Bolton v Liverpool Match Thread

[Worthy4England]

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My mostly rubbish perspective on the game.

Is that:

My mostly rubbish perspective on the game?

or

My perspective on a mostly rubbish game?

Not at our best, so inclined to agree with Brucie on "taking positives". That said, I don't yet feel the levels of despair that were beginning to creep in this time last year. So I'll stick with what we have and remain positive overall.

[Hoboh]

http://www.the-wanderer.co.uk/bolton/Th ... eaping-928

My mostly rubbish perspective on the game.

Is that:

My mostly rubbish perspective on the game?

or

My perspective on a mostly rubbish game?

Not at our best, so inclined to agree with Brucie on "taking positives". That said, I don't yet feel the levels of despair that were beginning to creep in this time last year. So I'll stick with what we have and remain positive overall.

Bad day at the office thats how I'll leave this one, if it gets repeated too often Istart the bring back Megson campaign

(btw that WAS a joke)

[William the White]

Enjoyable - and sane - report, rats.

[hisroyalgingerness]

midnitefooty's called it - it is more frustration than negativity. The fact that the performance was so far below our own standards against that Liverpool side makes it even more annoying that we got beat. If we'd have played like we did against say Man Utd when we did well to get that draw then we'd have blown them away.

More to the point, play like that against Spurs and we'll lose 4-0.

[thebish]

midnitefooty's called it - it is more frustration than negativity. The fact that the performance was so far below our own standards against that Liverpool side makes it even more annoying that we got beat. If we'd have played like we did against say Man Utd when we did well to get that draw then we'd have blown them away.

More to the point, play like that against Spurs and we'll lose 4-0.

Indeed - but surely it is in order to ciriticise the team when they play so obviously below par - I want them to play consistently to their highest standard, they are capable of a MUCH better performance that that - we know that, they know that. Is playing at home against a beatable Liverpool to move up to 5th not incentive enough?

[BWFC_Insane]

midnitefooty's called it - it is more frustration than negativity. The fact that the performance was so far below our own standards against that Liverpool side makes it even more annoying that we got beat. If we'd have played like we did against say Man Utd when we did well to get that draw then we'd have blown them away.

More to the point, play like that against Spurs and we'll lose 4-0.

Yes but Liverpool did far more to counter our attacking play than Man Utd did and I'd suggest than Spurs will.

They played more like a classic away side, trying to perform a "smash and grab" and I suppose with the quality they have up front (once that clicks into gear) IF they are solid like they were they'll be tough to beat.

Spurs will offer far more going forwards and that would be my main worry playing them, can we contain them.

[ratbert]

http://www.the-wanderer.co.uk/bolton/Th ... eaping-928

My mostly rubbish perspective on the game.

Is that:

My mostly rubbish perspective on the game?

or

My perspective on a mostly rubbish game?

Not at our best, so inclined to agree with Brucie on "taking positives". That said, I don't yet feel the levels of despair that were beginning to creep in this time last year. So I'll stick with what we have and remain positive overall.

You can have it both ways. Written in a rush!

[Worthy4England]

http://www.the-wanderer.co.uk/bolton/Th ... eaping-928

My mostly rubbish perspective on the game.

Is that:

My mostly rubbish perspective on the game?

or

My perspective on a mostly rubbish game?

Not at our best, so inclined to agree with Brucie on "taking positives". That said, I don't yet feel the levels of despair that were beginning to creep in this time last year. So I'll stick with what we have and remain positive overall.

You can have it both ways. Written in a rush!

I think it was probaly the latter then

[hisroyalgingerness]

midnitefooty's called it - it is more frustration than negativity. The fact that the performance was so far below our own standards against that Liverpool side makes it even more annoying that we got beat. If we'd have played like we did against say Man Utd when we did well to get that draw then we'd have blown them away.

More to the point, play like that against Spurs and we'll lose 4-0.

Yes but Liverpool did far more to counter our attacking play than Man Utd did and I'd suggest than Spurs will.

They played more like a classic away side, trying to perform a "smash and grab" and I suppose with the quality they have up front (once that clicks into gear) IF they are solid like they were they'll be tough to beat.

Spurs will offer far more going forwards and that would be my main worry playing them, can we contain them.

