by covering it up and frightening children into silence?

Is it, say, bus drivers, or posties, or centre lathe turners, who do this and 'don't get the publicity'...

You think you are not 'defending' - and maybe you aren't - but you are certainly having a go at deflecting. That's what your faith has led you to. Pity.

[Worthy4England]

As a Catholic, I'm appalled.

These people should be on a fast track to meet their God early. It's obviously a different person than they told me about.

I agree with WtW that there is a particular problem here with one very specific sector of society. Even if we count all the priests and the incidence rate happened to be no more than the rest of society, it still doesn't make it any better.

That said WtW, bus drivers, posties and/or central lathe turners generally don't have children to collectively look after as part of their day jobs so I don't accept that as a good comparison.

Now if you wanted to compare with groups related to Child Care, there's been a good few cases recently that are no less abhorrent.

These people should be excommunicated.

[General Mannerheim]

yawn - so what are you watching tonight?

[Worthy4England]

yawn - so what are you watching tonight?

Young boys bottoms, from my pulpit?

[TANGODANCER]

I know it's not clever to throw stones in one

smart lad.

but it's fine if you've already smashed all the windows out to give you a clear shot.

I'll happily throw metaphorical stones at anyone or any institution that knowingly and systemically covers up the sexual abuse of (allegedly) 200 or so deaf schoolchildren. If it is a church - I am not inclined to take your advice, keep quiet and join the cover-up in order to stop any fallout spreading across the wider church - that would be wrong.

you can sit snug and warm in your cosy glasshouse without fear of a draught through a broken window and say nothing if you like.

I'm a Christian and a Catholic. I wouldn't attempt to defend the Pope against sexual abuse on children. That said, how many outside religion do the same thing and just don't get the publicity? Brush-tarring has been a favourite occupation for a long time, so has stone-throwing. "Let he who is without sin"..etc.

Can you name the other institutions or occupations where this happens systemically and they are able, for decades, to condone it by covering it up and frightening children into silence?

Is it, say, bus drivers, or posties, or centre lathe turners, who do this and 'don't get the publicity'...

You think you are not 'defending' - and maybe you aren't - but you are certainly having a go at deflecting. That's what your faith has led you to. Pity.

Just read the first line of my post WTW. Nothing more need be said.

[William the White]

yawn - so what are you watching tonight?

Young boys bottoms, from my pulpit?

Coming soon, to a choir stall near you... Men in Frocks...

[Worthy4England]

yawn - so what are you watching tonight?

Young boys bottoms, from my pulpit?

Coming soon, to a choir stall near you... Men in Frocks...

[thebish]

Just read the first line of my post Bish. Nothing more need be said.

you don't have to say anything else - your choice - but please don't expect others not to.

yes - you began your post by saying you "wouldn't attempt to defend the pope against sexual abuse on children" (I should point out that nobody is accusing the pope of sexually abusing children)

I would hope that this would go without saying - who WOULD defend anyone for such things?

BUT

you then go on to suggest - with a bible quote - that we should all shut up about it and not speak out against it because none of us is without sin.

that's where I wholeheartedly and completely disagree. I will NOT shut up about the catholic church (or any other organisation for that matter) systematically and institutionally condoning abuse as they do.

I have no doubt whatsoever that you are a good man Tango, I have no reason to suppose otherwise,

but as Edmund Burke is reported to have said...

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do [and say] nothing.’

[TANGODANCER]

I'm quite sure you culd make a debate about someone wishing you "Good Morning" Bish. I'd suggest you start a thread so as not to spoil this one or take from its topic. "Good Morning".

[thebish]

I'm quite sure you culd make a debate about someone wishing you "Good Morning" Bish. I'd suggest you start a thread so as not to spoil this one or take from its topic. "Good Morning".

i really don't know why it is that you enter debates at all only to throw such a hissy when anyone cares to analyse or question your contribution.. anyway - i will debate your "good morning" post - it's long past morning - it's afternoon now.

[superjohnmcginlay]

I've always wondered what was so good about mornings, 'cos theyre usually pretty shit.

[thebish]

has tango used some kind of moderatorial powers to edit and distort my post? if so - i don't approve.

[ratbert]

So, back on topic, I got the original series of Edge of Darkness on DVD the other day. A gripping series still relevant 25 years later.

[General Mannerheim]

just watched that 'Precious: Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire' blimey, cheered me up a treat

pretty bleak, dark and brutal - kind of an American 'Nil by Mouth' but certainly worthy of all its accolades!

On the way home from London yesterday i watched the first Red Riding episode for the first time, quality! so got the others of that to go at, but think im gonna watch that Invictus now.

[hisroyalgingerness]

Hurt Locker. Was good