The Politics Thread

[Puskas]

A few less is what "people" want oh and propper coppers, less forigners, people stopped getting owt for nowt, training that is usefull not shed loads of degrees and NVQ's in chocolate making, more nukes......................................................

I thought we wanted MORE Okochas and Stelioses and Campos and Djorkaeffs and Frandsens and Anelkas and Gudnis, not to mention, Taddy Novaks.....

They're not foreigners. Taddy was born in Doffcocker. Everyone knows this.

Next you'll be claiming that Clive Lloyd and Farokh Engineer weren't Lancastrians.

[William the White]

More nukes? The Cold War ended in 1991. Good grief

Hobo prefers hot wars with mushroom clouds and very, very heavy machine guns to sort out the foreigners and chocolate studiers...

[Hoboh]

More nukes? The Cold War ended in 1991. Good grief

Hobo prefers hot wars with mushroom clouds and very, very heavy machine guns to sort out the foreigners and chocolate studiers...

Actually hobo wonderswhat happened to the developement of the Nutron bomb? the one that merely cleared the way of undesirables but left buidings intact and inhabitable a bit quicker than 20,000 years.

Maybe its being devolped by media studies groups at our Uni's

[Prufrock]

Well Abbott snuck in there, literally at the last minute. Bishy did his thing on how he didn't like her but he couldn't understand why, and I completely understand. I should like her. She's pro civil liberties, pro diversity, isn't afraid of talking about immigration as a good thing, but for some reason I don't like her. I don't like the way she talks, she can be condescending, and also she hasn't got a hope in hell of becoming PM.

I wouldn't call myself a Labour man, but of the three major parties I'd say they're closest to what I am. My preference for the new leader, taking into account not only their own views, and the way they would lead the party, but also the fact they need to have a chance of actually being elected, would be:

Ed Miliband
David Miliband
Andy Burnham
Diane Abbott
Ed Balls

Also wht the hell can no-one use their real name anymore. Politicians aren't called 'Dave' and 'Ed', they're David and Edward. Stop trying to be cool. A. YOU AREN'T COOL, you're politicians and B. People don't want cool politicians, they want good ones.

A few less is what "people" want oh and propper coppers, less forigners, people stopped getting owt for nowt, training that is usefull not shed loads of degrees and NVQ's in chocolate making, more nukes......................................................

Got to agree here. Mick Jones (the shit one) was erm....shit. S'all about Journey. Until those Glee f*ckers sullied it anyway.

[William the White]

More nukes? The Cold War ended in 1991. Good grief

Hobo prefers hot wars with mushroom clouds and very, very heavy machine guns to sort out the foreigners and chocolate studiers...

Actually hobo wonderswhat happened to the developement of the Nutron bomb? the one that merely cleared the way of undesirables but left buidings intact and inhabitable a bit quicker than 20,000 years.

Maybe its being devolped by media studies groups at our Uni's

Be careful, nanny's got her hands on one and is thinking of visiting soon...

[Hoboh]

More nukes? The Cold War ended in 1991. Good grief

Hobo prefers hot wars with mushroom clouds and very, very heavy machine guns to sort out the foreigners and chocolate studiers...

Actually hobo wonderswhat happened to the developement of the Nutron bomb? the one that merely cleared the way of undesirables but left buidings intact and inhabitable a bit quicker than 20,000 years.

Maybe its being devolped by media studies groups at our Uni's

Be careful, nanny's got her hands on one and is thinking of visiting soon...

Ah you mean the silly "Acting leader of the opposition moo" who having just lost an election is more intrested in a man cull in any future labour governments cabinet?

The one who left to her devices will render the labour party unelectable again ever?

Or the same "nanny" who must be doing lots of Monica Lewinsky's with the union bosses to keep their block votes?

Why can she not chain herself suffrogette style to the Kings Cross - Edinbrugh line!!

[William the White]

More nukes? The Cold War ended in 1991. Good grief

Hobo prefers hot wars with mushroom clouds and very, very heavy machine guns to sort out the foreigners and chocolate studiers...

Actually hobo wonderswhat happened to the developement of the Nutron bomb? the one that merely cleared the way of undesirables but left buidings intact and inhabitable a bit quicker than 20,000 years.

Maybe its being devolped by media studies groups at our Uni's

Be careful, nanny's got her hands on one and is thinking of visiting soon...

Ah you mean the silly "Acting leader of the opposition moo" who having just lost an election is more intrested in a man cull in any future labour governments cabinet?

The one who left to her devices will render the labour party unelectable again ever?

Or the same "nanny" who must be doing lots of Monica Lewinsky's with the union bosses to keep their block votes?

Why can she not chain herself suffrogette style to the Kings Cross - Edinbrugh line!!

ssshhh... all this cage rattling will get you into troubble...

[CAPSLOCK]

Not sure if its politics or angry, but I note yon Lockerbie/Libyan is staging a Lazarus like recovery

[thebish]

Not sure if its politics or angry, but I note yon Lockerbie/Libyan is staging a Lazarus like recovery

as is Ronnie Biggs.... (he was supposed to have been at death's door in a coma with weeks to live...)

[Bruce Rioja]

Not sure if its politics or angry, but I note yon Lockerbie/Libyan is staging a Lazarus like recovery

as is Ronnie Biggs.... (he was supposed to have been at death's door in a coma with weeks to live...)

And as we know has been seen out jogging!

[Hoboh]

Not sure if its politics or angry, but I note yon Lockerbie/Libyan is staging a Lazarus like recovery

as is Ronnie Biggs.... (he was supposed to have been at death's door in a coma with weeks to live...)

And as we know has been seen out jogging!

