Today I'm angry about.....

[thebish]

the underlying point about life experience is of course valid - BUT... I doubt it can be artificially manufactured.

[Bruce Rioja]

Not many of those who write the laws do so from experience of breaking them either I'd assume. I think I might know most of this slightly better than you amigo, you'd better belive it.

Are you The Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales, Tango? You kept that quiet!

[BWFC_Insane]

Do you have to experience something first hand to manage/run it/pass sentence on it?

I'm really not sure you do.

I've managed things that I haven't had any significant practical experience of or with and not suffered significantly for it.

Aye but the rest of your work colleagues may well have.

I think it's generally better to have people who understand stuff, managing it. That's not to say all people who understand stuff make good managers, but a manager who happens to understand it first hand too, I usually find better.

See sometimes I think its an advantage not to understand something. Sometimes that lets you ask stupid questions that turn into quite sensible ones that nobody else has asked.

I've managed things as well that I've been familiar with and like you say that presents its own advantages the down side being you sometimes don't get the "fresh perspective" and also sometimes you are tempted to stray from what you should be doing as you know the operational side so well.

However, I don't think first hand experience is necessarily a pre-requisite. Though as you say, my staff in the past probably disagree!

[Worthy4England]

Of course it isn't the same! But what is the alternative, have a group of 'folk from council estates, salt of the earth don't you know' knock the fook out of them for a bit before they are allowed their own gavel?

Sentencing may well be the jurisdiction of the Lord Chief Justice but it isn't as if all judges are a mono-personality group with all the same views on everything. A judge trying a case is still limited by sentencing guidlines and rules he or she didn't write. Like all people some of them are 'softer' than others.

The ones I've had personal experience of, have all been particularly soulless, miserable, bastards.

See, there's that "experienced it first hand" thing, coming into play again.

I have no major problem with the overall way the judiciary works, but we do have the odd judgement/summing up that shows some of them have little concept of real world.

[Worthy4England]

Do you have to experience something first hand to manage/run it/pass sentence on it?

I'm really not sure you do.

I've managed things that I haven't had any significant practical experience of or with and not suffered significantly for it.

Aye but the rest of your work colleagues may well have.

I think it's generally better to have people who understand stuff, managing it. That's not to say all people who understand stuff make good managers, but a manager who happens to understand it first hand too, I usually find better.

See sometimes I think its an advantage not to understand something.

That's why we have Directors.

[thebish]

I think the SENTIMENT of "life experience" seems to make sense.

my problem is - how on earth to you translate it into the real world Tango?

a man sitting in judgement over a male rapist (it would have to be a male judge to have had the "male" experience) - would he have had to have been a convicted rapist at some point in his previous life?

if he had been - then you would seem to be advocating letting him out quite quickly so that he could then do all the training in order to gather the legal knowledge in order to become a judge.

could that same judge also judge an armed robbery - would he also have had to have been a convicted armed robber?

surely he'd have spent his entire life in jail - in which case - how would he ever get to BE a judge?

does the same apply to policemen?

[TANGODANCER]

Not many of those who write the laws do so from experience of breaking them either I'd assume. I think I might know most of this slightly better than you amigo, you'd better belive it.

Are you The Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales, Tango? You kept that quiet!

No, but I might have met a few of his mates.

[TANGODANCER]

I think the SENTIMENT of "life experience" seems to make sense.

my problem is - how on earth to you translate it into the real world Tango?
a man sitting in judgement over a male rapist (it would have to be a male judge to have had the "male" experience) - would he have had to have been a convicted rapist at some point in his previous life?

if he had been - then you would seem to be advocating letting him out quite quickly so that he could then do all the training in order to gather the legal knowledge in order to become a judge.

could that same judge also judge an armed robbery - would he also have had to have been a convicted armed robber?

surely he'd have spent his entire life in jail - in which case - how would he ever get to BE a judge?

does the same apply to policemen?

Unfortunately, you can't. It's all down to the conceps of right and wrong we learn as kids. And that's where most of the problems start.

[Worthy4England]

The original point of course was whether a bloke that's never got his arse outside of the rarefied atmosphere of an Oxford college, could understand why someone who had nowt, might be inclined to believe in some sort of supreme being.

That said, there's plenty of people in business (not just the judiciary) who get appointments based on the fact that they've been to a University, that people on the shop floor think have no conception of the business.

When we take on grads, any that work for me, go out and get some grounding (as I think now happens in a lot of businesses) on what life's like on the shop floor.

We could of course apply that to the judiciary by making them all go live in some random places prior to taking on their appointment.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the SENTIMENT of "life experience" seems to make sense.

my problem is - how on earth to you translate it into the real world Tango?
a man sitting in judgement over a male rapist (it would have to be a male judge to have had the "male" experience) - would he have had to have been a convicted rapist at some point in his previous life?

if he had been - then you would seem to be advocating letting him out quite quickly so that he could then do all the training in order to gather the legal knowledge in order to become a judge.

could that same judge also judge an armed robbery - would he also have had to have been a convicted armed robber?

surely he'd have spent his entire life in jail - in which case - how would he ever get to BE a judge?

does the same apply to policemen?

