Celtic - What the hell were they thinking?!

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Celtic - What the hell were they thinking?!

Post by H. Pedersen » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:52 am

"Hey, let's bring in the guy who finished bottom of the Premier League last season. After all, he plays football the right way!"

4-0 loss to St. Mirren, 10 points behind Rangers (who have two games in hand) . . . my God Mowbray is a sack of crap.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:58 am

H. Pedersen wrote:"Hey, let's bring in the guy who finished bottom of the Premier League last season. After all, he plays football the right way!"

4-0 loss to St. Mirren, 10 points behind Rangers (who have two games in hand) . . . my God Mowbray is a sack of crap.
Whilst I don't think Mowbray is any good, I don't think judging managerial ability by the position their team finishes in the league is sensible in any way at all, unless you're about 6 years old!

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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:38 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
H. Pedersen wrote:"Hey, let's bring in the guy who finished bottom of the Premier League last season. After all, he plays football the right way!"

4-0 loss to St. Mirren, 10 points behind Rangers (who have two games in hand) . . . my God Mowbray is a sack of crap.
Whilst I don't think Mowbray is any good, I don't think judging managerial ability by the position their team finishes in the league is sensible in any way at all, unless you're about 6 years old!
But.

In a "two horse race", finishing second isn't very good...I'm not sure you can point to any distinct advantage Rangers have over Celtic (twice as much cash etc.). It's a poor, poor performance by Mowbray which ever angle you come at it from.

And getting stuffed 4-0 by a team that's in the junior race, when you're in the senior one isn't very good.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:40 am

Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
H. Pedersen wrote:"Hey, let's bring in the guy who finished bottom of the Premier League last season. After all, he plays football the right way!"

4-0 loss to St. Mirren, 10 points behind Rangers (who have two games in hand) . . . my God Mowbray is a sack of crap.
Whilst I don't think Mowbray is any good, I don't think judging managerial ability by the position their team finishes in the league is sensible in any way at all, unless you're about 6 years old!
But.

In a "two horse race", finishing second isn't very good...I'm not sure you can point to any distinct advantage Rangers have over Celtic (twice as much cash etc.). It's a poor, poor performance by Mowbray which ever angle you come at it from.

And getting stuffed 4-0 by a team that's in the junior race, when you're in the senior one isn't very good.
I was referring to the "bottom of the premiership" comment re West Brom!

I don't think he's any good but I don't think that is necessarily a measure.

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Post by Horza » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:56 pm

Why don't you people understand? Mowbray gets his teams to Play Football The Right Way. Defending is a nasty, negative exercise for ugly, results-oriented automatons who can't comprehend the beautiful game. Mowbray should be applauded, like at West Brom for not letting the beautiful, flowing, one-touch game we all know and love be stultified and crippled by earthly concerns like results.

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Post by ratbert » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:54 pm

Gordon Strachan and Graeme Souness showed that a mediocre managerial record in England need not be a handicap where the mediocre SPL is concerned.

Hey, even Meggo might win one of the Old Firm a title or two. Or is that taking a statement too far? :? 8)

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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:17 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
H. Pedersen wrote:"Hey, let's bring in the guy who finished bottom of the Premier League last season. After all, he plays football the right way!"

4-0 loss to St. Mirren, 10 points behind Rangers (who have two games in hand) . . . my God Mowbray is a sack of crap.
Whilst I don't think Mowbray is any good, I don't think judging managerial ability by the position their team finishes in the league is sensible in any way at all, unless you're about 6 years old!
But.

In a "two horse race", finishing second isn't very good...I'm not sure you can point to any distinct advantage Rangers have over Celtic (twice as much cash etc.). It's a poor, poor performance by Mowbray which ever angle you come at it from.

And getting stuffed 4-0 by a team that's in the junior race, when you're in the senior one isn't very good.
I was referring to the "bottom of the premiership" comment re West Brom!

I don't think he's any good but I don't think that is necessarily a measure.
I would have thought that realtive team success might be some sort of indicator of managerial ability, though perhaps not the only one. And I'm a little older than six... :wink:
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Post by rockthereebok » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:22 pm

Well, the Celtic board and fans will have plenty of time to think about their mistakes now... I wonder who they'll get in next? As this Premier League football blog shows Gareth Southgate is still out of a job...

To be honest, I can't think of an appointment that would make me laugh more...

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:28 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
H. Pedersen wrote:"Hey, let's bring in the guy who finished bottom of the Premier League last season. After all, he plays football the right way!"