Have we signed him yet? bigg name if he's fit

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Is there anyone who is prepared to argue that the 'Democracy Village' should not be moved off Parliament Square?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBi_SvDX3XM

Get the water cannons out. They could probably do with hosing down anyway.

I decided to have a walk around Democracy Village today. It really is a joke that we are letting these people take up permanent residence there. It should be a place where everyone can go and look at the public monuments to the likes of Churchill, Lloyd George, Lincoln, Mandela, Disraeli etc, and stand in a unique place in the heart of London in a square with the legislature (Houses of Parliament), judiciary (the new Supreme Court, executive (the Treasury) and the church (Westminster Abbey and St.Maragaret's church) on the four sides.

It's a pretty intimidating, not to mention pungent, environment, with the effect that everyone else has been robbed of this space.

I'm staggered by the legal arguments apparently involved, namely that only the Queen can assert property rights over the land. Surely if people tried to set up a similar camp in St Jame's Park or Hyde Park the would be moved on immediately - what's the difference here? Surely the right to protest cannot extend to a right of residence and exclusion of others.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/10311072.stm

[thebish]

Is there anyone who is prepared to argue that the 'Democracy Village' should not be moved off Parliament Square?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBi_SvDX3XM

Get the water cannons out. They could probably do with hosing down anyway.

I decided to have a walk around Democracy Village today. It really is a joke that we are letting these people take up permanent residence there. It should be a place where everyone can go and look at the public monuments to the likes of Churchill, Lloyd George, Lincoln, Mandela, Disraeli etc, and stand in a unique place in the heart of London in a square with the legislature (Houses of Parliament), judiciary (the new Supreme Court, executive (the Treasury) and the church (Westminster Abbey and St.Maragaret's church) on the four sides.

It's a pretty intimidating, not to mention pungent, environment, with the effect that everyone else has been robbed of this space.

I'm staggered by the legal arguments apparently involved, namely that only the Queen can assert property rights over the land. Surely if people tried to set up a similar camp in St Jame's Park or Hyde Park the would be moved on immediately - what's the difference here? Surely the right to protest cannot extend to a right of residence and exclusion of others.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/10311072.stm

whilst agreeing about a right of protest not being the same as a right of residence - I can't pretend to suggest an easy way forward as UK law is notoriously complex here!

however - it is taking it a bit far to suggest you have been "excluded" isn't it? you just said you went there and walked around after all...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

whilst agreeing about a right of protest not being the same as a right of residence - I can't pretend to suggest an easy way forward as UK law is notoriously complex here!

however - it is taking it a bit far to suggest you have been "excluded" isn't it? you just said you went there and walked around after all...

I have to say I didn't realise it was so complex - I should have thought the authorities had a fairly well-established, er, authority to deal on the Queen's behalf. As I say, I can't imagine it would last very long if somebody tried to pitch a group of tents in St James's park.

Ok, perhaps 'exclusion' is a bit too strong, but I think that's how a lot of visitors to Parliament Square feel. I was the only one walking around (a) wearing shoes and (b) who had had a shower in the past week.

[thebish]

whilst agreeing about a right of protest not being the same as a right of residence - I can't pretend to suggest an easy way forward as UK law is notoriously complex here!

however - it is taking it a bit far to suggest you have been "excluded" isn't it? you just said you went there and walked around after all...

I have to say I didn't realise it was so complex - I should have thought the authorities had a fairly well-established, er, authority to deal on the Queen's behalf. As I say, I can't imagine it would last very long if somebody tried to pitch a group of tents in St James's park.

Ok, perhaps 'exclusion' is a bit too strong, but I think that's how a lot of visitors to Parliament Square feel. I was the only one walking around (a) wearing shoes and (b) who had had a shower in the past week.

if we define exclusion as having to share a public space with other people - or maybe more narrowly as having to share a public space with annoying people that are different to us - then I'm excluded from the whole of central London on account of the annoying americans plaguing the place!

[thebish]

Ed Miliband
David Miliband
Andy Burnham
Diane Abbott
Ed Balls

I'm not sure about this new balls... tends to fly off to the left at the last minute - too round I think (at altitude) and likely to be blamed for defeat....

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

whilst agreeing about a right of protest not being the same as a right of residence - I can't pretend to suggest an easy way forward as UK law is notoriously complex here!

however - it is taking it a bit far to suggest you have been "excluded" isn't it? you just said you went there and walked around after all...

I have to say I didn't realise it was so complex - I should have thought the authorities had a fairly well-established, er, authority to deal on the Queen's behalf. As I say, I can't imagine it would last very long if somebody tried to pitch a group of tents in St James's park.

Ok, perhaps 'exclusion' is a bit too strong, but I think that's how a lot of visitors to Parliament Square feel. I was the only one walking around (a) wearing shoes and (b) who had had a shower in the past week.

if we define exclusion as having to share a public space with other people - or maybe more narrowly as having to share a public space with annoying people that are different to us - then I'm excluded from the whole of central London on account of the annoying americans plaguing the place!

I recanted on my use of the word 'exclusion' - I wasn't saying that the presence of 'different' people amounts to exclusion, but just offering the anecdote that I was the only 'non-resident' walking around on that lawn, on a very busy sunny day with locals and tourists thronging everywhere else. Clearly, even if people don't feel excluded as such, they look at it and don't fancy it.

[2399]

Kevin Rudd Stepped down after he realised he had not enough votes from his party to stay in after Julia Gillard was to Challenge him and now she is the new Prime Minister.

[Bruce Rioja]

Kevin Rudd Stepped down after he realised he had not enough votes from his party to stay in after Julia Gillard was to Challenge him and now she is the new Prime Minister.

Welsh, I believe. She doesn't look anything like the fit Welsh girl that I know. Her name's Taff Tavitt.

[2399]

Yes from Wales, came out as she was sick and the dr. said the climate would help.