What are you reading tonight?

[TANGODANCER]

What's the point of it?! I could even understand a law saying people could not be required to work Sundays in order to preserve the rights of folk who want to go to church, but to go the other way and say they can't if they want?

Quite the opposite Pru. "Six days shalt thou labour, on on the seventh thou shalt rest" was meant to give everybody a rest on Sundays, including shopkeepers. Most supermarkets are open till about 8-0'clockthese days in the week. That said, if the profit levels aren't worth it stores won't open for fun. Since 1994 it all changed, but I suspect, given the choice few folk would actually want to work if they didn't have to.

The superstores aren't allowed to open after 16:00. Trafford Centre stops at 18:00. The superstore thing I believe is "law" rather choice.

Ah, but I did say supermarkets and "in the week".

[Worthy4England]

What's the point of it?! I could even understand a law saying people could not be required to work Sundays in order to preserve the rights of folk who want to go to church, but to go the other way and say they can't if they want?

Quite the opposite Pru. "Six days shalt thou labour, on on the seventh thou shalt rest" was meant to give everybody a rest on Sundays, including shopkeepers. Most supermarkets are open till about 8-0'clockthese days in the week. That said, if the profit levels aren't worth it stores won't open for fun. Since 1994 it all changed, but I suspect, given the choice few folk would actually want to work if they didn't have to.

The superstores aren't allowed to open after 16:00. Trafford Centre stops at 18:00. The superstore thing I believe is "law" rather choice.

Ah, but I did say supermarkets and "in the week".

Tango, the WHOLE point was the Sunday bit. If it was in the week, I could pop to the supermarkets any time over the 24 hours when it's not busy and pick a few random books off the shelf...

[TANGODANCER]

Tango, the WHOLE point was the Sunday bit. If it was in the week, I could pop to the supermarkets any time over the 24 hours when it's not busy and pick a few random books off the shelf...

Okay. Be angry then, see if I care.

[Prufrock]

What's the point of it?! I could even understand a law saying people could not be required to work Sundays in order to preserve the rights of folk who want to go to church, but to go the other way and say they can't if they want?

Quite the opposite Pru. "Six days shalt thou labour, on on the seventh thou shalt rest" was meant to give everybody a rest on Sundays, including shopkeepers. Most supermarkets are open till about 8-0'clockthese days in the week. That said, if the profit levels aren't worth it stores won't open for fun. Since 1994 it all changed, but I suspect, given the choice few folk would actually want to work if they didn't have to.

The sabbath thing is why I'd have no problem with folk not being able to be made to work Sundays, like they aren't Bank Holidays, but let's be honest, there's enough who aren't religious, and certainly enough who do don't take the sabbath literally to mean a law against working, or working more than 6 hours on a Sunday is outdated.

The point with your last line is that they should be 'given the choice'. What seems daft is the other argument against is to protect workers, but nowadays that many people work shifts over all seven days that it is again outdated. Not only that the people who would be working those long hours, normally small family owned shops often are open anyway.

[Prufrock]

What's the point of it?! I could even understand a law saying people could not be required to work Sundays in order to preserve the rights of folk who want to go to church, but to go the other way and say they can't if they want?

Quite the opposite Pru. "Six days shalt thou labour, on on the seventh thou shalt rest" was meant to give everybody a rest on Sundays, including shopkeepers. Most supermarkets are open till about 8-0'clockthese days in the week. That said, if the profit levels aren't worth it stores won't open for fun. Since 1994 it all changed, but I suspect, given the choice few folk would actually want to work if they didn't have to.

The superstores aren't allowed to open after 16:00. Trafford Centre stops at 18:00. The superstore thing I believe is "law" rather choice.

I think it's six hours open they're allowed. Normally either 10-4 or 11-5. I think there are rules on how long you can have people at work when the shop isn't open as well, but I don't know them if there are. Why can't it just be treated the same as Saturday?

[Prufrock]

If you have a cut-price book store near you, you can get the Complete Works of Shakespeare for about £15.

I was only using Shakespeare as a point, though thanks for the tip. Next time I have £15 that's where I'll be off .

Could just hop to Gutenberg.org and get the lot for nowt.

