Moat Manhunt

[boltonboris]

In all the bickering between the usual suspects - bedwetting liberal hand wringers who want to see paedophiles given government grants and decent right-thinking folk who want the state to be able to torture to death whoever they damn well please, the point is being missed. There was a very definite question. I quote:

One dead, two shot, hostages found then arrested as accomplices and now they've locked down pretty much a whole town.

Thoughts on this story?

Well, my thoughts are that it's very good. Very good indeed.

Indeed, it's a bit like a film, where the serial killer leaves clues for the poice and plays a game with them, except that this Moat, doesn't seem very.. well.. Clever! Elusive though, got to give him credit for that! And he's hardly inconspicuous.. 6.2' 16st and ginger! Watch out Butch Dingle, sharpshooters are on you!

[thebish]

Dead man walking that fella! and TBH it won't be a minute to soon. I seriously hope to hell they want him to wave a gun when cornered I don't fancy wasting my hard earned pening him up for a long stretch, mind you a long stretch of his fat neck may be no bad thing!!!
Come on you human rights luvies defend this one.

ok hoboh - but first you have a go at defending the hanging of Derek Bentley, Timothy Evans and Mahood Mattan... if you convince me - then I'll take on this fellah....

Are you suggesting that this person may not have shot and killed someone?

no - not at all. where did you get that idea?

Well, you seem to be confusing miscarriage of justice, with someone who has fairly clearly shot and killed someone.

I'd be delighted if I didn't have to cough up for his incarceration.

absolutely not at all and 100% not - no confusion on my part.

1. Hoboh - randomly and out of the blue requests that some "human rights luvie" defend Moat - despite the fact that there is no sniff of anyone anywhere attempting any such thing.

2. I want him to work for his money - if hoboh makes a tough request from a "human rights luvie" (which is what his challenge would be - tough!) - then it is only fair that I first ask him to defend summat random and tough - from the point of view of a hang-em-and-floggem merchant. i don't see why I shoudl work for nothing!


you'll note no number 3 or 4 giving any opinion at all on moat's guilt or innocence and no 5 or 6 giving any opinion at all on what consequences he should face should he be caught and found guilty.

[as]

So, his ex bird is living with a copper, he then kills the copper and attempts to kill his ex on his release from the nick, but the police say that the copper and his ex we're romantically involved The other bobby who got shot was just on patrol in his car.

I'm sure the full details will come out in time, I can't help but think that this sted-head has had some kind of contact with the dead officer beforehand (he was a karate expert as well), and this has 'set him off'. There's something odd about this story.....how the hell do you live with someone, and the police deny there's owt going on?

Either way - he's dead - killing a civilian is one thing, but the police care a lot more about one of their own.

[Il Pirate]

Maybe all this could and should have been avoided by the police taking notice of and acting upon his risk assessment prior to being released. Quote ' He presents a very serious risk to a named person' IE his girlfriend/partner. And then we get that copper in her '70's hairdo, telling the world that the police weren't informed 'he would actualy shoot anyone'. Splitting hairs and grabbing at straws spring to mind.

[Worthy4England]

Maybe all this could and should have been avoided by the police taking notice of and acting upon his risk assessment prior to being released. Quote ' He presents a very serious risk to a named person' IE his girlfriend/partner. And then we get that copper in her '70's hairdo, telling the world that the police weren't informed 'he would actualy shoot anyone'. Splitting hairs and grabbing at straws spring to mind.

I agree - they should have been waiting outside Durham jail and shot him as he emerged - just on the off-chance. All this could have so easily been avoided.

[TANGODANCER]

Maybe all this could and should have been avoided by the police taking notice of and acting upon his risk assessment prior to being released. Quote ' He presents a very serious risk to a named person' IE his girlfriend/partner. And then we get that copper in her '70's hairdo, telling the world that the police weren't informed 'he would actualy shoot anyone'. Splitting hairs and grabbing at straws spring to mind.

Within the law, what can the police actually do about someone said to present a risk to another person, who hasn't actually committed a crime? It's a question, because I only know the basics of this case. See, the way I see it, under present laws,
the term "Crime Prevention" can only apply on a general basis, ie taking what precautions they can to deter crime. Not a totally desirable situation, I agree, but unless the threatened people agree to dissapear from the area, where exactly do the police stand? People can only be brought to trial when a crime is commited, not on suspicion one might be.

In this case one has so they can act. Too late sadly for the dead.

[bobo the clown]

1. Hoboh - randomly and out of the blue requests that some "human rights luvie" defend Moat - despite the fact that there is no sniff of anyone anywhere attempting any such thing.

Very fair .... there hasnt yet been anyone.

The oparative word being "yet". Without shadow of doubt, assuming he's caught alive ... which is far from certain ... there will be people who do. That, I'm afraid, is the way of the world.

[Worthy4England]

I have to say, I did rather like the snippet from everyone's favourite in yer face news station.

Police are analysing the 49-page letter written by Moat to see whether it gives any clues about his state of mind. Our senior news correspondent, Michelle Clifford

What exactly do they need to find out from it about his state of mind, that they couldn't have a shrewd guess at anyhow? It's rather like the time on the radio, where a story was reported that police had found a severed head in a dustbin in Oldham (IIRC), followed by the comment "Police are treating the death as "suspicious". Well, no shit...

[thebish]

1. Hoboh - randomly and out of the blue requests that some "human rights luvie" defend Moat - despite the fact that there is no sniff of anyone anywhere attempting any such thing.

Very fair .... there hasnt yet been anyone.

