Hicks and Gillette lose their case, but..............

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Post by jimbo » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:43 pm

thebish wrote:
jimbo wrote:They've been sold. Hopefully that's the stimulus to make them all shut up and stop bleating for a couple of weeks now.

as if!! 8)
Wonder what they'll turn their whining focus on next?

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Post by thebish » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:05 pm

jimbo wrote:
thebish wrote:
jimbo wrote:They've been sold. Hopefully that's the stimulus to make them all shut up and stop bleating for a couple of weeks now.

as if!! 8)
Wonder what they'll turn their whining focus on next?
the new owner?? I give it a week before they realise he is a businessman too!

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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:11 pm

thebish wrote:
jimbo wrote:
thebish wrote:
jimbo wrote:They've been sold. Hopefully that's the stimulus to make them all shut up and stop bleating for a couple of weeks now.

as if!! 8)
Wonder what they'll turn their whining focus on next?
the new owner?? I give it a week before they realise he is a businessman too!
It won't be long before the good folk of Liverpool and Manchester will start to use the term soccer.
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Post by seanworth » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:24 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:
thebish wrote:
jimbo wrote:
thebish wrote:
jimbo wrote:They've been sold. Hopefully that's the stimulus to make them all shut up and stop bleating for a couple of weeks now.

as if!! 8)
Wonder what they'll turn their whining focus on next?
the new owner?? I give it a week before they realise he is a businessman too!
It won't be long before the good folk of Liverpool and Manchester will start to use the term soccer.
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The whining will start very shortly. At least they shouldn't be any black arm bands on the pools arms this week.

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Post by William the White » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:06 pm

I suspect it isn't the end of episode 1 - unless something new has happened that I've missed... In the litigation world that is american jurisprudence, and two American nationals in dispute, potentially, I think H & G may not yet have finished... Not to mention the hedge fund that seemingly now owns nearly all the shares...

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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:52 pm

William the White wrote:I suspect it isn't the end of episode 1 - unless something new has happened that I've missed... In the litigation world that is american jurisprudence, and two American nationals in dispute, potentially, I think H & G may not yet have finished... Not to mention the hedge fund that seemingly now owns nearly all the shares...
Certainly owns all of Gillett's.
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Post by Prufrock » Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:06 am

H&G will sue, and lose. High court, self evidently rules here. Hopefully it will be bitter and disputed and they'll get relegated. All for the good of the game of course. GO DOWN.
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Post by CAPSLOCK » Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:04 am

Montreal Wanderer wrote:
William the White wrote:I suspect it isn't the end of episode 1 - unless something new has happened that I've missed... In the litigation world that is american jurisprudence, and two American nationals in dispute, potentially, I think H & G may not yet have finished... Not to mention the hedge fund that seemingly now owns nearly all the shares...
Certainly owns all of Gillett's.
So what have the new lot bought?
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Post by jimbo » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:07 am

If Liverpool let this drop then surely the rest of the football world need to stand up and show unity behind Mr Gillet for being swindled out of his football club? We must not let this lie quiet!

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Post by seanworth » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:00 am

Something sure stinks. Might be interesting when all the dust settles. Don't even understand the hedge fund.

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Post by William the White » Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:47 pm

CAPSLOCK wrote:
Montreal Wanderer wrote:
William the White wrote:I suspect it isn't the end of episode 1 - unless something new has happened that I've missed... In the litigation world that is american jurisprudence, and two American nationals in dispute, potentially, I think H & G may not yet have finished... Not to mention the hedge fund that seemingly now owns nearly all the shares...
Certainly owns all of Gillett's.
So what have the new lot bought?
Yep - it's weird to me! They bought 'the club' but not its shares??? :conf:

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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:39 pm

