Shrek crosses his gaffer!

[Verbal]

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=a7trrvljnqei

Incredible.

[jaffka]

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=a7trrvljnqei

Incredible.

Is it the right link?

[FaninOz]

It was a sad day for football when United agreed to pay Rooney 250,000 /week or whatever it is. How can any footballer be said to be worth that when fans can't afford to get to games as it is, can't see the United fans liking it at all. There have been longstanding complaints about the prices at Old Trafford and this will only make it worse. There were no singing of Rooney's name by the United fans at Stoke, whilst other past names were sung out loud.

Also the blackmail used by this much overrated player, who went to sun himself in Dubai over the weekend, is most unsavoury. Finally a big loss of face by Ferguson that will only make the other players more unsettled as well, a sad day allround for me, even though I'm no fan of United and would love to see them relegated. Along with City and the Pool of course.

[seanworth]

It was a sad day for football when United agreed to pay Rooney 250,000 /week or whatever it is. How can any footballer be said to be worth that when fans can't afford to get to games as it is, can't see the United fans liking it at all. There have been longstanding complaints about the prices at Old Trafford and this will only make it worse. There were no singing of Rooney's name by the United fans at Stoke, whilst other past names were sung out loud.

Also the blackmail used by this much overrated player, who went to sun himself in Dubai over the weekend, is most unsavoury. Finally a big loss of face by Ferguson that will only make the other players more unsettled as well, a sad day allround for me, even though I'm no fan of United and would love to see them relegated. Along with City and the Pool of course.

I had heard his salary was around 160,000. Nothing is confirmed though and everything right now is pure speculation. I agree that salaries are a joke but it is not just Rooney's. I'm sure over the coming months we will discover the true motives behind Rooney's bizarre behaviour the past week. At present I don't buy into the loss of face for Fergusson. I would wait a few months before making such assumptions and lets see how things pan out.

[thebish]

It was a sad day for football when United agreed to pay Rooney 250,000 /week or whatever it is. How can any footballer be said to be worth that when fans can't afford to get to games as it is,

clearly we don't know - but I'd be surprised if it was £250,000 a week...

but - for the sake of argument - if you were the ManU paymaster - how much would you offer Rooney, Berbatov, Scholes, Giggs, Nani and co.?

how much is NOT outrageous?

[CAPSLOCK]

I wonder where FiO thinks the SKY money should go

The owners/board?

[BWFC_Insane]

It was a sad day for football when United agreed to pay Rooney 250,000 /week or whatever it is. How can any footballer be said to be worth that when fans can't afford to get to games as it is,

clearly we don't know - but I'd be surprised if it was £250,000 a week...

but - for the sake of argument - if you were the ManU paymaster - how much would you offer Rooney, Berbatov, Scholes, Giggs, Nani and co.?

how much is NOT outrageous?

How do you judge a worth of a player?

You surely can't apply market forces as its clear many top flight clubs don't run on sound business models.

So how do you judge it.

Relatively for example how much is Rooney worth compared to a Nurse or a teacher?

I don't know, just asking like...

[Lord Kangana]

Rooney's worth to yernited is the collective hides of the Glazers. If he'd gone, there position really would have become untenable. Whether it was shrek, his agent or rudolph who instigated this it doesn't matter. They understood they had the owners over a barrel.

[Tombwfc]

It was a sad day for football when United agreed to pay Rooney 250,000 /week or whatever it is. How can any footballer be said to be worth that when fans can't afford to get to games as it is,

clearly we don't know - but I'd be surprised if it was £250,000 a week...

but - for the sake of argument - if you were the ManU paymaster - how much would you offer Rooney, Berbatov, Scholes, Giggs, Nani and co.?

how much is NOT outrageous?

How do you judge a worth of a player?

You surely can't apply market forces as its clear many top flight clubs don't run on sound business models.

So how do you judge it.

Relatively for example how much is Rooney worth compared to a Nurse or a teacher?

I don't know, just asking like...

An individual nurse or teacher doesn't generate the kind of money that Wayne Rooney does. If his goals are keeping United in the CL and keeping fans turning up at Old Trafford, where else should that money go?

[boltonboris]

It was a sad day for football when United agreed to pay Rooney 250,000 /week or whatever it is. How can any footballer be said to be worth that when fans can't afford to get to games as it is,

clearly we don't know - but I'd be surprised if it was £250,000 a week...

but - for the sake of argument - if you were the ManU paymaster - how much would you offer Rooney, Berbatov, Scholes, Giggs, Nani and co.?

how much is NOT outrageous?

How do you judge a worth of a player?

You surely can't apply market forces as its clear many top flight clubs don't run on sound business models.

So how do you judge it.

Relatively for example how much is Rooney worth compared to a Nurse or a teacher?

I don't know, just asking like...

I bet you get paid more than a nurse.. Does anybody compare your worth to a Nurse? Does anybody have to? You're worth whatever somebody is willing to pay you

[thebish]

how much does a nurse get paid?

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

how much does a nurse get paid?