The oparative word being "yet". Without shadow of doubt, assuming he's caught alive ... which is far from certain ... there will be people who do. That, I'm afraid, is the way of the world.

I'll add a mental bookmark here and we'll see..... I have to say I am doubtful - unless you include the stautary defence team in a trial as "defenders". (though, like you, my hunch is he won't be taken alive - and so we may never get to know.)

[thebish]

I have to say, I did rather like the snippet from everyone's favourite in yer face news station.

Police are analysing the 49-page letter written by Moat to see whether it gives any clues about his state of mind. Our senior news correspondent, Michelle Clifford

What exactly do they need to find out from it about his state of mind, that they couldn't have a shrewd guess at anyhow? It's rather like the time on the radio, where a story was reported that police had found a severed head in a dustbin in Oldham (IIRC), followed by the comment "Police are treating the death as "suspicious". Well, no shit...

sounds sensible to me. the more you know - the better surely?

[BWFC_Insane]

Can someone tell this Moat geezer that James Corden has been sleeping with his partner?

[Cheese]

The only thing I've taken from this so far is that Ray Mears has got a lot to answer for.

[thebish]

The only thing I've taken from this so far is that Ray Mears has got a lot to answer for.

[Worthy4England]

I have to say, I did rather like the snippet from everyone's favourite in yer face news station.

Police are analysing the 49-page letter written by Moat to see whether it gives any clues about his state of mind. Our senior news correspondent, Michelle Clifford

What exactly do they need to find out from it about his state of mind, that they couldn't have a shrewd guess at anyhow? It's rather like the time on the radio, where a story was reported that police had found a severed head in a dustbin in Oldham (IIRC), followed by the comment "Police are treating the death as "suspicious". Well, no shit...

sounds sensible to me. the more you know - the better surely?

It would sound sensible to you Bish - probably like tartan carpet slippers.

There could be a big debate about whether he was committing these acts in a cold and calculating way or in a completely unhinged way. Either way, he's committing them - shoot on sight. Nothing more to know.

[thebish]

I have to say, I did rather like the snippet from everyone's favourite in yer face news station.

Police are analysing the 49-page letter written by Moat to see whether it gives any clues about his state of mind. Our senior news correspondent, Michelle Clifford

What exactly do they need to find out from it about his state of mind, that they couldn't have a shrewd guess at anyhow? It's rather like the time on the radio, where a story was reported that police had found a severed head in a dustbin in Oldham (IIRC), followed by the comment "Police are treating the death as "suspicious". Well, no shit...

sounds sensible to me. the more you know - the better surely?

It would sound sensible to you Bish - probably like tartan carpet slippers.

There could be a big debate about whether he was committing these acts in a cold and calculating way or in a completely unhinged way. Either way, he's committing them - shoot on sight. Nothing more to know.

hmmm... but in a hostage situation - which isn't beyond the bounds of possibility - surely it is best to work from as full a picture as possible. I suspect you know this and accept it - but it doesn't fit your gung-ho 'hood image...

[TANGODANCER]

Given the facts, he's highly unlikely to surrender and will be shot whilst resisting arrest. Bet on it.

[thebish]

Given the facts, he's highly unlikely to surrender and will be shot whilst resisting arrest. Bet on it.

I, for one, shan't be betting on any outcome... If I were the police, though, I'd rather know more than less.

[Worthy4England]

I have to say, I did rather like the snippet from everyone's favourite in yer face news station.

Police are analysing the 49-page letter written by Moat to see whether it gives any clues about his state of mind. Our senior news correspondent, Michelle Clifford

What exactly do they need to find out from it about his state of mind, that they couldn't have a shrewd guess at anyhow? It's rather like the time on the radio, where a story was reported that police had found a severed head in a dustbin in Oldham (IIRC), followed by the comment "Police are treating the death as "suspicious". Well, no shit...

sounds sensible to me. the more you know - the better surely?

It would sound sensible to you Bish - probably like tartan carpet slippers.

There could be a big debate about whether he was committing these acts in a cold and calculating way or in a completely unhinged way. Either way, he's committing them - shoot on sight. Nothing more to know.

hmmm... but in a hostage situation - which isn't beyond the bounds of possibility - surely it is best to work from as full a picture as possible. I suspect you know this and accept it - but it doesn't fit your gung-ho 'hood image...

I'm not sure that a hostage alters anything much about his state of mind. It would still be disturbed. I agree that his note might reveal some of his motivations that could then be played upon - which is a fair point.

So we know that he wants to kill police, but we sorta knew that anyhow, as he's already shot 2 who he thought fell into that category.

I wasn't aware that I had any sort of image "'hood" or otherwise, out here in the 'burbs.

[Gravedigger]

I reckon the guy has justified cause as he has exhausted all other means to get the coppers to stop humping his girl friend. Seems to be a survivalist and will probably turn out to be ex "Them" or did an OU course while in nick. I hope, though doubt, they take him alive so we get to hear the fullest story possible. Asked my mate, 22 SAS, if he's coming for a drink tonight. Said something about having to be somewhere else. Well, that's Walt for you.
Seems a bit of a coincidence that Brit troopps are being pulled out of Sangin. Wonder if there's a link.

[a1]

if he hated da popo that much , he'd go to where they all are like a police station or summat...

instead he's holed up in some tent in some wood or some other knobheads house about 4 miles past the farest thing you can think of, on the off chance he can can "cap" them as they walk passed one by one. ???.

the pricks brains are made of soup.

hope it pisses it down.