The Politics Thread

[Prufrock]

T-W Spy has gone political!

[Hoboh]

Is it really possible that these are genuine postings on the BNP website... ???

A bit of me just KNOWS the bish made it up, brilliantly...

But tell me it's true... these are the latest postings from the master race???

Well it ain't from one of your websites Willy, no one mentions beating up the Police or destroying banks and denying any other partys right to express their views.

[thebish]

Is it really possible that these are genuine postings on the BNP website... ???

A bit of me just KNOWS the bish made it up, brilliantly...

But tell me it's true... these are the latest postings from the master race???

I can take no credit for any originality or creativity here..... all word for word...

[Prufrock]

Is it really possible that these are genuine postings on the BNP website... ???

A bit of me just KNOWS the bish made it up, brilliantly...

But tell me it's true... these are the latest postings from the master race???

Well it ain't from one of your websites Willy, no one mentions beating up the Police or destroying banks and denying any other partys right to express their views.

Damn straight! Dirty tactics as well, targeting defenceless policemen, and aiming for their truncheon-like weak-spot with their heads!

[Lord Kangana]

I am the beat of the Morris man's bell

Its a gift that keeps on giving for me.

[bedwetter2]

I am the beat of the Morris man's balls

Its a gift that keeps on giving for me.

I don't even want to think about that.

[thebish]

The Leaders Debates were discussed on here and watched by many - we all heard what Clegg and Cameron said - with sincere eyes at the camera and accompanied by oft-repeated phrases such as "I am being straight with you"... "a new age of open and honest politics..." "bringing back the trust that politics has lost"... etc...

so how come...

1. Having slated what they branded the "death tax" when labour were discussing it - "'Gordon Brown's death tax is not only a very bad policy, it is an extremely unfair policy: it penalises those very people in our society that we should be rewarding.' (Andrew Lansley) - the Tories are now proposing the very same thing...

2. Having made HUUUUUUGE capital with a promise to provide all cancer drugs on demand to anyone who asked - a MAJOR pledge from Cameron in the Leaders debates - the Tories have now put this on ice...

3. Having PROMISED no more large-scale top-down reorganisations of the NHS - claiming there has been too much disruption from too many reorganisations - the Tories announce the biggest top-down shake up of the NHS for decades - amounting to back-door privatisation.

4. Having made a big noise about having no plans to raise VAT - they raise it massively at the very first opportunity.

5. Having made great sport ridiculing Labour for councils having bin-taxes/fines Environment Secretary Caroline Spelman gives local councils the freedom to introduce bin taxes.

6. having accused Brown of lying in the leaders debates when Brown accused him of planning to cut free bus travel for pensioners (and adding an indignant face to boot) - the Tories now plan to add 5 yrs to the age a pensioner can get a free bus pass.

[Bruce Rioja]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

[CAPSLOCK]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

[thebish]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

actually - quite the opposite chum.

the figures revealed by the independant body the tories set up showed that borrowing would actually be LESS (not massively so - but less all the same) than the Tories and Lib Dems were predicting over the next 3 years

and.. this week it was revealed that Economic Growth since the start of this calendar year was GREATER than the tories and lib dems were predicting.

so - actually - whilst the economy is in poor shape - it is absolutely NOT in a worse state than they expected - it is in slightly BETTER shape - so they did NOT underestimate any middens...

so - nail not hit on head - rather a glancing blow that bent the nail and bruised your thumb....


as for you "why" question - because they were always lying! duh!

[William the White]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

That's such an easy question to answer. For politicians the almost irresistible seduction is power. For almost a century the Liberal Party and its successors have been out of power. The Tories offered them a share of it (unwillingly) and they coulldn't wait to get under the duvet with their great historic enemy.

All the Lib Dems had to do was betray pretty much every principle they boasted of having. In return they got Energy and Climate change, Scotland, Business, Second in charge at the Treasury and, for Clegg, the right to answer PMQs when Brown Owl is away. And a referendum on a new voting system that doesn't deliver proportionality. That's how cheap they were.

Liberal voters will punish them very heavily for this. and they deserve it. Last opinion poll showed them at 13% with the Tory vote holding up or improving. The Tories like the coalition (wonder why?). The Lib Dem voters don't. (wonder why?).

[Bruce Rioja]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

actually - quite the opposite chum.

the figures revealed by the independant body the tories set up showed that borrowing would actually be LESS (not massively so - but less all the same) than the Tories and Lib Dems were predicting over the next 3 years

and.. this week it was revealed that Economic Growth since the start of this calendar year was GREATER than the tories and lib dems were predicting.

so - actually - whilst the economy is in poor shape - it is absolutely NOT in a worse state than they expected - it is in slightly BETTER shape - so they did NOT underestimate any middens...

so - nail not hit on head - rather a glancing blow that bent the nail and bruised your thumb....


as for you "why" question - because they were always lying! duh!