CAPSLOCK wrote:
Montreal Wanderer wrote:
William the White wrote:I suspect it isn't the end of episode 1 - unless something new has happened that I've missed... In the litigation world that is american jurisprudence, and two American nationals in dispute, potentially, I think H & G may not yet have finished... Not to mention the hedge fund that seemingly now owns nearly all the shares...
Certainly owns all of Gillett's.
So what have the new lot bought?
Presumably a controlling interest in the club - H&G still had their shares (less than 50% together), though G sold his to the hedge.
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Post by thebish » Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:46 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:
Montreal Wanderer wrote:
William the White wrote:I suspect it isn't the end of episode 1 - unless something new has happened that I've missed... In the litigation world that is american jurisprudence, and two American nationals in dispute, potentially, I think H & G may not yet have finished... Not to mention the hedge fund that seemingly now owns nearly all the shares...
Certainly owns all of Gillett's.
So what have the new lot bought?
Presumably a controlling interest in the club - H&G still had their shares (less than 50% together), though G sold his to the hedge.

...has he branched out from being in U2 then?

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Post by Harry Genshaw » Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:41 pm

I've read all the financial details a couple fo times and I'm still no nearer understanding it.

Saw the interview with Hicks on SSN yesterday and had to agree with his assessment of Benitez. They gave him loads of cash and he blew it taking them from 2nd to mid table in a season. That strikes me as accurate so I cant understand the support Benitez still gets from the fans.
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Post by Gravedigger » Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:25 pm

I'm still staggered to find someone can sell anything, despite what the owner says. Are we then to believe that H & G were not the actual owners? And if not, who were? With the RBS link I think it could be said that the British taxpayer owns Liverpool. 8)
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Post by bobo the clown » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:17 pm

Gravedigger wrote:I'm still staggered to find someone can sell anything, despite what the owner says. Are we then to believe that H & G were not the actual owners? And if not, who were? With the RBS link I think it could be said that the British taxpayer owns Liverpool. 8)
My view too. Whatever the rights or wrongs how it can be that the OWNERS can't dictate the make up of the Board and the Board can sell the club without permission of the OWNERS is beyond me.

Also, the prime requirement of a Board is to manage the business in the interests of the OWNERS.

There was a, potentially, better offer available and the Board still leant toward NESV. It would be most improper to suggest there were reasons for them to make this decision ... so I won't.

I did hear that, as part of the RBS loan last year, a term was that they had those 3 on the Board and that simple Board majority would suffice in making decisions. Therefore, to quote Hicks, it could be argued that it was an "Epic Swindle" from that day. RBS's hands, as well as the directors, will need to be bloody clean as H&G's lawyers start crawling over this.

This is certainly NOT all over, by some way.
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Post by bw@bw » Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:17 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
Gravedigger wrote:I'm still staggered to find someone can sell anything, despite what the owner says. Are we then to believe that H & G were not the actual owners? And if not, who were? With the RBS link I think it could be said that the British taxpayer owns Liverpool. 8)
My view too. Whatever the rights or wrongs how it can be that the OWNERS can't dictate the make up of the Board and the Board can sell the club without permission of the OWNERS is beyond me.

Also, the prime requirement of a Board is to manage the business in the interests of the OWNERS.

There was a, potentially, better offer available and the Board still leant toward NESV. It would be most improper to suggest there were reasons for them to make this decision ... so I won't.

I did hear that, as part of the RBS loan last year, a term was that they had those 3 on the Board and that simple Board majority would suffice in making decisions. Therefore, to quote Hicks, it could be argued that it was an "Epic Swindle" from that day. RBS's hands, as well as the directors, will need to be bloody clean as H&G's lawyers start crawling over this.

This is certainly NOT all over, by some way.

In essence it's like the Bank repossessing a house because the mortgage has not been paid.
Once they repossess it, they can sell it.
They are usually bound to take the best offer, not necessarily the Highest offer
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Post by bobo the clown » Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:48 pm

bw@bw wrote:In essence it's like the Bank repossessing a house because the mortgage has not been paid.
Once they repossess it, they can sell it.
They are usually bound to take the best offer, not necessarily the Highest offer
Fair enough, though I'm not sure that the bank can actively seek other buyers, at cut price, before you've actually defaulted.

Like it or not G&H had NOT defaulted at that point.

Also, despite the supposed deadline, it was clear that RBS would not have pulled the plug last week ... they knew that doing that would have reduced the sales valuation and thus their potential return.

Anyway, time will tell.
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