Lucas did a top job in the middle, but that aside I'm not giving any credit to Liverpool. They didn't pressure Jussi to boot the ball out of play time and time again, they didn't need to put pressure on Zat for him to just leather it aimlessly forward and they didn't need to defend any of our crosses as they either went out of play or into the keepers arms. That's all our own doing.

I think your comments do Man Utds midfield a slight disservice too, but I do take the point that we played a very unadventurous Liverpool side. So unadventurous that they had 60% of possession at our patch

[thebish]

midnitefooty's called it - it is more frustration than negativity. The fact that the performance was so far below our own standards against that Liverpool side makes it even more annoying that we got beat. If we'd have played like we did against say Man Utd when we did well to get that draw then we'd have blown them away.

More to the point, play like that against Spurs and we'll lose 4-0.

Yes but Liverpool did far more to counter our attacking play than Man Utd did and I'd suggest than Spurs will.

They played more like a classic away side, trying to perform a "smash and grab" and I suppose with the quality they have up front (once that clicks into gear) IF they are solid like they were they'll be tough to beat.

Spurs will offer far more going forwards and that would be my main worry playing them, can we contain them.

Lucas did a top job in the middle, but that aside I'm not giving any credit to Liverpool. They didn't pressure Jussi to boot the ball out of play time and time again, they didn't need to put pressure on Zat for him to just leather it aimlessly forward and they didn't need to defend any of our crosses as they either went out of play or into the keepers arms. That's all our own doing.

I think your comments do Man Utds midfield a slight disservice too, but I do take the point that we played a very unadventurous Liverpool side. So unadventurous that they had 60% of possession at our patch

hang on...

blurred wrote: Did Jussi replace his usual Toblerone-shaped boots with normal ones? Hardly a misplaced kick from him. Most unusual.

HRG wrote: They didn't pressure Jussi to boot the ball out of play time and time again - That's all our own doing.


who's right?

[hisroyalgingerness]

Me, a million times over.



They either went out of play or to Chung-Yong Lee. Unless it's our new tactic to kick it to the smallest person on the pitch

[Tombwfc]

Blurred is right about Davies. Love the man, but I cringe every time I hear him talk about how he'd never dive. I don't even mind him doing it if it works, but there's no need for the pretense.

Similar could be said of the entire Reebok though. Half the time is devoted to slagging off an opposition player for being a wimp and going down too easily, the other half is spent slagging off the referee for not giving a penalty when Lee gets knocked over in the box by a light breeze.

[William the White]

Blurred is right about Davies. Love the man, but I cringe every time I hear him talk about how he'd never dive. I don't even mind him doing it if it works, but there's no need for the pretense.

Similar could be said of the entire Reebok though. Half the time is devoted to slagging off an opposition player for being a wimp and going down too easily, the other half is spent slagging off the referee for not giving a penalty when Lee gets knocked over in the box by a light breeze.

Do football supporters need more than one eye? I never knew...

[thebish]

Blurred is right about Davies. Love the man, but I cringe every time I hear him talk about how he'd never dive. I don't even mind him doing it if it works, but there's no need for the pretense.

Similar could be said of the entire Reebok though. Half the time is devoted to slagging off an opposition player for being a wimp and going down too easily, the other half is spent slagging off the referee for not giving a penalty when Lee gets knocked over in the box by a light breeze.

Do football supporters need more than one eye? I never knew...

[as]

Blurred is right about Davies. Love the man, but I cringe every time I hear him talk about how he'd never dive. I don't even mind him doing it if it works, but there's no need for the pretense.

Similar could be said of the entire Reebok though. Half the time is devoted to slagging off an opposition player for being a wimp and going down too easily, the other half is spent slagging off the referee for not giving a penalty when Lee gets knocked over in the box by a light breeze.

I can't take the scousers comments seriously, considering they worship Stevie 'watch me win this dodgy free-kick' Gerrard, and get all hysterical when you mention it.

To be honest, I thought it was very clever from SKD, if Taylor had have been on form we'd have scored a few of those free kicks.

