Moat Manhunt

[Prufrock]

I just ate a biscuit whilst watching the Scottish Open.

no you didn't - you walked down the street in your dressing gown and had a wee in next door's forsythia.... now - call the nurse back in!

Shouldn't you be reading Sermons.com or something? I can post your next couple of replies for you if you like, ie "you have no evidence, thought not" smirk smirk etc, and throw in a "confused" or two. I don't mind helping, really, it's Sunday after all.

i could probably post your next two for you too...

posting ridiculous opinions with no evidence when they are clearly untrue - perhaps you could rename yourself DailyMailgo?

there was an excellent example of this kind of bonkers opinions-with-no-evidence malarky highlighted on The Now Show this week.

I have extracted the section for your entertainment....

http://soundcloud.com/revnev/muslim-window-blackout

Haha I enjoyed that. Good listen!

[TANGODANCER]

there you go - dip into the Tango bag of responses to thebish and pull out one of the words "sermon", "preach" or "pulpit" (not that I personally ever use one of those... - maybe you have a seething repressed pulpit-envy??) asking you to support your preachy claim about the ridiculously stupid public daring to make the police into the chief villains is the kind of "preaching" we should hear more of - whereas your random heresay opinions that have no basis in the real world - that makes for the type of "preaching" the average pew-sitter could do without...

At which point Gazza dashes onto the scene with a flask of Bovril, a folding stool, a golf umbrella and a set of 1830 duelling pistols claiming he can easily sort it out.

Time to move on I think.

[thebish]

there was an excellent example of this kind of bonkers opinions-with-no-evidence malarky highlighted on The Now Show this week.

I have extracted the section for your entertainment....

http://soundcloud.com/revnev/muslim-window-blackout

Haha I enjoyed that. Good listen!

I thought it made a good point - and referenced this site: http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/ which looks like a very interesting read...

i shall be using the now show clip in my evening sermon - one of the readings for which is the Good Samaritan - this clip giving (I think) a flavour of what was probably a similarly irrational and made-up prejudice between Jews and Samaritans 2000 years ago.... lazy, insidious racism....

I did also think of using this clip - but have bottled out because of use of the word "wanker"...

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[Worthy4England]

Surely it's ok to ask questions of the police though?

There seems to be quite a few unanswered questions. How he managed to hide so close to the town, why they decided they'd had enough and jumped him and why the autopsy left out that he'd been tasered twice? I don't think it's unreasonable that the police should answer them.

I think you're right.

We need to ask questions like...

Why did you spend 6 hours talking to a known murderer, when you could have shot him soon as you found him?

Unfortunately, we'll end up with a lodsa of liberal-assed questions like "Was it really necessary to use a taser, that culminated in this clearly misunderstood person shooting himself", for which the appropriate answer should be, "Who cares?"

[Prufrock]

there was an excellent example of this kind of bonkers opinions-with-no-evidence malarky highlighted on The Now Show this week.

I have extracted the section for your entertainment....

http://soundcloud.com/revnev/muslim-window-blackout

Haha I enjoyed that. Good listen!

I thought it made a good point - and referenced this site: http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/ which looks like a very interesting read...

i shall be using the now show clip in my evening sermon - one of the readings for which is the Good Samaritan - this clip giving (I think) a flavour of what was probably a similarly irrational and made-up prejudice between Jews and Samaritans 2000 years ago.... lazy, insidious racism....

I did also think of using this clip - but have bottled out because of use of the word "wanker"...

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Also, not sure, given what you do, having Jesus presented as a well-meaning but ultimately dim and bigoted bloke would go down too well either

Clever though Mitchell and Webb. David Mitchell particularly is very good at cutting through Daily Mail type hype to find out the truth. He's very good on the QI Call my Euro bluff.

[thebish]

Also, not sure, given what you do, having Jesus presented as a well-meaning but ultimately dim and bigoted bloke would go down too well either

he's big enough to take a joke..... (I hope!)

[Prufrock]

Surely it's ok to ask questions of the police though?

There seems to be quite a few unanswered questions. How he managed to hide so close to the town, why they decided they'd had enough and jumped him and why the autopsy left out that he'd been tasered twice? I don't think it's unreasonable that the police should answer them.

I think you're right.

We need to ask questions like...

Why did you spend 6 hours talking to a known murderer, when you could have shot him soon as you found him?

Unfortunately, we'll end up with a lodsa of liberal-assed questions like "Was it really necessary to use a taser, that culminated in this clearly misunderstood person shooting himself", for which the appropriate answer should be, "Who cares?"

My own view, as said above, is that if the news your girlfriend has a new fella drives you to go on a shotgun rampage, I'm not entirely sure you're mentally healthy.

Now a difficult question for many, if a mentally ill person escaped from an asylum and acquired a shotgun, but despite threatening to, had not yet killed a memeber of the public, and the police had them cornered, would you authorise them to shoot on sight?

[TANGODANCER]

Also, not sure, given what you do, having Jesus presented as a well-meaning but ultimately dim and bigoted bloke would go down too well either

he's big enough to take a joke..... (I hope!)

He wasn't too amused by the statue of him they put up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR_Srg6x ... re=related

[Hoboh]

Surely it's ok to ask questions of the police though?

There seems to be quite a few unanswered questions. How he managed to hide so close to the town, why they decided they'd had enough and jumped him and why the autopsy left out that he'd been tasered twice? I don't think it's unreasonable that the police should answer them.

