still no cap for cahil

[thebish]

I also think Capello is robbing the FA and therefore football in this country of 6M a year, and it makes me angry.

if that's what the FA offered him - then he can hardly be accused of robbery...

They offered it him on the basis he did the required job.

They've since had to ask him to "work a bit harder".

For me he's stealing a living here.

and he has - he has managed England. In what way has he not done his job?

The required job will be a bit more than turn up at games and pick a squad, and you know it!

Like any manager his job performance is judged on results.

But also by the work he puts in. Which seemingly is NOT up to the FA requirements, otherwise they'd not have had to tell him to "work a bit harder".

he is judged on results - but unless you are suggesting otherwise - the FA did NOT offer him £6million "depending on results" - did they?

[BWFC_Insane]

if that's what the FA offered him - then he can hardly be accused of robbery...

They offered it him on the basis he did the required job.

They've since had to ask him to "work a bit harder".

For me he's stealing a living here.

and he has - he has managed England. In what way has he not done his job?

The required job will be a bit more than turn up at games and pick a squad, and you know it!

Like any manager his job performance is judged on results.

But also by the work he puts in. Which seemingly is NOT up to the FA requirements, otherwise they'd not have had to tell him to "work a bit harder".

he is judged on results - but unless you are suggesting otherwise - the FA did NOT offer him £6million "depending on results" - did they?

But he will have a Job Description and a set of objectives that he will be required to meet and perform well against.

Like any job.

[thebish]

But he will have a Job Description and a set of objectives that he will be required to meet and perform well against.

Like any job.

so you're backing off the "results" clause...

which bits of this job description did neglect?

[boltonboris]

As soon as he signs for Arsenal, he'll be starting... With the feckin' armband on

[BWFC_Insane]

But he will have a Job Description and a set of objectives that he will be required to meet and perform well against.

Like any job.

so you're backing off the "results" clause...

which bits of this job description did neglect?

You're being deliberately obtuse now.

You know full well that he isn't appointed on the basis of "do what you want". He has certain expectations in his own personal performance as well as the teams performance.

Now lets forget about England's results for a second because that actually isn't my main worry.

What I'm angry about is the lack of effort he quite obviously puts into the job. IF he was performing as the FA wanted WHY did they have to have a meeting with him to discuss his performance and request he has a "higher profile" and in essence works a "bit harder".

The contract is not "here is 6M for you to be England manager and as long as you pick the squad and turn up at matches and sit on the bench you keep getting paid unquestionably" which is what you are making it out as.

The FA will be able to terminate his contract for a whole variety of reasons. In addition they will be able to pay it up and sack him.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

You're being deliberately obtuse now.

What, the Bish?!

Never!

[as]

Playing for Bolton will always hinder Cahill, we're just not fashionable* enough.

The shocker for me is that Bobby Zamora has played international football for England

* not a club that SSN, the Laaaahndan meeja or glory-hunters care about

As for Capello - I can't get over the 'I pick players on form, not reputation' comment - before taking a bunch of crocks and big-name players to SA. The bloke is a cúnt, and those retards from the FA want stringing up for paying him £6,000,000 a year.

[boltonboris]

Playing for Bolton will always hinder Cahill, we're just not fashionable* enough.

The shocker for me is that Bobby Zamora has played international football for England

* not a club that SSN, the Laaaahndan meeja or glory-hunters care about

As for Capello - I can't get over the 'I pick players on form, not reputation' comment - before taking a bunch of crocks and big-name players to SA. The bloke is a cúnt, and those retards from the FA want stringing up for paying him £6,000,000 a year.

I thought he played superbly well and should be a shoe-in for the Qualifier in September

[thebish]

But he will have a Job Description and a set of objectives that he will be required to meet and perform well against.

Like any job.

so you're backing off the "results" clause...

which bits of this job description did neglect?

You're being deliberately obtuse now.

You know full well that he isn't appointed on the basis of "do what you want". He has certain expectations in his own personal performance as well as the teams performance.

Now lets forget about England's results for a second because that actually isn't my main worry.

What I'm angry about is the lack of effort he quite obviously puts into the job.

you see - I don't think that is obvious at all - what exactly do you mean - more effort? in what way should he put more effort in?

[seanworth]

Playing for Bolton will always hinder Cahill, we're just not fashionable* enough.

The shocker for me is that Bobby Zamora has played international football for England

* not a club that SSN, the Laaaahndan meeja or glory-hunters care about

As for Capello - I can't get over the 'I pick players on form, not reputation' comment - before taking a bunch of crocks and big-name players to SA. The bloke is a cúnt, and those retards from the FA want stringing up for paying him £6,000,000 a year.

This is my bitch with him as he did not back up his claim. If he is so conservative that he is afraid to blood new players in meaningful games and tournaments, then yesterday was the perfect time for Cahill to get a game in.

[BWFC_Insane]

But he will have a Job Description and a set of objectives that he will be required to meet and perform well against.