Unfortunately, you can't. It's all down to the conceps of right and wrong we learn as kids. And that's where most of the problems start.

Beatings, they're the future!

[Worthy4England]

I think the SENTIMENT of "life experience" seems to make sense.

my problem is - how on earth to you translate it into the real world Tango?
a man sitting in judgement over a male rapist (it would have to be a male judge to have had the "male" experience) - would he have had to have been a convicted rapist at some point in his previous life?

if he had been - then you would seem to be advocating letting him out quite quickly so that he could then do all the training in order to gather the legal knowledge in order to become a judge.

could that same judge also judge an armed robbery - would he also have had to have been a convicted armed robber?

surely he'd have spent his entire life in jail - in which case - how would he ever get to BE a judge?

does the same apply to policemen?

Unfortunately, you can't. It's all down to the conceps of right and wrong we learn as kids. And that's where most of the problems start.

Beatings, they're the future!

Excellent idea!

[thebish]

I think the SENTIMENT of "life experience" seems to make sense.

my problem is - how on earth to you translate it into the real world Tango?
a man sitting in judgement over a male rapist (it would have to be a male judge to have had the "male" experience) - would he have had to have been a convicted rapist at some point in his previous life?

if he had been - then you would seem to be advocating letting him out quite quickly so that he could then do all the training in order to gather the legal knowledge in order to become a judge.

could that same judge also judge an armed robbery - would he also have had to have been a convicted armed robber?

surely he'd have spent his entire life in jail - in which case - how would he ever get to BE a judge?

does the same apply to policemen?

Unfortunately, you can't. It's all down to the conceps of right and wrong we learn as kids. And that's where most of the problems start.

oh.....

but earlier you SEEMED to be suggesting that there WAS something you could do...

Much like my claim that all judges should live at least two years on a housing estate before dispensing justice on criminals.

[TANGODANCER]

I think the SENTIMENT of "life experience" seems to make sense.

my problem is - how on earth to you translate it into the real world Tango?
a man sitting in judgement over a male rapist (it would have to be a male judge to have had the "male" experience) - would he have had to have been a convicted rapist at some point in his previous life?

if he had been - then you would seem to be advocating letting him out quite quickly so that he could then do all the training in order to gather the legal knowledge in order to become a judge.

could that same judge also judge an armed robbery - would he also have had to have been a convicted armed robber?

surely he'd have spent his entire life in jail - in which case - how would he ever get to BE a judge?

does the same apply to policemen?

Unfortunately, you can't. It's all down to the conceps of right and wrong we learn as kids. And that's where most of the problems start.

oh.....

but earlier you SEEMED to be suggesting that there WAS something you could do...

Much like my claim that all judges should live at least two years on a housing estate before dispensing justice on criminals.

The reality of which is as likely as my claim, as I'm sure you well know. No debate needed.

[Harry Genshaw]

One of the 'joys' of driving home during the school holidays is all the bloody road works that start. Tonight, I'm queuing again for the umpteenth consecutive night on Moss Bank way approaching the lights at Smithills Road. Some twot in an Audi who's too important to queue sails up the inside lane and then pops his indicator on at the last minute. That made me mad.

Somebody let him in. That made it worse

[hisroyalgingerness]

That problem would go away if folk didn't let em in

[Lord Kangana]

I don't.

Just to see their near-explosion-expression-at-this-tw*t-who-won't-let-me-in.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

That new Sky Sports News format...

Fck me, you need some kind of super eye sight to see the goals coming up on the viddy-printer bit at the bottom.

In fact, if Superman was there watching it, he'd be elbowing you going 'what's that say, is that Hartlepool or Liverpool'?

I spent all last night sat 3 centimetres from the screen. I only usually do that for porn.

Bah. Don't like it.

[BWFC_Insane]

That new Sky Sports News format...

Fck me, you need some kind of super eye sight to see the goals coming up on the viddy-printer bit at the bottom.

In fact, if Superman was there watching it, he'd be elbowing you going 'what's that say, is that Hartlepool or Liverpool'?

I spent all last night sat 3 centimetres from the screen. I only usually do that for porn.

Bah. Don't like it.

Looked ok on mine.

Were you watching in HD?

I'm having a guess that its now designed for HD.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Dont think so, do i have to start paying more money per month now just to be able to see things properly without getting square eyes?

Fck you Sky. If it wasnt for Hayley McQueen jugs i'd be extremely angry..

[Gary the Enfield]

Dont think so, do i have to start paying more money per month now just to be able to see things properly without getting square eyes?

Fck you Sky. If it wasnt for Hayley McQueen jugs i'd be extremely angry..

Daughter of Gordon? That Hayley?