I can't read stuff in that quantity on a computer screen. Pretty much every Classics book is at perseus.tufts.edu but I had to get the book forms out.

DL 'em from there and print them out at work. top job!

Well, for that, I'd need a job. And one with more technological equipment than several pumps, a fridge, and a dishwasher!

[Bruce Rioja]

Took some overseas visitors around the John Ryland this avvy. Does anyone go in there to read or does everyone (like me, I must add) go to gawp in wonder at the neo-gothic architecture?

Anyway - books. Someone bought for me at Christmas Jellyman's Thrown a Wobbly which is Jeff Stelling's book about Sky Television's Soccer Saturday thing. Someone else recently berated me for not having read it yet, claiming it to be laugh-out-loud-funny. As such, whilst I was on holiday last week I got stuck into it. Currently I'm 200 pages into what is only a 300 page book anyway and I think I've laughed twice.

[Prufrock]

Took some overseas visitors around the John Ryland this avvy. Does anyone go in there to read or does everyone (like me, I must add) go to gawp in wonder at the neo-gothic architecture?

Anyway - books. Someone bought for me at Christmas Jellyman's Thrown a Wobbly which is Jeff Stelling's book about Sky Television's Soccer Saturday thing. Someone else recently berated me for not having read it yet, claiming it to be laugh-out-loud-funny. As such, whilst I was on holiday last week I got stuck into it. Currently I'm 200 pages into what is only a 300 page book anyway and I think I've laughed twice.

It's one of the ones I did manage to get from the library. It's not bad, but I really don't think he transfers well from TV to print. It all seems a bit too self-congratulatory, and in certain parts a bit repetitive. As I say though I wouldn't discourage anyone from reading it, there are some interesting stories and I don't feel it dragged, but equally I wouldn't rave about it from the rooftops, nor describe it as 'laugh out loud funny'. On the other hand I'm halfway through Mark Twain's 'Diaries of Adam and Eve', and that is laugh out loud funny. From what I've read so far I'd recommend it.

[Prufrock]

Since I have never read it cover to cover, tonight, I shall be starting to read, The Holy Bible.

[Bruce Rioja]

Took some overseas visitors around the John Ryland this avvy. Does anyone go in there to read or does everyone (like me, I must add) go to gawp in wonder at the neo-gothic architecture?

Anyway - books. Someone bought for me at Christmas Jellyman's Thrown a Wobbly which is Jeff Stelling's book about Sky Television's Soccer Saturday thing. Someone else recently berated me for not having read it yet, claiming it to be laugh-out-loud-funny. As such, whilst I was on holiday last week I got stuck into it. Currently I'm 200 pages into what is only a 300 page book anyway and I think I've laughed twice.

It's one of the ones I did manage to get from the library. It's not bad, but I really don't think he transfers well from TV to print. It all seems a bit too self-congratulatory, and in certain parts a bit repetitive. As I say though I wouldn't discourage anyone from reading it, there are some interesting stories and I don't feel it dragged, but equally I wouldn't rave about it from the rooftops, nor describe it as 'laugh out loud funny'. On the other hand I'm halfway through Mark Twain's 'Diaries of Adam and Eve', and that is laugh out loud funny. From what I've read so far I'd recommend it.

Is an absolutey 100% bob-on description of it.

[TANGODANCER]

Since I have never read it cover to cover, tonight, I shall be starting to read, The Holy Bible.

Your views on this should be compulsive reading for all. Can't wait.

[Bruce Rioja]

Since I have never read it cover to cover, tonight, I shall be starting to read, The Holy Bible.

Your views on this should be compulsive reading for all. Can't wait.

Why the laughter?

[TANGODANCER]

Since I have never read it cover to cover, tonight, I shall be starting to read, The Holy Bible.

Your views on this should be compulsive reading for all. Can't wait.

Why the laughter?

Forgive my little burst of humour. Twas just the mental picture of Pru in his pink dressing gown quaffing a glass of France's finest and reading " Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery". Ephesians 5 alone could nullify the whole of The -Wanderer website. Sorry.

[Prufrock]

Since I have never read it cover to cover, tonight, I shall be starting to read, The Holy Bible.

Your views on this should be compulsive reading for all. Can't wait.

