Moat Manhunt

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:41 pm

thebish wrote:went to bed last night and missus had r5 on - the whole thing being played out as r5 swings into full forensic rubbernecker mode - inviting calls from bystanders and people in their gardens with bioculars - playing out the whole things as if it is an episode of big brother.....

just makes me uneasy...

There were definate moments of that - repeatedly listening to a grainy bit of audio to try and work out if a man had blown his own head off being one - but there was far too much bizarre comedy in there aswell.

This for example.....

TV survival star Ray Mears was among those who helped in the hunt for Moat yesterday. The bushcraft expert, brought in at the request of police, looked for clues and trails left by Moat in the Northumberland wilderness.

Moat is hiding out under a drain and wandering around the streets, while the police draft in Ray Mears to hunt for him in the woods.

Britains most wanted killer, and we get Ray Mears and Gazza.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:49 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:One can only imagine the feeling of utter exasperation on the part of the Commanding Officer, when, overseeing one of the most delicate and dangerous stand-offs in living memory, which in turn is being played out in front of the full glare of the media, sees a pissed-up Gazza waddle upto the line - bag of bits in one hand - fishing rod in the other, reckoning that he's the man for the job. Apparently a simple "Moaty, it's Gazza" and a half hours trout fishing could've saved everyone all this bother.

Don't forget the dressing gown to keep him warm while they fished. You couldn't make it up. "I know he's killed one and shot two, which isn't very nice, but he's a good bloke" If it weren't so tragic I'd be helples laughing. Hope Gazza tells the relatives of those involved what a good lad Moat is. Gazza's always been a clown, but he's really excelled himself with this one.

As for the nutters slating the police handling, you have to wonder at their sanity. I'd jail the lot of them.

Bruce Rioja · Post by **Bruce Rioja** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:03 pm

TANGODANCER wrote: If it weren't so tragic I'd be helples laughing.

Absolutely. The phrase 'you couldn't make it up' gets trotted out too often by half for me, but in this instance it's never been more apposite.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:20 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:One can only imagine the feeling of utter exasperation on the part of the Commanding Officer, when, overseeing one of the most delicate and dangerous stand-offs in living memory, which in turn is being played out in front of the full glare of the media, sees a pissed-up Gazza waddle upto the line - bag of bits in one hand - fishing rod in the other, reckoning that he's the man for the job. Apparently a simple "Moaty, it's Gazza" and a half hours trout fishing could've saved everyone all this bother.
Don't forget the dressing gown to keep him warm while they fished. You couldn't make it up. "I know he's killed one and shot two, which isn't very nice, but he's a good bloke" If it weren't so tragic I'd be helples laughing. Hope Gazza tells the relatives of those involved what a good lad Moat is. Gazza's always been a clown, but he's really excelled himself with this one.

As for the nutters slating the police handling, you have to wonder at their sanity. I'd jail the lot of them.

Sorry, what now?

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:27 pm

Prufrock wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:One can only imagine the feeling of utter exasperation on the part of the Commanding Officer, when, overseeing one of the most delicate and dangerous stand-offs in living memory, which in turn is being played out in front of the full glare of the media, sees a pissed-up Gazza waddle upto the line - bag of bits in one hand - fishing rod in the other, reckoning that he's the man for the job. Apparently a simple "Moaty, it's Gazza" and a half hours trout fishing could've saved everyone all this bother.
Don't forget the dressing gown to keep him warm while they fished. You couldn't make it up. "I know he's killed one and shot two, which isn't very nice, but he's a good bloke" If it weren't so tragic I'd be helples laughing. Hope Gazza tells the relatives of those involved what a good lad Moat is. Gazza's always been a clown, but he's really excelled himself with this one.

As for the nutters slating the police handling, you have to wonder at their sanity. I'd jail the lot of them.
Sorry, what now?