I think you're right.

We need to ask questions like...

Why did you spend 6 hours talking to a known murderer, when you could have shot him soon as you found him?

Unfortunately, we'll end up with a lodsa of liberal-assed questions like "Was it really necessary to use a taser, that culminated in this clearly misunderstood person shooting himself", for which the appropriate answer should be, "Who cares?"

My own view, as said above, is that if the news your girlfriend has a new fella drives you to go on a shotgun rampage, I'm not entirely sure you're mentally healthy.

Now a difficult question for many, if a mentally ill person escaped from an asylum and acquired a shotgun, but despite threatening to, had not yet killed a memeber of the public, and the police had them cornered, would you authorise them to shoot on sight?

I'd shoot the person responsable for his escape!!!!

Is it just me or is mental illness being used more and more to cover up peoples failings in life? and thats a serious question. No doubt there are some really sad cases but being mentally ill because you are an aggresive bully who thinks your God and own the "right" to peoples lives like his ex? then flip because you find out you don't, is that genuine mental illness? most of us have shite thrown up during our lives, should we all aquire shotguns, sawn off ones at that and then expect to be treated for our "illness"? Sometimes its sociaty thats mental!!!
Maybe its the lack of education or sociaty brain washing at an early age at fault?

[TANGODANCER]

Pru wrote:

Now a difficult question for many, if a mentally ill person escaped from an asylum and acquired a shotgun, but despite threatening to, had not yet killed a memeber of the public, and the police had them cornered, would you authorise them to shoot on sight?

That's not really relevant to the Moat case though, is it Pru? " The terms, Nervous breakdown, and, acting whilst the balance of the mind is disturbed, are total reality and not supposition. Did Moat have a history of mental disability, or was he acting from pure aggression? Those circumstances and the ones in your question are totally different. Moat had killed one person and shot two others as well as threatening further killings. As such he was a total danger to the public. More facts need to emerge before any of us can really comment.

[a1]

theyre not gonna ask his doctor first before doing owt anyroad.

his family are already getting ready to put a claim in and also get book deals despite not seeing him for years.

also found it piss funny that they all thought police cordons are easy to get round or into just by going,- "he's me mate/family/man-ive-not-seen-since-i-were-twelve/its-a-shortcut-to-me-house-and-i'll-have-to-walk-miles-otherwise" .

[ratbert]

Moat's crimes were terrible, but the police acted to see justice done for those crimes - that is, getting him to trial to determine what he did and why he did it.

Having 'shoot on sight, no questions asked' justice might be OK in a Judge Dredd comic, but I personally would rather not see it here.

As for Hobo's comments on mental illness, not all mentally ill people are psychotc murderers, despite what TV tells you.

[TANGODANCER]

The more I read and see of the media coverage and reactions, the more I wnder if it's actually me that's losing touch with reality.

[Prufrock]

Pru wrote:

Now a difficult question for many, if a mentally ill person escaped from an asylum and acquired a shotgun, but despite threatening to, had not yet killed a memeber of the public, and the police had them cornered, would you authorise them to shoot on sight?

That's not really relevant to the Moat case though, is it Pru? " The terms, Nervous breakdown, and, acting whilst the balance of the mind is disturbed, are total reality and not supposition. Did Moat have a history of mental disability, or was he acting from pure aggression? Those circumstances and the ones in your question are totally different. Moat had killed one person and shot two others as well as threatening further killings. As such he was a total danger to the public. More facts need to emerge before any of us can really comment.

That's the very point I'm making. As said, guy going on shotgun rampage suggests all is not well mentally, but I don't know that, no more than anyone else knows the real reasons. All that is why I find this 'they should have just shot him and had done with it' more than a little distasteful.

[thebish]

The more I read and see of the media coverage and reactions, the more I wnder if it's actually me that's losing touch with reality.

it is Tango. just go with the flow...

[TANGODANCER]

The more I read and see of the media coverage and reactions, the more I wnder if it's actually me that's losing touch with reality.

it is Tango. just go with the flow...

I just heard a voice. Is that you Lord?

[Hoboh]

The more I read and see of the media coverage and reactions, the more I wnder if it's actually me that's losing touch with reality.

it is Tango. just go with the flow...

I just heard a voice. Is that you Lord?

sorry I couldn't thelp that!!

You two are like Laurel n Hardy!!

[thebish]

The more I read and see of the media coverage and reactions, the more I wnder if it's actually me that's losing touch with reality.

it is Tango. just go with the flow...

I just heard a voice. Is that you Lord?

hearing voices IS an early sign - yes! - careful - there's hoboh outside with his preventative shotgun!

[Hoboh]

The more I read and see of the media coverage and reactions, the more I wnder if it's actually me that's losing touch with reality.

it is Tango. just go with the flow...

I just heard a voice. Is that you Lord?

hearing voices IS an early sign - yes! - careful - there's hoboh outside with his preventative shotgun!

Serious underestimate there Bish old chap!

[TANGODANCER]

The more I read and see of the media coverage and reactions, the more I wnder if it's actually me that's losing touch with reality.

it is Tango. just go with the flow...

I just heard a voice. Is that you Lord?

hearing voices IS an early sign - yes! - careful - there's hoboh outside with his preventative shotgun!

Why are you calling me Tango? The clipboard at the bottom of my bed says my name is Joe Navark.