Euro 2012 qualifiers...

[jmjhb]

Scotland struggling to a 1-1 draw to Liechtenstein.

[TANGODANCER]

Kids did good, their dads' not so good against the ten man Toblerones. Rooney looked jaded and, his goal apart won little and his passing was woeful. Glen Johnson is a Jeckyl and Hyde with more Hyde than Jeckyl these days. The Swiss passing was excellent and their goal a real cracker. Good job they didn't get much in the way of shots. Milner never stopped running till he was subbed and Adam Johnson was top notch. 3-1 flattered us a bit IMO.

[jmjhb]

97th minute winner for Scotland! Last touch of the game

[Little Green Man]

Oof, a get out of Barlinnie free card for Scotland. A win with virtually the last kick and they top the group.

[Prufrock]

Kids did good, their dads' not so good against the ten man Toblerones. Rooney looked jaded and, his goal apart won little and his passing was woeful. Glen Johnson is a Jeckyl and Hyde with more Hyde than Jeckyl these days. The Swiss passing was excellent and their goal a real cracker. Good job they didn't get much in the way of shots. Milner never stopped running till he was subbed and Adam Johnson was top notch. 3-1 flattered us a bit IMO.

Funny how two people can watch the same thing and see it so differently! I thought we were excellent first half, absolutely dominated, moved it quickly and sharply. Second half not as incisive, but solid at the back, and did enough going forwards. Thought the ball had gone out for their red card, though it was a fecking stupid tackle. Ref not the best, Cole's booking and the one for their big bastard centre half they both got the ball, though I think Johnson had already been fouled with a tug so maybe that card was for dissent. They're pretty enough at the back but no cutting edge, and wonder goal aside never threatened. Joe Hart had a shaky five mins with two crosses but otherwise solid. Tough team Switzerland, and a comfortable win is not to be sniffed at.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Oof, a get out of Barlinnie free card for Scotland. A win with virtually the last kick and they top the group.

Head actually.

[Prufrock]

Oof, a get out of Barlinnie free card for Scotland. A win with virtually the last kick and they top the group.

The jammy feckers. Not only that, Czech Republic have gone to shite, lost at home to Lithuania, Scotland could ever get a play-off out of this. Can't see it, but it's possible.

[Bruce Rioja]

Kids did good, their dads' not so good against the ten man Toblerones. Rooney looked jaded and, his goal apart won little and his passing was woeful. Glen Johnson is a Jeckyl and Hyde with more Hyde than Jeckyl these days. The Swiss passing was excellent and their goal a real cracker. Good job they didn't get much in the way of shots. Milner never stopped running till he was subbed and Adam Johnson was top notch. 3-1 flattered us a bit IMO.

What? Rooney looked jaded? He was even back as far as just in front of Lescott many a time and was still up with every attack. If I were to offer any criticism of our display tonight then it would be to do with the balls into the box.

[TANGODANCER]

Kids did good, their dads' not so good against the ten man Toblerones. Rooney looked jaded and, his goal apart won little and his passing was woeful. Glen Johnson is a Jeckyl and Hyde with more Hyde than Jeckyl these days. The Swiss passing was excellent and their goal a real cracker. Good job they didn't get much in the way of shots. Milner never stopped running till he was subbed and Adam Johnson was top notch. 3-1 flattered us a bit IMO.

Funny how two people can watch the same thing and see it so differently! I thought we were excellent first half, absolutely dominated, moved it quickly and sharply. Second half not as incisive, but solid at the back, and did enough going forwards. Thought the ball had gone out for their red card, though it was a fecking stupid tackle. Ref not the best, Cole's booking and the one for their big bastard centre half they both got the ball, though I think Johnson had already been fouled with a tug so maybe that card was for dissent. They're pretty enough at the back but no cutting edge, and wonder goal aside never threatened. Joe Hart had a shaky five mins with two crosses but otherwise solid. Tough team Switzerland, and a comfortable win is not to be sniffed at.

Well, I'll agree about the ref Pru. We had our usual degree of half-paced arrogance and if we play like that aginst the top sides we'll get murdered. How many fifty-fifty balls did we lose and how many times did two of our defenders screw it up against one of theirs? I saw it as a win, but not a comfortable one. Don't think Capello did either.

[Little Green Man]

Oof, a get out of Barlinnie free card for Scotland. A win with virtually the last kick and they top the group.

Head actually.