Read the comments under this. http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx ... =154085153

Salford Trotter · Post by **Salford Trotter** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:44 pm

Gazza on Moaty....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9tsSS9Nmyo

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:51 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Prufrock wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:One can only imagine the feeling of utter exasperation on the part of the Commanding Officer, when, overseeing one of the most delicate and dangerous stand-offs in living memory, which in turn is being played out in front of the full glare of the media, sees a pissed-up Gazza waddle upto the line - bag of bits in one hand - fishing rod in the other, reckoning that he's the man for the job. Apparently a simple "Moaty, it's Gazza" and a half hours trout fishing could've saved everyone all this bother.
Don't forget the dressing gown to keep him warm while they fished. You couldn't make it up. "I know he's killed one and shot two, which isn't very nice, but he's a good bloke" If it weren't so tragic I'd be helples laughing. Hope Gazza tells the relatives of those involved what a good lad Moat is. Gazza's always been a clown, but he's really excelled himself with this one.

As for the nutters slating the police handling, you have to wonder at their sanity. I'd jail the lot of them.
Sorry, what now?
Read the comments under this. http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx ... =154085153

I'm struggling to see anything worthy of being jailed! Bloody hell TD, you might want to have a word with Hobo about a position in his new regime!

All I know is that the press thing was intruisive and made me very uneasy, Gazza turning up was utterly mental, and a guy who has shot himself in the head with a sawn off shoutgun not being pronounced dead until over an hour seems like we haven't had the full story yet.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:59 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Sorry, what now?

Read the comments under this. http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx ... =154085153[/quote]

I'm struggling to see anything worthy of being jailed! Bloody hell TD, you might want to have a word with Hobo about a position in his new regime!

All I know is that the press thing was intruisive and made me very uneasy, Gazza turning up was utterly mental, and a guy who has shot himself in the head with a sawn off shoutgun not being pronounced dead until over an hour seems like we haven't had the full story yet.[/quote]

Exactly the reason people should stop making inane comments about police handling until we have. I wonder how many of the detractors would like to be an armed policeman facing a lunatic gunman for hours in the pxxsing rain. All so easy to be an armchair Sherlock Holmes isn't it?. Some of the comments border on mental instability.

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:08 pm

I can't see the comments so I don't know what was said. I think the outcome has made the police look better than they might've done had Moat wanted to kill more people (or had the ability to - I don't know how many bullets he had) when he was on the run. Still, I suppose that's all ifs and buts, and the facts are that they managed to end it with no more innocent lives lost.

There's some pretty odious stuff being said by scum on facebook though.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:16 pm

Can't edit this for some reason, quotes etc, but here are some o the comments:

It makes one sick to the stomach and no doubt heads will roll, given the warning signs of MOAT, that have been informed to the necessary authorities, to have taken steps to prevent his bizarre criminal behaviour.

10 July 2010 04:46:55
so the police jumped on this poor soul,and that was the cause of moat pulling the trigger and killing himself,so much for the british police profesional training in dealing in such matters,they are guilty of inpatience,and of cause his so called girl friend,what a ruddy waste of life,i myself know of men,good men,have lost everything because of certain women do a double timeing on their husbands,

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blackpoolbell#4

10 July 2010 05:11:04
gentleman his girlfriend was not cheating on him their relationship ended through his violence, her boyfriend did not deserve to die or did a policeman deserve to be shot, most of all he had no right to try and take the life of his childs mother, you obviously do not know what it is like to be afraid of someone so violent, you need to get a grip, if he was a man he would not of shot himself he would of took the punishment for what he did
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blackpoolbell#5
10 July 2010 05:23:36
what a strange person you are
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That would be me then#6
10 July 2010 05:26:58
gentleman.

Blimey that would keep a psychologist going for months and months if not years. You have not got a shotgun and or a Lexus by any chance. The poor soul shot himself while attempts were being made to disarm him of a shotgun he had used premeditatedly on three people, killing one of them. I can clearly see how this would generate sympathy. I suppose the heavy rain got him down, after all it was supposed to be summer. Luckily he did not go after the local weather forecasters for letting him down so badly

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bigstuff#7
10 July 2010 05:32:01
such a shame it ended like this, why did the police 'jump' him? why not wait until he was ready? if he was as dangerous as police were saying he would have taken a lot more people out first. at one time what he done would have been called a crime of passion not made him 'Britains most wanted' Typical police panic

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Stockport Calling#8
10 July 2010 06:08:08
This man was a woman beating, murdering, threat making to public and holding a gun. He has cost the tax payers a fortune, held a village to shut down, and I cannot believe anybody has any sympathy for him. I feel for his family, but the best solution was for him to pull that trigger. The police are getting slated, why they didnt take him out hours before I do not know, would have saved everybody, including him, a lot of trouble. I have no sympathy for people like this, they live by the sword, they die by the sword.
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ramdeebam#9
10 July 2010 06:23:21
I'd of expected he would of ended up dead.