4-0 loss to St. Mirren, 10 points behind Rangers (who have two games in hand) . . . my God Mowbray is a sack of crap.
Whilst I don't think Mowbray is any good, I don't think judging managerial ability by the position their team finishes in the league is sensible in any way at all, unless you're about 6 years old!
But.

In a "two horse race", finishing second isn't very good...I'm not sure you can point to any distinct advantage Rangers have over Celtic (twice as much cash etc.). It's a poor, poor performance by Mowbray which ever angle you come at it from.

And getting stuffed 4-0 by a team that's in the junior race, when you're in the senior one isn't very good.
I was referring to the "bottom of the premiership" comment re West Brom!

I don't think he's any good but I don't think that is necessarily a measure.
I would have thought that realtive team success might be some sort of indicator of managerial ability, though perhaps not the only one. And I'm a little older than six... :wink:
Had Coyle finished bottom of the league this season with Burnley would that make him a "bad manager"?

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:33 pm

Oh and Mowbray has gone.

Coyle 15-1 with some bookies for the job!

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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:36 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Montreal Wanderer wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote: Whilst I don't think Mowbray is any good, I don't think judging managerial ability by the position their team finishes in the league is sensible in any way at all, unless you're about 6 years old!
But.

In a "two horse race", finishing second isn't very good...I'm not sure you can point to any distinct advantage Rangers have over Celtic (twice as much cash etc.). It's a poor, poor performance by Mowbray which ever angle you come at it from.

And getting stuffed 4-0 by a team that's in the junior race, when you're in the senior one isn't very good.
I was referring to the "bottom of the premiership" comment re West Brom!

I don't think he's any good but I don't think that is necessarily a measure.
I would have thought that relative team success might be some sort of indicator of managerial ability, though perhaps not the only one. And I'm a little older than six... :wink:
Had Coyle finished bottom of the league this season with Burnley would that make him a "bad manager"?
Yes, given the state of Pompey. However, if he had avoided relegation (which was not that unlikely when he was there) it would have made him a good one. I did say relative (to resources, etc.) and a 16th place finish for example would be impressive. IMHO of course.
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Post by Tombwfc » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:48 pm

I'd feel sorry for anyone losing their job, but he's a fecking bellend.

Football martyr til the end.....
"Rangers have been very consistent - they haven't lost four goals in any game," said Mowbray.

"They set up differently - maybe that's the way to go.

"Maybe it isn't a league for trying to force the game and be expansive - maybe it is a league for playing defensive, negative football and having quality up front to counter-attack."
I said it when he was at West Brom and I'll say it again - any old tosser can get a side to pass it about and lose. There's absolutely nothing honourable about belligerently sticking with tactics that don't work in the name of some higher footballing ideal.

Maybe he'll learn from it, likely he won't.

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Post by Puskas » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:52 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Oh and Mowbray has gone.

Coyle 15-1 with some bookies for the job!

:shock:
Stick a tenner on that.

He is, after all, a Judas. Or so I'm told.
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Post by DJBlu » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:03 pm

Puskas wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Oh and Mowbray has gone.

Coyle 15-1 with some bookies for the job!

:shock:
Stick a tenner on that.

He is, after all, a Judas. Or so I'm told.
Worth a punt? We are still paying Megson so he'd come straight back in surely?

*This is a statement of jest not tempt of fate*

Latest odds

http://www.williamhillmedia.com/index_t ... file=14182

4/1 Paul Lambert, 4/1 Neil Lennon, 7/1 Mark Hughes, 9/1 Roy Keane, 10/1 Slavan Bilic, 12/1 Willie McStay, 14/1 David O'Leary, 14/1 Steve Clarke, 14/1 John Hughes, 14/1 Owen Coyle, 14/1 Mark McGhee, 14/1 Alan Curbishley, 16/1 Mick McCarthy, 16/1 Henrik Larsson, 16/1 John Collins, 20/1 Lubo Moravcik, 20/1 Brian Kerr, 25/1 Kenny Dalglish, 25/1 Avram Grant, 25/1 Roy Aitken, 25/1 Roberto Di Matteo, 25/1 George Burley, 25/1 Gordon Strachan, 25/1 Roberto Martinez, 33/1 Martin Jol, 33/1 Alan Irvine, 33/1 Billy Davies, 33/1 Paulo Di Canio, 33/1 Jo Jordan, 40/1 David Moyles, 40/1 Darren Ferguson, 40/1 Steve Staunton, 66/1 Csaba Lazsio, 100/1 Walter Smith, 100/1 Paul Le Guen, 200/1 Jon Barnes.


Made me chuckle

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Post by Puskas » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:18 pm

DJBlu wrote:
Puskas wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Oh and Mowbray has gone.