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[NorthernSoulBWFC]

Never seen a sight more pathetic in football than Scotland's football manager jumping around like he'd witnessed his side win the World Cup when they beat LIECHTENSTEIN, a country of about 70 people. I mean England can be pretty rubbish at times but Scotland redefine the term awful. Remember when they drew with the Faroe Islands a few years back? That was a great day.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Kids did good, their dads' not so good against the ten man Toblerones. Rooney looked jaded and, his goal apart won little and his passing was woeful. Glen Johnson is a Jeckyl and Hyde with more Hyde than Jeckyl these days. The Swiss passing was excellent and their goal a real cracker. Good job they didn't get much in the way of shots. Milner never stopped running till he was subbed and Adam Johnson was top notch. 3-1 flattered us a bit IMO.

What? Rooney looked jaded? He was even back as far as just in front of Lescott many a time and was still up with every attack. If I were to offer any criticism of our display tonight then it would be to do with the balls into the box.

Which isn't an area of concern when your main striker is 5'9 or whatever Defoe is. Adam Johnson looked good, but his propensity for going to ground at every opportunity is incredibly annoying. I thought Milner was poor, and was not at all sorry to see Walcott go off - gives us a fighting chance at weekend anyway.

[Bruce Rioja]

Never seen a sight more pathetic in football than Scotland's football manager jumping around like he'd witnessed his side win the World Cup when they beat LIECHTENSTEIN, a country of about 70 people. I mean England can be pretty rubbish at times but Scotland redefine the term awful. Remember when they drew with the Faroe Islands a few years back? That was a great day.

"That was a game that was set up for us to slip on a banana skin" said Liechtenstein coach Hans-Peter Zaugg.


BTW - In 2009, the estimated population of Liechtenstien was 35,789.

Last night at Hampden Park the attendance was 37,050.

[thebish]

Never seen a sight more pathetic in football than Scotland's football manager jumping around like he'd witnessed his side win the World Cup when they beat LIECHTENSTEIN, a country of about 70 people. I mean England can be pretty rubbish at times but Scotland redefine the term awful. Remember when they drew with the Faroe Islands a few years back? That was a great day.

"That was a game that was set up for us to slip on a banana skin" said Liechtenstein coach Hans-Peter Zaugg.


BTW - In 2009, the estimated population of Liechtenstien was 35,789.

Last night at Hampden Park the attendance was 37,050.

cracking statistic!

[boltonboris]

I'm with Pru regarding the game last night. We were excellent for the majority of the game. I was guted that Lescott started, but he played well. Cashley was superb. Rooney, just as good. Adam Johnson was the game changer though, he really put the Swiss on the back foot and we looked threatening whenever he was involved. Barry was a bit slow and leggy but every other outfield player played well.

Let's not forget that the Swiss barely condeded a goal in the qualifiers and during the last World Cup, broke a world record for the most minutes without conceding. they also the only team to have beaten Spain in the last 175 years, before the Argentines whacked 'em for 4.

We made a good side look very, very ordinary. But hey it's England, let's cain them

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm with Pru regarding the game last night. We were excellent for the majority of the game. I was guted that Lescott started, but he played well. Cashley was superb. Rooney, just as good. Adam Johnson was the game changer though, he really put the Swiss on the back foot and we looked threatening whenever he was involved. Barry was a bit slow and leggy but every other outfield player played well.

Let's not forget that the Swiss barely condeded a goal in the qualifiers and during the last World Cup, broke a world record for the most minutes without conceding. they also the only team to have beaten Spain in the last 175 years, before the Argentines whacked 'em for 4.

We made a good side look very, very ordinary. But hey it's England, let's cain them

Folk said similar when we beat Croatia away.

End of the day the frustration is we're clearly good enough to perform 1000 times better than we did in the world cup. Not only results wise but performance wise as well. But the players and manager for whatever reason messed up when it actually mattered.

People are fed up of the same old same old, we all know that when Terry/Lampard etc are fit they'll be back in despite the results without them. We also know all the talk of bringing youth through, changing of the guard, a fresh start, was a total crock of shit.

I'm not knocking the result or the performance last night, they were both very good, but I still maintain that Capello doesn't really give a toss and neither does he really know what he's doing in this particular job.

[Lofthouse Lower]

I'm with Pru regarding the game last night. We were excellent for the majority of the game. I was guted that Lescott started, but he played well. Cashley was superb. Rooney, just as good. Adam Johnson was the game changer though, he really put the Swiss on the back foot and we looked threatening whenever he was involved. Barry was a bit slow and leggy but every other outfield player played well.