I agree with what gentelman has just said.

"a single shot was heard, no officers opened fire" That's what was said, however I'm inclined to not believe that. We will never know exactly what happened, but for one, someone with a shotgun who would of inevitably shot himself in the neck/head with a shotgun would of taken is head off or it been blown to pieces. So would of been dead instantly yet they was keen to get him to the hospital, why? I heard the shouting and gunshot, sounded more than one shot too me.

I dont trust the police, they cover up to much and have often lied through their teeth to get themselves out of the **** and theres nothing that can be done.

Shows what a sad state of affairs it is when it was also a member of the public who informed the police of where moet was. They are the most USELESS force in the world, clearly..7days of choppers countless officers and patrols and the useless bastards couldn't find him.

I must say by the way they probably got bored and wanted to get home to have food, pounced on the bloke and shot him themselves.

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aderfven.2#10
10 July 2010 06:24:14
When I read some of the inane comments by people on these boards I realise why this country is in such a b.l

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:50 pm

All of what you have said may be true TD, but it still looks to me like you were up for jailing folk for stuff written on message boards?

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:32 pm

Prufrock wrote:All of what you have said may be true TD, but it still looks to me like you were up for jailing folk for stuff written on message boards?

I didn't exactly advocate the Bastille or Devils Island Pru, but stuff written on message boards is effectively libel since it's put in print/broadcast and detrimental to somebody's reputation. It's also, at this stage, unfounded specualtion at best. Free speech has its limits in some cases, and hardly constructive free speech at that. It was however, my opinion and I'll happily listen to yours or anyone elses.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:41 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Prufrock wrote:All of what you have said may be true TD, but it still looks to me like you were up for jailing folk for stuff written on message boards?
I didn't exactly advocate the Bastille or Devils Island Pru, but stuff written on message boards is effectively libel since it's put in print/broadcast and detrimental to somebody's reputation. It's also, at this stage, unfounded specualtion at best. Free speech has its limits in some cases, and hardly constructive free speech at that. It was however, my opinion and I'll happily listen to yours or anyone elses.

One of the limits of free speech is not that it be constructive. And I didn't indicate you advocated the Bastille, but you did say you'd jail the lot. A lot of those comments merely critisise the way the police have dealt with the situation. That, whether you agree with what they say or not, doesn't quite seem a bad enough crime to justify a custodial sentence! Again, jailing folk for comments made on a message board? Seems a bit dangerous to me.

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:24 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Prufrock wrote:All of what you have said may be true TD, but it still looks to me like you were up for jailing folk for stuff written on message boards?
I didn't exactly advocate the Bastille or Devils Island Pru, but stuff written on message boards is effectively libel since it's put in print/broadcast and detrimental to somebody's reputation. It's also, at this stage, unfounded specualtion at best. Free speech has its limits in some cases, and hardly constructive free speech at that. It was however, my opinion and I'll happily listen to yours or anyone elses.

I had expected you to suggest to Pru that he was being a bit daft because your comment was obviously hyperbole.

but instead - it seems not - it is your view!

unless words in your post somehow don't mean what they obviously mean - it seems to be your view that people who write unconstructive comments about the police on message boards should serve a custodial sentence.

it also seems to be your view that people whose posts seem to another forum reader to suggest mental instability should also serve a custodial sentence.

ok - here's my view for you to happily listen to.