So we're not more in debt than we've ever been aren't we, Bernice?

[Prufrock]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

actually - quite the opposite chum.

the figures revealed by the independant body the tories set up showed that borrowing would actually be LESS (not massively so - but less all the same) than the Tories and Lib Dems were predicting over the next 3 years

and.. this week it was revealed that Economic Growth since the start of this calendar year was GREATER than the tories and lib dems were predicting.

so - actually - whilst the economy is in poor shape - it is absolutely NOT in a worse state than they expected - it is in slightly BETTER shape - so they did NOT underestimate any middens...

so - nail not hit on head - rather a glancing blow that bent the nail and bruised your thumb....


as for you "why" question - because they were always lying! duh!

So we're not more in debt than we've ever been aren't we, Bernice?

Doesn't change the fact that they have gone back on a shiteload of things they 'promised'. If you aren't sure you can deliver it, you can't promise it, or rather if you do, you can't expect a lot of folk to be fecking livid when you do. I know a lot of older folk round here who always been labour, and changed to Tory on the back of the cancer drugs promise.

Added to that things where in a better position than they'd expected. They thought they would have £xbillion debt, and made a load of promises on cost cuts, but STILL promised these cancer drugs, saying they wont raise the bus pass age. Now it turns out the debt is less than they thought, but they're going back on them. They look pretty stitched up to me there on the charge of, you know, lying to the electorate. I'm not suggesting their the first, nor will they be the last, but it's pretty brazen, especially when they talked about change and honesty and openness.

[Bruce Rioja]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

That's such an easy question to answer. For politicians the almost irresistible seduction is power. For almost a century the Liberal Party and its successors have been out of power. The Tories offered them a share of it (unwillingly) and they coulldn't wait to get under the duvet with their great historic enemy.

All the Lib Dems had to do was betray pretty much every principle they boasted of having. In return they got Energy and Climate change, Scotland, Business, Second in charge at the Treasury and, for Clegg, the right to answer PMQs when Brown Owl is away. And a referendum on a new voting system that doesn't deliver proportionality. That's how cheap they were.

Liberal voters will punish them very heavily for this. and they deserve it. Last opinion poll showed them at 13% with the Tory vote holding up or improving. The Tories like the coalition (wonder why?). The Lib Dem voters don't. (wonder why?).

Nick Clegg is a very easy target now for the left, and it’s pretty pathetic that they keep on aiming for him. Let's not forget just how few seats the Lib Dems actually won. Hardly in a position of groundbreaking strength were they? To get the concessions that they have is a bonus by any measurement and I’d have thought that any sensible Lib Dem would recognize that. This idea that you have that Lib Dems and Tories are in some sort of diametric opposition is, I say, outmoded. Many of my friends and colleagues who are, like me, centre-right heard much in the Lib Dems manifesto to make us stop and think

[TANGODANCER]

heard much in the Lib Dems manifesto to make us stop and think

Shxt. I thought Mani Festo was a mate of Tal Ben Haim's.

Sorry, I'm in th taxi now.

[Prufrock]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

That's such an easy question to answer. For politicians the almost irresistible seduction is power. For almost a century the Liberal Party and its successors have been out of power. The Tories offered them a share of it (unwillingly) and they coulldn't wait to get under the duvet with their great historic enemy.

All the Lib Dems had to do was betray pretty much every principle they boasted of having. In return they got Energy and Climate change, Scotland, Business, Second in charge at the Treasury and, for Clegg, the right to answer PMQs when Brown Owl is away. And a referendum on a new voting system that doesn't deliver proportionality. That's how cheap they were.

Liberal voters will punish them very heavily for this. and they deserve it. Last opinion poll showed them at 13% with the Tory vote holding up or improving. The Tories like the coalition (wonder why?). The Lib Dem voters don't. (wonder why?).

Nick Clegg is a very easy target now for the left, and it’s pretty pathetic that they keep on aiming for him. Let's not forget just how few seats the Lib Dems actually won. Hardly in a position of groundbreaking strength were they? To get the concessions that they have is a bonus by any measurement and I’d have thought that any sensible Lib Dem would recognize that. This idea that you have that Lib Dems and Tories are in some sort of diametric opposition is, I say, outmoded. Many of my friends and colleagues who are, like me, centre-right heard much in the Lib Dems manifesto to make us stop and think

The reason they got those 'few seats' was because people voted for them. They got a large part of the student vote precisely for the reason they said they opposed top up fees. They get in as part of the coalition and immediately soften their stance on all of their key pledges. I think you underestimate the power they have. The Tories can't pass anything on their own, they need the support of the Lib Dems. Of course the direction and the leadership was always going to be Tory, and rightly so, but the Lib Dems do have a say, otherwise what is the point of even being in the coalition. The reason many attack Clegg is because after arguing for years they should have the right to have a say, to have a platform, they are now being incredibly weak about doing anything with it.