[Prufrock]

Twere a poor game, decided by a moment of class from a player who was generally poor, and woefully short of confidence, but showed signs that the old Torres is still there. Gerrard was really poor, two chances at 20 yards that you just assume are going in that were terrible. We didn't play well, they didn't play well. We should have had at least on penalty, and whilst (and a few years ago I never thought I'd type this) Davo went down easily, Kyrgiakos turned away and stuck his shoulder in, so I think two. Lucas, still shit, sorry, but his first thought when he picks the ball up is, 'Can I pass it to Reina?'. Cahill and Jussi, harsh to blame them. Both 'could' have stopped it rather than 'should' have. Cahill wasn't even that tight, was just a brilliant flick, and a tough one for Jussi. Two average teams, average game, decided by a good goal. Frustrating, but not the end of the world.

[norm the jedi]

I've nearly calmed down now..
A very disappointing showing all round really.. a draw would probably have been the fair result..
Handball defo pen - Kyriacos on Davo seen them given ... [See Davo V Brum]
but we looked pretty short of the creativity that our new approach play needs to unlock a defence with something sharp and precise
rather than the battering ram approach of old..
A couple of big disappointments for me CYL seemed to slow the ball down everytime he got it .. and I love Muamba as a destroyer and spoiler but yesterday was the poorest I've ever seen him when he was in possession, Holden buzzes around and was probably my man of the match but owe for a John Sheridan or a Zico Kelly to pick a pass and create something of quality..
To see the bin dippers at the end celebrating like they'd won the champions league and dole had been increased by 300% all on the same day made me sick last night but on reflection it probably adequately demonstrates how far the once mighty have fallen.. rather than being too much of an indication on how high we've climbed.

and for what it's worth having played in nets for 30 odd seasons I'd be pretty disappointed if I'd let that one in yesterday, by no means a howler but at 20k a week you'd back yerself to do better imv.. with a shot pretty much straight in the fighting arc.. just sayin like

[hisroyalgingerness]

Blurred is right about Davies. Love the man, but I cringe every time I hear him talk about how he'd never dive. I don't even mind him doing it if it works, but there's no need for the pretense.

Similar could be said of the entire Reebok though. Half the time is devoted to slagging off an opposition player for being a wimp and going down too easily, the other half is spent slagging off the referee for not giving a penalty when Lee gets knocked over in the box by a light breeze.

It's no surprise after all these years - the precedent has been set and the divers always win.

See also Diouf, El-Hadji

[norm the jedi]

Blurred is right about Davies. Love the man, but I cringe every time I hear him talk about how he'd never dive. I don't even mind him doing it if it works, but there's no need for the pretense.

Similar could be said of the entire Reebok though. Half the time is devoted to slagging off an opposition player for being a wimp and going down too easily, the other half is spent slagging off the referee for not giving a penalty when Lee gets knocked over in the box by a light breeze.

It's no surprise after all these years - the precedent has been set and the divers always win.

See also Diouf, El-Hadji

I think there's a difference between going down under minimal albeit illegal contact and blatantly diving [sorry simulating] or tripping yourself up with the Frannie Lee self service ankle tap, Davo got a Greek shoulder between his own yesterday afternoon off Kyriarcos who still couldn't tell you where the ball was this morning, it may not have been bone jarring but it was a fairly healthy shove enough against Brum and probably enough at Stretford, Kop, Shed and Clock ends..

[Tombwfc]

Blurred is right about Davies. Love the man, but I cringe every time I hear him talk about how he'd never dive. I don't even mind him doing it if it works, but there's no need for the pretense.

Similar could be said of the entire Reebok though. Half the time is devoted to slagging off an opposition player for being a wimp and going down too easily, the other half is spent slagging off the referee for not giving a penalty when Lee gets knocked over in the box by a light breeze.

It's no surprise after all these years - the precedent has been set and the divers always win.

See also Diouf, El-Hadji

That's fine, and like I said I don't really care about him doing it. Good for him if it wins a free-kick from it.

However, if you're coming out with stuff like this....

Kevin Davies has spoken out about players diving, reserving his most severe criticism for Chelsea`s Didier Drogba.

'If I'm watching on television I shout at the screen. Someone his size, his strength, I just don't understand it,` he told the Independent. Davies also commented on his own refusal to indulge in such tactics.

'I find it embarrassing. Unmanly,` he declared.

..... then you leave yourself open to looking silly. Stevie G-esque.
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