I don't think that people who criticize or question the police on a forum should be jailed

I might also suggest that your view is so extreme as to suggest some mental instability - and therefore suggest that you take your own view seriously and hand yourself in at a police station for immediate incarceration.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:46 pm

thebish wrote:
I had expected you to suggest to Pru that he was being a bit daft because your comment was obviously hyperbole.
but instead - it seems not - it is your view!
unless words in your post somehow don't mean what they obviously mean - it seems to be your view that people who write unconstructive comments about the police on message boards should serve a custodial sentence.
it also seems to be your view that people whose posts seem to another forum reader to suggest mental instability should also serve a custodial sentence.
ok - here's my view for you to happily listen to.
I don't think that people who criticize or question the police on a forum should be jailed
I might also suggest that your view is so extreme as to suggest some mental instability - and therefore suggest that you take your own view seriously and hand yourself in at a police station for immediate incarceration.

I'd rather hoped, somewhat foolishly I suppose, that when you appeared you'd stick to this case and the comments posted realting to it and not generalise for the sake of point-proving and preaching yet again. Forlorn hope hey?. If you'd rather I used the term " a bunch of nutters" instead, then consider it done. The point remains.

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:53 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
thebish wrote:
I had expected you to suggest to Pru that he was being a bit daft because your comment was obviously hyperbole.
but instead - it seems not - it is your view!
unless words in your post somehow don't mean what they obviously mean - it seems to be your view that people who write unconstructive comments about the police on message boards should serve a custodial sentence.
it also seems to be your view that people whose posts seem to another forum reader to suggest mental instability should also serve a custodial sentence.
ok - here's my view for you to happily listen to.
I don't think that people who criticize or question the police on a forum should be jailed
I might also suggest that your view is so extreme as to suggest some mental instability - and therefore suggest that you take your own view seriously and hand yourself in at a police station for immediate incarceration.
I'd rather hoped, somewhat foolishly I suppose, that when you appeared you'd stick to this case and the comments posted realting to it and not generalise for the sake of point-proving and preaching yet again. Forlorn hope hey?. If you'd rather I used the term " a bunch of nutters" instead, then consider it done. The point remains.

not sure what I am generalising??

the point remains - that you think people should be incarcerated for criticising the po-po on a message board?

also - not at all sure why the term "preaching" applies to my post and not to yours - which was advocating jailing people!

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:56 pm

thebish wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
thebish wrote:
I had expected you to suggest to Pru that he was being a bit daft because your comment was obviously hyperbole.
but instead - it seems not - it is your view!
unless words in your post somehow don't mean what they obviously mean - it seems to be your view that people who write unconstructive comments about the police on message boards should serve a custodial sentence.
it also seems to be your view that people whose posts seem to another forum reader to suggest mental instability should also serve a custodial sentence.
ok - here's my view for you to happily listen to.
I don't think that people who criticize or question the police on a forum should be jailed
I might also suggest that your view is so extreme as to suggest some mental instability - and therefore suggest that you take your own view seriously and hand yourself in at a police station for immediate incarceration.
I'd rather hoped, somewhat foolishly I suppose, that when you appeared you'd stick to this case and the comments posted realting to it and not generalise for the sake of point-proving and preaching yet again. Forlorn hope hey?. If you'd rather I used the term " a bunch of nutters" instead, then consider it done. The point remains.
not sure what I am generalising??

the point remains - that you think people should be incarcerated for criticising the po-po on a message board?

Next view on "the Moat case".

thebish · Post by **thebish** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:05 pm

TANGODANCER wrote: Next view on "the Moat case".

my view is that people should be free to raise questions about the po-po's response on message board without fear of incarceration,

and that tango should be jailed for preaching.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:11 pm

thebish wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote: Next view on "the Moat case".
my view is that people should be free to raise questions about the po-po's response on message board without fear of incarceration, and that tango should be jailed for preaching.

From the king of preachers that's a real compliment. Anyway, I'm not home, I've been incarcerated for insubordination ( there's something a bit clever in there somewhere) and forced to watch Germany .

finlayson · Post by **finlayson** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:37 am

I'm just waiting for Yasmin Qureshi to come out appealing for charges against those who helped him be dropped on the grounds one of them has a foreign sounding name.

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