£25 for a soapy one where I go....

[BWFC_Insane]

It was a sad day for football when United agreed to pay Rooney 250,000 /week or whatever it is. How can any footballer be said to be worth that when fans can't afford to get to games as it is,

clearly we don't know - but I'd be surprised if it was £250,000 a week...

but - for the sake of argument - if you were the ManU paymaster - how much would you offer Rooney, Berbatov, Scholes, Giggs, Nani and co.?

how much is NOT outrageous?

How do you judge a worth of a player?

You surely can't apply market forces as its clear many top flight clubs don't run on sound business models.

So how do you judge it.

Relatively for example how much is Rooney worth compared to a Nurse or a teacher?

I don't know, just asking like...

I bet you get paid more than a nurse.. Does anybody compare your worth to a Nurse? Does anybody have to? You're worth whatever somebody is willing to pay you

My point being that the football market is so out of step with anything else, that its very hard to judge if someone is "worth what someone is willing to pay them".

Most professions are paid on a relative scale, so for example a surgeon earns more than a nurse based on the longer and more extensive training, the level of responsibility and risk and the pressures and demands of the job.

I think mostly people understand the scale and relative amounts.

Football doesn't operate like that. So judging worth is much harder imo.

Oh and to answer Toms point the amount Rooney generates is fair enough. But equally what about when he's not? And what about players paid 25-30K a week to never play? The likes of Shittu, Samuel spring to mind. How do their salaries translate?

[boltonboris]

My point being that the football market is so out of step with anything else, that its very hard to judge if someone is "worth what someone is willing to pay them".

Most professions are paid on a relative scale, so for example a surgeon earns more than a nurse based on the longer and more extensive training, the level of responsibility and risk and the pressures and demands of the job.

I think mostly people understand the scale and relative amounts.

Football doesn't operate like that. So judging worth is much harder imo.

The long and short of it is, that there's Billions of Pounds of money in football, all this comes in because people allover the world want watch the 22 players on the pitch at any time. They deserve the main share of the money that the sport generates.

..... In my humble opinion

[FaninOz]

I wonder where FiO thinks the SKY money should go

The owners/board?

For a start it could be used to keep entry fees down to a level which could "easily" be afforded by the average working person, which would significantly improve the gates at games. Isn't that what many on here have asked for!!

There is no way that any player is worth 100,000 or more / week, not even more than 20,000 in my humble opinion. 1mil/year is more than enough for anyone.

[FaninOz]

The long and short of it is, that there's Billions of Pounds of money in football, all this comes in because people allover the world want watch the 22 players on the pitch at any time. They deserve the main share of the money that the sport generates.

..... In my humble opinion

Can't agree. Yes there are billions but most of the money should go to making it a better sport, with better run Clubs, in better facilities and with more humble and respectful players. Rather than giving it all to money grabbing irresponsible players!

[Tombwfc]

I wonder where FiO thinks the SKY money should go

The owners/board?

For a start it could be used to keep entry fees down to a level which could "easily" be afforded by the average working person, which would significantly improve the gates at games. Isn't that what many on here have asked for!!

There is no way that any player is worth 100,000 or more / week, not even more than 20,000 in my humble opinion. 1mil/year is more than enough for anyone.

The prices are affordable in as much as millions of people can afford to go every week. When that stops happening, things will scale down (you could argue in some cases it already has, ours for example).

Boris is right, these are the stars of a multi-billion pound industry, why shouldn't they get the money?

[Lord Kangana]

The weight of debt that the average Premier League clubs carry says they are earning more than the clubs can afford. It may be a multi-billion pound industry, but outside cash has inflated wage demands beyond the money coming in through business alone.

[bw@bw]

Rooney's worth to yernited is the collective hides of the Glazers. If he'd gone, there position really would have become untenable. Whether it was shrek, his agent or rudolph who instigated this it doesn't matter. They understood they had the owners over a barrel.

My thoughts too.

And I would not be surprised if the Glazers decide that after a short but decent interval they would rather invest in something else in the good ol' USA.

Playing poker with Real, Barca and Abu Dhabi Blues could be a really high risk game, especially with Fergie getting ever nearer retirement.

And the examples of Hicks/Gillett may weigh on the mind.

[Prufrock]

Yet another thing that is fecking Maggie's fault. It's got so bad with this 'the markets are always right' bollocks. It cannot be fair that a footballer earns ten times the average national yearly wage in a week, and some. The obvious question then is, 'what do you do?', and I must admit I haven't a fecking clue. It does piss me off that it is a stick used to beat the players with though. It isn't their fault. That money is there, and they are in a position to get it, of course they will. The system is the problem.

To say they deserve it because they generate it isn't true though either is it? They don't. Footballers of similar ability over the last hundred or so years have been paid far less relatively. The thing that has changed is the marketing and the TV, so surely by that logic they deserve all the money?

Because the markets say so is not good enough. Markets have no ethics, and no morals. In reality, the people whose fault it is is probably those daft enough to still buy tickets or pay for Sky. Only guilty of one your honour.