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Trotski · Post by **Trotski** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:58 pm

Disappointed with the linesman, happy with the point. We really should have lost this game, we were definately second best.

Surely it's time for Ricketts to get a run a right back, Steinsson looks a little out of it.

plymouth wanderer · Post by **plymouth wanderer** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:59 pm

holden was fantastic again mark davies defintley should of come on earlier for the moo

Devon White · Post by **Devon White** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:02 pm

Trotski wrote:Disappointed with the linesman, happy with the point. We really should have lost this game, we were definately second best.

Surely it's time for Ricketts to get a run a right back, Steinsson looks a little out of it.

i like steinsson but agree, i think we need a change and rickets deserves it, liked the spanish one and davies when they came on

Horza · Post by **Horza** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:03 pm

Taylor doesn't have the pace to play wide any more but his long passing is so nice it'd almost be worth playing him as a deep lying playmaker with Mavies and Holden in front.

CarlosHernandez · Post by **CarlosHernandez** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:08 pm

We were certainly over run for the majority, and were lucky they wasted some very good chances. Moreno looks lively, and does add some unpredictability. Happy with a point, because I'm sure Wigan would have wanted 3 from that performance. Jussi was on top form, and Holden's second and third effort tackles are remarkable.

Also, I was taking a piss when we scored. Standing there thinking "we'll probably score now, i hope not... actually, yeah i hope we do...scoring without me watching is better than not scoring at all", then just as I'm flushing I hear the celebrations. One of life's little moments that I thought I'd share.

CarlosHernandez · Post by **CarlosHernandez** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:10 pm

I thought Taylor certainly contributed plenty in his 20 or so minutes, a couple of lovely cross field balls, and almost had our goal himself. I think he's a great late sub for his free kicks alone... almost had 2 goals from them already this season from memory.

TANGODANCER · Post by **TANGODANCER** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:13 pm

For once my rose-tinters just weren't working at all. We don't do rub-of-the-green, never win bounce balls and have shxt luck with officials. Worst we've played for a while and Wigan opened us up like a tin of corned beef. Why our defence back off from ball players I'll never know. They did us for pace, skill and could have had three or four goals. Thank fxxk Jussi was on form. We created one really good chance and the linesman looked away and flagged offside for something not even half-and-half.

Petrov wants a wake-up call and Lee was inefective. Playing wing doesn't mean you have to run down the white lines all the time lads. Holden our best player, Davo getting fxxk all as usual, Elmander not on his game and Wigan operating the "if you feel a touch, go down" rule. We were second best all the second half and the Davies versus defenders fiasco is getting beyond a joke with refs. Every time one of theirs went down some soft-arse was hounding the ref and he has no balls anyway.

I was glad to hear the whistle and can count this as a lucky draw. What else is there to say?

FaninOz · Post by **FaninOz** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:16 pm

Lucky draw as Wigan had more than enough chances to sink us by a cricket score, they were very wasteful and even their goal was offside, twice!. Thought that they were the better team after the first 30mins or so when we looked good.

They have players with much better ball control than we do and also do it much faster. However the lads never seem to give up and got a scrappy goal, but they all count. Coyle's subs were well made and we did at least try to go for the win rather than shut up shop for a draw.

Ref had a good game for me but his linesmen were very poor making quite a few wrong calls, particularly for their goal and for a great cross ball to Moreno who was at least a yard onside when it was kicked.

But we raely do well at Wigan and another draw is better than a loss so it can't be all bad.

The defense was very shaky on a regular basis with Knight and Steinsson getting away with real schoolboy howlers, Cahill and Robinson made some very good last ditch tackles though.

Moreno looked very good and on that showing deserves a start next time out, and Petrov needs a rest.

Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:18 pm

We got away with it today. Robinson was terrible, and for a change Petrov was having a good game. Don't know why we bothered with Taylor.

On the plus side, Holden was immense again. And fair play to Elmander, he was awful all afternoon, but he scored. Could be on track for 15 goals. A point will do though, considering.

keveh · Post by **keveh** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:22 pm

FaninOz wrote:Moreno looked very good and on that showing deserves a start next time out, and Petrov needs a rest.

Moreno looked very good, definitely added something when he came on.

I also agree that Petrov needs a bit of a rest. I know that it's only a couple of games in to the season but you have to remember how little he has played in the last few years. His fitness will still be coming back.

As for Lee it's the opposite, he's probably played too much. He's gone from being one of our most influential players to having 50/50 games.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:25 pm

What game was lk watching? From the away end Petrov looked utterly wank. As did Lee. Overall poor and a lucky point. Taylor and Rodrigo both improved us for a spell though not hard to be better than lcy and Petrov!

KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab · Post by **KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:26 pm

I thought a draw was a fair result. Most of their chances were nowhere near clear cut, and Jussi wasn't stretched at any point.

We don't like the quick break.

We needed to calm down. Too many times our attacking players were looking to force a telling ball or turn. None more so than five seconds before their goal, where Davies was trying a wholly unecessary turn, mucking it up, and they broke. Yes, Di Santo was offside, but we couldn't cope with their movement there.