Why the laughter?

Forgive my little burst of humour. Twas just the mental picture of Pru in his pink dressing gown quaffing a glass of France's finest and reading " Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery". Ephesians 5 alone could nullify the whole of The -Wanderer website. Sorry.

Don't worry TD, I'm reading, and treating it as a work of fiction. Old Testament is like Homer, New Testament is like Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I guess.

Anyway, I think since it has formed opinions and decisions for so long and for so many I thought it would be interesting to read. So far I am up to Genesis 10 and have learnt that: Apparently, before the whole creation thing, the entire universe was water, and the sky was made to seperate the earthy water, and the spacey water. Also, I assume the nutjobs who take it literally, believed it's a factual account and hate gays also eat halal/kosher meat, as it says you can't eat meat with blood in it, for life is in the blood.

Anyway, so far I'm surprised at how much Genesis reads like a fiction story book, and you can see the parallels with lot's of other ancient works.

[Puskas]

you can't eat meat with blood in it, for life is in the blood.

You can't eat black pudding? I knew there was a reason I didn't go in for this religion stuff.

If I were you, I'd skip the dull bits, and just read the sex and violence.

[TANGODANCER]

Don't worry TD, I'm reading, and treating it as a work of fiction. Old Testament is like Homer, New Testament is like Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I guess.

. Also, I assume the nutjobs who take it literally, believed it's a factual account and hate gays also eat halal/kosher meat, as it says you can't eat meat with blood in it, for life is in the blood.
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Romans 14-12, , New Testament, on the topic of food and drink. sees it it a bit differently: "Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves".

[Prufrock]

Don't worry TD, I'm reading, and treating it as a work of fiction. Old Testament is like Homer, New Testament is like Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I guess.

. Also, I assume the nutjobs who take it literally, believed it's a factual account and hate gays also eat halal/kosher meat, as it says you can't eat meat with blood in it, for life is in the blood.
.

Romans 14-12, , New Testament, on the topic of food and drink. sees it it a bit differently: "Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves".

Bible in contradicting itself shocker

Anyway, I'm only reading that slowly, and on the side. Today I went back to the library. I feel I did it a disservice last week. They had two exhibition displays on, and it turns out a load more books, randomly put on spinny things at the side, in no particular order. Annoying if you are in a rush, but quite fun to have a look through. Anyway I came back with 'Hound of the Baskervilles', which I have somehow never read, Kerouac 'On the Road', and 'Bad Astronomy', which I assume is inspired by Bad Science, though it isn't by that guy. Also in the spinny things I found The Day Watch by Sergei Lukyathingy. So they did have it. They'd just hidden it

[Puskas]

Don't worry TD, I'm reading, and treating it as a work of fiction. Old Testament is like Homer, New Testament is like Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I guess.

. Also, I assume the nutjobs who take it literally, believed it's a factual account and hate gays also eat halal/kosher meat, as it says you can't eat meat with blood in it, for life is in the blood.
.

Romans 14-12, , New Testament, on the topic of food and drink. sees it it a bit differently: "Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves".

Bible in contradicting itself shocker

Anyway, I'm only reading that slowly, and on the side. Today I went back to the library. I feel I did it a disservice last week. They had two exhibition displays on, and it turns out a load more books, randomly put on spinny things at the side, in no particular order. Annoying if you are in a rush, but quite fun to have a look through. Anyway I came back with 'Hound of the Baskervilles', which I have somehow never read, Kerouac 'On the Road', and 'Bad Astronomy', which I assume is inspired by Bad Science, though it isn't by that guy. Also in the spinny things I found The Day Watch by Sergei Lukyathingy. So they did have it. They'd just hidden it

Bad Astronomy was written rather before Goldacre started his Bad Science columns. It's good, though - takes a look at nonsensical beliefs that have had a degree of fashion in the history of astronomy.
There's a companion volume called Bad Medicine which is also worth a read.

[Verbal]

Since I have never read it cover to cover, tonight, I shall be starting to read, The Holy Bible.

I mean Richey Edwards's lyrics were good, but reading the CD cover in minute detail is a bit much.

[Verbal]

Revisited David Simon's Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets last week.

Still as brilliant as ever.