Let's not forget that the Swiss barely condeded a goal in the qualifiers and during the last World Cup, broke a world record for the most minutes without conceding. they also the only team to have beaten Spain in the last 175 years, before the Argentines whacked 'em for 4.

We made a good side look very, very ordinary. But hey it's England, let's cain them

You're giving them far too much credit there. Switzerland may have fluked past Spain in the WC, but they then went on to lose to Chile and draw with Paraguay - not only that, they've only scored four goals in ten games, so it's obvious that their defensive frugality is their only trick. England did what was necessary to win, but even at 0-1 they still had a mental ten minutes when they could easily have conceded - which will always be the case as long as Johnson is in the back four.

[boltonboris]

I'm with Pru regarding the game last night. We were excellent for the majority of the game. I was guted that Lescott started, but he played well. Cashley was superb. Rooney, just as good. Adam Johnson was the game changer though, he really put the Swiss on the back foot and we looked threatening whenever he was involved. Barry was a bit slow and leggy but every other outfield player played well.

Let's not forget that the Swiss barely condeded a goal in the qualifiers and during the last World Cup, broke a world record for the most minutes without conceding. they also the only team to have beaten Spain in the last 175 years, before the Argentines whacked 'em for 4.

We made a good side look very, very ordinary. But hey it's England, let's cain them

You're giving them far too much credit there. Switzerland may have fluked past Spain in the WC, but they then went on to lose to Chile and draw with Paraguay - not only that, they've only scored four goals in ten games, so it's obvious that their defensive frugality is their only trick. England did what was necessary to win, but even at 0-1 they still had a mental ten minutes when they could easily have conceded - which will always be the case as long as Johnson is in the back four.

We stuck 3 past them and could have had more.. Is that not a sign?

We're a top side, no doubt. But we don't have the mentality to do it when it counts. It's an English thing. Fear of failure. I blame Mars (bars), The Sun (paper), The Beeb and every fan who states "this is our year" convenienty over looking the fact that we're putting far too much pressure on a group of blokes

[Lofthouse Lower]

I'm with Pru regarding the game last night. We were excellent for the majority of the game. I was guted that Lescott started, but he played well. Cashley was superb. Rooney, just as good. Adam Johnson was the game changer though, he really put the Swiss on the back foot and we looked threatening whenever he was involved. Barry was a bit slow and leggy but every other outfield player played well.

Let's not forget that the Swiss barely condeded a goal in the qualifiers and during the last World Cup, broke a world record for the most minutes without conceding. they also the only team to have beaten Spain in the last 175 years, before the Argentines whacked 'em for 4.

We made a good side look very, very ordinary. But hey it's England, let's cain them

You're giving them far too much credit there. Switzerland may have fluked past Spain in the WC, but they then went on to lose to Chile and draw with Paraguay - not only that, they've only scored four goals in ten games, so it's obvious that their defensive frugality is their only trick. England did what was necessary to win, but even at 0-1 they still had a mental ten minutes when they could easily have conceded - which will always be the case as long as Johnson is in the back four.

We stuck 3 past them and could have had more.. Is that not a sign?

We're a top side, no doubt. But we don't have the mentality to do it when it counts. It's an English thing. Fear of failure. I blame Mars (bars), The Sun (paper), The Beeb and every fan who states "this is our year" convenienty over looking the fact that we're putting far too much pressure on a group of blokes

I think the whole thing (when the WC is taken into consideration) that our lot are nothing more than flat-track bullies - perfectly adept at turning over the likes of Bulgaria etc but then when it comes to sticking our heads out of the safety of our group (the friendlies against Spain and France) then we are shown that we are not good enough yet.

Should be interested when England face Argentina in that friendly, whenever it is.

[Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion]

I think the whole thing (when the WC is taken into consideration) that our lot are nothing more than flat-track bullies - perfectly adept at turning over the likes of Bulgaria etc but then when it comes to sticking our heads out of the safety of our group (the friendlies against Spain and France) then we are shown that we are not good enough yet.

Should be interested when England face Argentina in that friendly, whenever it is.

Yep! I agree but even friendles are not a good yardstick!

Having watched the last 3 games and carefully watched some Premier league games, its safe to say that when we get to the finals and find yet more minnows playing at their peak and the heavyweight sides who know how to play tournament football, we will probably come unstuck again.

Yes the two results so far are great. But I have learnt my lesson in trying to judge how we will do in finals by considering qualification form and friendles. Neither will replicate the pressure of tournament football.