Howard Webb didn't give us a thing. None more so than when that walking disciplinary record Robinson was poleaxed off the ball when onto a Davies pass, and nothing was given. Or when Moreno (who looks a very good work-in-progress) was wrongly adjudged offside.

seanworth · Post by **seanworth** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:28 pm

Bit disappointing but still only one loss this season. Overall we tend to struggle against Wigan so feel a bit relieved to escape with a point.

Tombwfc · Post by **Tombwfc** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:06 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:What game was lk watching? From the away end Petrov looked utterly wank. As did Lee. Overall poor and a lucky point. Taylor and Rodrigo both improved us for a spell though not hard to be better than lcy and Petrov!

I would agree with that.

However, he was right about Elmander. He was shit, couldn't trap a ball to save his life, and then he scored. How times change?

Moreno has something about him. I wouldn't be starting him just yet, but he looks a good prospect.

CAPSLOCK · Post by **CAPSLOCK** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:13 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:What game was lk watching? From the away end Petrov looked utterly wank. As did Lee. Overall poor and a lucky point. Taylor and Rodrigo both improved us for a spell though not hard to be better than lcy and Petrov!

I believe he prepares his post match summations pre season and presses send at full time in each game

Tis so predictable

Truth is we're really not very good - decent point towards our survival, though

James B · Post by **James B** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:33 pm

a good first 20 minutes followed by a poor performance for the rest of the game. we had long spells of posession but never created much. some awful individual errors beset our performance today and wigan should have took advantage more often and won.

hisroyalgingerness · Post by **hisroyalgingerness** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:50 pm

Odd game really - we started stronger and had a good spell in the second half when we scored, and the game was quite even outside that. But we didn't create much for all our good play and possession, and there were plenty of mistakes which led to chances and bookings.

Jussi was on good form between the sticks, and needed to be. But his kicking today was awful, too many kicks went to Lee - the smallest player on the pitch.

Steinsson - am beginning to think Ricketts needs a chance over Steinsson now. He was poor in possession and really struggled to contain Nzogbia and co.

Fabrice started the game superb, and his energy and first time passes helped us keep pressure on Wigan and spread the play and him and Holden were running the midfield. After his tackle on McCarthy though he did go into his shell a bit, and we didn't regain the edge in midfield until late.

Davies again got nowt from the ref, who awful. And his partner played as if he'd already signed his deal. Elmander's first touch deserted him and was knocked off the ball far too often.

Disagree that the wingers were poor. Lee had a superb first half and was the most likely player on the team to create things. Some really good anticipation to steal the ball on several occasions. What they lack is some support. Time after time they get the ball, get crowded out and have nowhere to pass it to. It usually ends up back at Knight who creatively leathers it forward or chases it back to Jussi.

Their goal came about frankly because half our defensive unit had bookings and no bugger could commit to a tackle or foul to break the play up. We'd used up all our yellows performing similar "get me out of this mess" manoeuvres.

Top and tail, we'd have played better if Elmo could've controlled the ball better, if Fabrice had kept his engergy up and our defenders didn't get caught out of possession so often that we had to commit silly fouls.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:03 pm

hisroyalgingerness wrote: Disagree that the wingers were poor. Lee had a superb first half and was the most likely player on the team to create things. Some really good anticipation to steal the ball on several occasions. What they lack is some support. Time after time they get the ball, get crowded out and have nowhere to pass it to. It usually ends up back at Knight who creatively leathers it forward or chases it back to Jussi.

Can't agree at all. Petrov and Lee got a lot of the ball, did nowt with it but give it away. When did ONE of them run their full back, or even try? And their delivery was shocking.

I'm not having it about lack of support about three times in the first half Petrov had Robbo overlapping but ended up turning back into trouble or pumping pointless balls into the box.

Petrov is worse because as well as offering nowt going forwards, he's a liability in possession leaves us in trouble and doesn't help Robbo out much at all.

LCY seems to not want to take a player on. If you're playing 4-4-2 with two wingers you expect your wingers to get on the outside of the full back a few times. To top it off just before he was withdrawn Petrov was released and had time and space with no man on him and blazed his cross far to high and it went out of play. If you're carrying a player like him he has to produce in those situations if he doesn't he's not worth his place. And right now he's not.

We can keep playing him in the hope he comes good but I think we're going to struggle if we keep carrying him and Lee especially when as everyone rightly points out Davies and Elmander are as poor as they were today. Though Elmander scored so like Lee last week he gets a reprieve![/quote]

Athers · Post by **Athers** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:29 pm

Just looking at the Chalkboards for anything interesting...

Holden made 11 tackles successfully and 5 unsuccessfully today, that compares Muamba's 2 and 4 respectively.

Probably more than anyone else will make this weekend, really gets stuck in doesn't he.

James B · Post by **James B** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:32 pm

holden looks greats. him & muamba actually make this 4-4-2 work it seems. something i didn't think possible at the start of the season.

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