Like any job.

so you're backing off the "results" clause...

which bits of this job description did neglect?

You're being deliberately obtuse now.

You know full well that he isn't appointed on the basis of "do what you want". He has certain expectations in his own personal performance as well as the teams performance.

Now lets forget about England's results for a second because that actually isn't my main worry.

What I'm angry about is the lack of effort he quite obviously puts into the job.

you see - I don't think that is obvious at all - what exactly do you mean - more effort? in what way should he put more effort in?

Firstly he should actually talk to the players himself. If he wanted Scholes for example he should have made a bit of effort and spoken to him face to face.

He didn't speak to any of the players he called up for the latest squad and was embarrassed when two of them turned him down. How hard is it to check that players who are 30 years old still want to play for you?

Secondly he hasn't attended pre-season training of any club to see what they do, how the players look, learn ideas, build relationships etc...

Thirdly he should have been at the U19 tournament over the summer.

But they're my opinions. Doesn't change the fact that the FA told him they wanted more effort from him. They're his employers.

[thebish]

But they're my opinions. Doesn't change the fact that the FA told him they wanted more effort from him. They're his employers.

and they haven't invoked any cut in his pay that depended on a job description being fulfilled. they offered him £6mill - he accepted. It isn't robbery - it's being paid whatb you were offered.

If you think it is too much - which I do - then the fault is with the FA.

[blurred]

Thirdly he should have been at the U19 tournament over the summer.

Why, exactly? He's not going to work with any of these players for years, if at all. Does Coyle go to all the Bolton youth games? Does he feck, he gets people to manage and coach and watch them and report back to him.

[Bruce Rioja]

If you think it is too much - which I do - then the fault is with the FA.

It is also the fault of the FA that they showed just what a bunch of pussies they are before the World Cup when offering him a new deal. The FA insisted on a clause saying that either side is free to walk away without penalty for a certain period after the finals. Capello digs his heels in, The Inter Milan job gets mentioned and the FA's collective arse falls out.

[CrazyHorse]

Thirdly he should have been at the U19 tournament over the summer.

Why, exactly? He's not going to work with any of these players for years, if at all. Does Coyle go to all the Bolton youth games? Does he feck, he gets people to manage and coach and watch them and report back to him.

blurred, how come for someone who claims to have no interest in England you're all over just about every single England thread like a bad rash?

[blurred]

blurred, how come for someone who claims to have no interest in England you're all over just about every single England thread like a bad rash?

I read many things (professional curiosity you might say) and don't always reply, but feel compelled to point out where I think people are talking shit.

And I do have little to no interest in England, but that doesn't mean I don't find the frothing at the mouth of those who do irritating/amusing, though.

[BWFC_Insane]

Thirdly he should have been at the U19 tournament over the summer.

Why, exactly? He's not going to work with any of these players for years, if at all. Does Coyle go to all the Bolton youth games? Does he feck, he gets people to manage and coach and watch them and report back to him.

I think there is a substantial difference between a club manager and an international manager. Coyle does attend some youth games yet his inolvement is day to day.

At the very least he'd learn a little about the young players in England, and a little about what was coming through elsewhere. He might also pick up some new ideas about tactics or preparation or coaching.

There was nothing to lose by going and everything to gain. If only a little respect from the people paying him.

[blurred]

At the very least he'd learn a little about the young players in England, and a little about what was coming through elsewhere.

Why does he need to know this, though? Why does he need to attend the Championships to find out? Why is there the call for Fabio to attend this when previous managers haven't?

He might also pick up some new ideas about tactics or preparation or coaching.

I'm sure that Fabio will be picking the brain of the former Exeter City and Stoke City Academy manager that is now managing the England U19s for tactical and preparation advice that he hasn't learned in picking up 6 Serie A titles, 2 La Ligas and 1 Champions League.

[BWFC_Insane]

At the very least he'd learn a little about the young players in England, and a little about what was coming through elsewhere.

Why does he need to know this, though? Why does he need to attend the Championships to find out? Why is there the call for Fabio to attend this when previous managers haven't?

He might also pick up some new ideas about tactics or preparation or coaching.

I'm sure that Fabio will be picking the brain of the former Exeter City and Stoke City Academy manager that is now managing the England U19s for tactical and preparation advice that he hasn't learned in picking up 6 Serie A titles, 2 La Ligas and 1 Champions League.

I think its just something we'll have to agree to disagree on. For me its not just about "what would he get out of it". Its about showing he is determined to get things right, determined to earn his salary and determined to put faith in younger English players.

Its also about the image he portrays to the English fans.

On his salary those things are important.

And you can pretend as much as you want they aren't, and that football is totally different to everything else.

But there is nowhere else you can earn significant money, make a complete balls up of the major project you're being asked to do, then go on holiday for over a month, then come back as though nothings happened and carry on!

[blurred]

But there is nowhere else you can earn significant money, make a complete balls up of the major project you're being asked to do, then go on holiday for over a month, then come back as though nothings happened and carry on!

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