[Bruce Rioja]

Presumably, and as they didn't have access to the exact figures, they'd quite understandably underestimated just how much of an absolute midden your mates have left us in. Why else? Because they feel like it?

actually - quite the opposite chum.

the figures revealed by the independant body the tories set up showed that borrowing would actually be LESS (not massively so - but less all the same) than the Tories and Lib Dems were predicting over the next 3 years

and.. this week it was revealed that Economic Growth since the start of this calendar year was GREATER than the tories and lib dems were predicting.

so - actually - whilst the economy is in poor shape - it is absolutely NOT in a worse state than they expected - it is in slightly BETTER shape - so they did NOT underestimate any middens...

so - nail not hit on head - rather a glancing blow that bent the nail and bruised your thumb....


as for you "why" question - because they were always lying! duh!

So we're not more in debt than we've ever been aren't we, Bernice?

Doesn't change the fact that they have gone back on a shiteload of things they 'promised'. If you aren't sure you can deliver it, you can't promise it, or rather if you do, you can't expect a lot of folk to be fecking livid when you do. I know a lot of older folk round here who always been labour, and changed to Tory on the back of the cancer drugs promise.

Added to that things where in a better position than they'd expected. They thought they would have £xbillion debt, and made a load of promises on cost cuts, but STILL promised these cancer drugs, saying they wont raise the bus pass age. Now it turns out the debt is less than they thought, but they're going back on them. They look pretty stitched up to me there on the charge of, you know, lying to the electorate. I'm not suggesting their the first, nor will they be the last, but it's pretty brazen, especially when they talked about change and honesty and openness.

Yeah, let's go down the stealth route, eh? The rise in the price of Passports under the previous government, anyone?

[Bruce Rioja]

The reason they got those 'few seats' was because people voted for them. They got a large part of the student vote precisely for the reason they said they opposed top up fees. They get in as part of the coalition and immediately soften their stance on all of their key pledges. I think you underestimate the power they have. The Tories can't pass anything on their own, they need the support of the Lib Dems. Of course the direction and the leadership was always going to be Tory, and rightly so, but the Lib Dems do have a say, otherwise what is the point of even being in the coalition. The reason many attack Clegg is because after arguing for years they should have the right to have a say, to have a platform, they are now being incredibly weak about doing anything with it.

And? They're not in government... derrrr. The people that voted for them are getting something, which is better than the nothing that they deserve given that they got their arses kicked out of town in the general election. The student vote accounts for what? feck all. That's like counting on the teacher training college vote, all of which goes to Labour, but so what?

[CAPSLOCK]

Students get a vote?

No wonder the country is fcuked up

[Prufrock]

The reason they got those 'few seats' was because people voted for them. They got a large part of the student vote precisely for the reason they said they opposed top up fees. They get in as part of the coalition and immediately soften their stance on all of their key pledges. I think you underestimate the power they have. The Tories can't pass anything on their own, they need the support of the Lib Dems. Of course the direction and the leadership was always going to be Tory, and rightly so, but the Lib Dems do have a say, otherwise what is the point of even being in the coalition. The reason many attack Clegg is because after arguing for years they should have the right to have a say, to have a platform, they are now being incredibly weak about doing anything with it.

And? They're not in government... derrrr. The people that voted for them are getting something, which is better than the nothing that they deserve given that they got their arses kicked out of town in the general election. The student vote accounts for what? feck all. That's like counting on the teacher training college vote, all of which goes to Labour, but so what?

But....they are in government. Last time I checked, the Deputy PM was a Liberal Democrat, The Secretary of State for Business Industry and Skills, The Secretary of State for energy and Climate change, The Secretary of State for Scotland, The Chief Secretary for the Treasury. The Tories cannot pass a single bill on their own. They need the Lib Dems, and as such the Lib Dems do have some power. It's not a Prime Ministerial election. Those Lib Dem MPs are each worth one, just like any other MP, and they owe that to the folk who voted them in. Many of their key promises have also been reneged on. Many are left wondering what the point of them being in the coalition is. If the Lib Dems weren't in the coaliton, and we had a Tory Minority government, and the Tories proposed raising student loans, the Lib Dems would vote against it. Now they are in the coalition, Clegg has said he'd advise his MPs to abstain, which would then take the Tory vote to a majority of the votes cast. The Lib Dem election position is weakened by their being in the coalition.