Coyle 15-1 with some bookies for the job!

:shock:
Stick a tenner on that.

He is, after all, a Judas. Or so I'm told.
Worth a punt? We are still paying Megson so he'd come straight back in surely?

*This is a statement of jest not tempt of fate*

Latest odds

http://www.williamhillmedia.com/index_t ... file=14182

4/1 Paul Lambert, 4/1 Neil Lennon, 7/1 Mark Hughes, 9/1 Roy Keane, 10/1 Slavan Bilic, 12/1 Willie McStay, 14/1 David O'Leary, 14/1 Steve Clarke, 14/1 John Hughes, 14/1 Owen Coyle, 14/1 Mark McGhee, 14/1 Alan Curbishley, 16/1 Mick McCarthy, 16/1 Henrik Larsson, 16/1 John Collins, 20/1 Lubo Moravcik, 20/1 Brian Kerr, 25/1 Kenny Dalglish, 25/1 Avram Grant, 25/1 Roy Aitken, 25/1 Roberto Di Matteo, 25/1 George Burley, 25/1 Gordon Strachan, 25/1 Roberto Martinez, 33/1 Martin Jol, 33/1 Alan Irvine, 33/1 Billy Davies, 33/1 Paulo Di Canio, 33/1 Jo Jordan, 40/1 David Moyles, 40/1 Darren Ferguson, 40/1 Steve Staunton, 66/1 Csaba Lazsio, 100/1 Walter Smith, 100/1 Paul Le Guen, 200/1 Jon Barnes.


Made me chuckle
What odds on Gary Megson?

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Post by thebish » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:04 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Had Coyle finished bottom of the league this season with Burnley would that make him a "bad manager"?
it would have made him a risky bet for Celtic....

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Post by Juewanderer » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:49 pm

Puskas wrote:
DJBlu wrote:
Puskas wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Oh and Mowbray has gone.

Coyle 15-1 with some bookies for the job!

:shock:
Stick a tenner on that.

He is, after all, a Judas. Or so I'm told.
Worth a punt? We are still paying Megson so he'd come straight back in surely?

*This is a statement of jest not tempt of fate*

Latest odds

http://www.williamhillmedia.com/index_t ... file=14182

4/1 Paul Lambert, 4/1 Neil Lennon, 7/1 Mark Hughes, 9/1 Roy Keane, 10/1 Slavan Bilic, 12/1 Willie McStay, 14/1 David O'Leary, 14/1 Steve Clarke, 14/1 John Hughes, 14/1 Owen Coyle, 14/1 Mark McGhee, 14/1 Alan Curbishley, 16/1 Mick McCarthy, 16/1 Henrik Larsson, 16/1 John Collins, 20/1 Lubo Moravcik, 20/1 Brian Kerr, 25/1 Kenny Dalglish, 25/1 Avram Grant, 25/1 Roy Aitken, 25/1 Roberto Di Matteo, 25/1 George Burley, 25/1 Gordon Strachan, 25/1 Roberto Martinez, 33/1 Martin Jol, 33/1 Alan Irvine, 33/1 Billy Davies, 33/1 Paulo Di Canio, 33/1 Jo Jordan, 40/1 David Moyles, 40/1 Darren Ferguson, 40/1 Steve Staunton, 66/1 Csaba Lazsio, 100/1 Walter Smith, 100/1 Paul Le Guen, 200/1 Jon Barnes.


Made me chuckle

What odds on Gary Megson?


They like gingers up there, I believe.

He's not even in the running but Tony Adams is!
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Post by Athers » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:32 pm

Tombwfc wrote:I'd feel sorry for anyone losing their job, but he's a fecking bellend.

Football martyr til the end.....
"Rangers have been very consistent - they haven't lost four goals in any game," said Mowbray.

"They set up differently - maybe that's the way to go.

"Maybe it isn't a league for trying to force the game and be expansive - maybe it is a league for playing defensive, negative football and having quality up front to counter-attack."
I said it when he was at West Brom and I'll say it again - any old tosser can get a side to pass it about and lose. There's absolutely nothing honourable about belligerently sticking with tactics that don't work in the name of some higher footballing ideal.

Maybe he'll learn from it, likely he won't.
This is a laugh, he talks like he's Rinus Michels or something.
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Post by hisroyalgingerness » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:32 pm

I'm glad he's failed. He failed with his footballing philosophy in the Prem, and it's failed in the easiest league in the world. He needs to get over it. He was hardly Mara-fecking-dona himself as a player.

And no, I've not forgiven his comments ahead of our game v West Brom last year. feck*.

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Post by Raven » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:51 pm

9/1 Roy Keane

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